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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:38 AM
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Should Kerry wait to "Weld" Bush until the last debate?
Clearly since there is a foreign policy, domestic policy and town hall debate Kerry needs to do well in all of them. The thing I worry about is that if Kerry has some "zingers" in his holster and uses them too soon BC04 could cancel the rest of the debates, pull out Bin Laden or worse. So, although Kerry needs to do well...should he "sandbag" Bush a little?
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:39 AM
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1. The 1st debate has the largest audience. He's gotta do well on this
one, most of all.
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:43 PM
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21. Kerry has to unhinge Smirk in the first debate
And we all know this is possible because Smirk, though his handlers do a good job at helping him hide it, really is a mental basket case. How many times have we watched Smirk meltdown and/or thrown a fit during a press conference or TV interview? Remember the last press conference when Bubble Boy just started babbling incoherently as Condi Rice looked on in horror?

This always happens when someone throws him a question or challenge his handlers did not prepare him for. Soooo....therein lies the key for Kerry. What to say to or about Bush that A) destroys his lies and B) leaves him to ad lib a defense he has no answer for.

There are certain lines of attack I can think of that could do great damage to the Smirk.

One is for Kerry to skewer Smirk over his lack of Border Protection during a Time of War which allows, according to Time Magazine, the influx of 3 million undocumented immigrants illegal entry into the U.S. every year. This TOTALLY blows away and discredits Smirk's claims that his highest priority is to protect the American People from Terrorism as Terrorists clearly can (and are) mixing in with the immigrants coming into America.

I know, I know. This is not a popular subject with many democrats, but let me assure you it is a "hot button" issue with millions of republicans and independents that are raging mad at Smirk because of his Open Border policies and are a hair trigger away from not voting for him. And as, a life long Republican--up until recently--I have a good feel for what concerns Republicans and independents.

If Kerry comes out for strong, REAL border enforcement I'll tell ya all right now, he's going to pick up support from the so-called Security Moms who labor under the false notion that Smirk is protecting them and hundreds of thousands of disgusted republicans/independents that want this issue addressed.

And Smirk NEVER handles this issue well. How can he? I mean how can he spin that he is protecting the borders when it's a documented fact that the borders of America are open and violated every day by thousands?

Getting this issue out on the table will greatly weaken Smirk's Security advantage over Kerry and expose him for the liar he is. It will also, in my opinion, throw him completely off track and vulnerable to other challenging questions about his poor stewardship of the country.

Further, I suspect Smirk's handlers have not coached him on this because Kerry has (unfortunately) not made it an issue. But it is an issue that resonates with millions of Americans and a ready made sledgehammer to smash down Smirk's illusion that he is doing a great job in securing America from further Terrorism.

Like I said, many of you may not like this line of attack but IT WILL WORK. And it will get the Fraud from Crawford reeling Big Time.

My only question is how can Kerry work this into the Non-Debate, Debate format that Smirk has constructed to avoid precisely these kinds challenges. Seems that Kerry would have to bring this up at the first question that somewhat relates to Border Security.

I've brought this up before on DU with little response. I think many forget that the "Primary Objective" of this campaign is to beat Smirk and to demonstrate the same "Killer Instinct" Smirk has shown he has.

Time to go for the throat.







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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:39 AM
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2. Hell no. There is only one debate.
If Bush wins this one there will be no more debates.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:40 AM
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3. perhaps, but
this first debate could be the last.


never trust bushco.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:41 AM
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4. All 3!
He should bust his ass in all 3 debates. If Bush pulls out of the debates, he'll only look like the cowardly little fuck that he is. . .
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:57 PM
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24. That's the strategy I like ...
Hammer the little twit at every turn. Expose dimwit W for the stupid coward he is.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:41 AM
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5. LOL.
:hi:

"Weld Bush"

I just hope Bush doesn't "Richards" Kerry. :P

I'm optimistic of course.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:41 AM
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6. No. If he's going to attack, the first one is most important.
Sets the tone for the spin, and is seen by most people.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:41 AM
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7. No.
The first debate is the most watched debate. If he's going to hit Bush (figuratively?), Kerry needs to do it Thursday night.
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BobF Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:42 AM
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8. Hit him hard on #1!
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 11:43 AM by BobF
Harder on #2

Harder yet on #3.

The time for the 'subtle rebuttle' is over.

I expect nothing less in Debate #1 than the anguished screams of a wounded chimp!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:09 PM
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18. Point to him -"THAT MAN is destroying everything decent and good
this country has ever stood for!" - THAT MAN!!!

Use that phrase over and over - never call him mister president. Keep pointing at him. Attack his record and incompetence and never let up!!
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camaro69 Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:43 AM
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9. Beat * at his own game
Come out with both barrels blazing. This might be his only shot. If he doesn't * and the MSM will call him soft or intimidated.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:44 AM
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10. No, the first debate is the one where you make your move.
Plus, he can crush Bush* just on foreign policy and save all of the great stuff on domestic policy for the last debate--if it happens.

Kerry has plenty of ammunition. He should use all he needs Thursday. He'll still have more than enough left in the arsenal.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:44 AM
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11. seeing the debate between him and weld...
or one of them...I was shocked at Kerry..he was sharp, tough, and sounded to the point...

I think the prosecuter in him really is an asset in this type of event...

he is going to do well...I know he will...I think those that are not sure about Kerry will see with their own eyes what we know...and have known for a while..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:44 AM
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12. If Kerry nails it on the first debate, they will not need another!
Shrub and co will run scared and cancle the rest.
Maybe they would even cancle the VP debate.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:45 AM
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13. NO. It's all about tomorrow night.
Ratings tend to drop off for the second and third debates; Kerry has to step up NOW.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:48 AM
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14. As far as pulling out Bin Laden, or cancelling the elections,
Bush the evil emperor could do it right on November 2nd. No need for Kerry to wait to the last minute to "Weld" bush. Bush will do what he will do at whatever time he wants to do it.

They talk about civil war in Iraq ... we, here, might be poised for a civil war of our own precipitated by the evil emperor's not wanting to let go of his power grab. :)
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:03 PM
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15. He's got to be consistent in all 3. Al Gore changed his style in his
debates and was criticized for doing so.

Kerry must be the same in his - steady, even keel and on course all the way.

He has an unwavering vision for America's bright future and NOTHING will make him deviate from that path.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:04 PM
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16. no, the first debate is the most watched one
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:04 PM
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17. *ahem* Apparently the odds are good this will be the only debate
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:22 PM
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19. Absentee Voters Will Have Voted By Then
KILL him...TONIGHT, GLOVES OFF BABY...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:23 PM
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20. No. The first debate is the most-watched debate.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:46 PM
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22. No. Waste no opportunity. Hit first, hit hard, and hit often.
:kick:
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:51 PM
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23. Gotcha all, thanks.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:58 PM
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25. NO! Do it in the first debate

He should be merciless in the first debate. Screw the rules. Give the viewers what they want! Let the blood run red in the aisles.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:10 PM
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26. NO! The first debate sets the tone for the rest of them
Kerry has to do his absolute best with this one.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:23 PM
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27. he should annihilate bush whenever he can then wash his weapons in the sea
no prisoners, no quarter given. attack bush as the lying mother fucker he is.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:24 PM
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28. Haven't they signed a contract of sorts to prevent that?
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