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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:10 PM
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Hardball "Panel" in Full White House Spin Mode
These people are fucking shameless. This is a warm-up for the post-debate "analysis."

Kerry "the verbose stiff" has already lost the debates, and they haven't even happened yet.

I want to strangle these people.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:11 PM
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1. follow the money
only trilliosn in front of Congress

They don't want the democrats there
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:28 PM
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9. Email Hardball: hardball@msnbc.com
hardball@msnbc.com
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:13 PM
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2. They are fucking insane. Why is the only burden on Kerry to explain his
positions? Are they just giving Bush a free pass? HE is the one who has been Pres. for the last 4 years. He is the one who has fucked up, but no pressure on him. It's all about Kerry and how unclear he is.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:15 PM
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4. You are exactly right
The burden lies only with Kerry with these GOP hacks. God, this is just beyond belief!!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:15 PM
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5. Thats the way it works for corporate media
they let off of him after 9/11, like 9/11 only happened to him right? So they have never fuilly settled into actually hardballing him. If this was a democrat of course they would be browbeating him, just like they are doing to Kerry.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:14 PM
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3. Yup, the whores have got it together tonight!
It seems they want these "debates" to be a war of the sound bites. Who cares about issues, we want sound bites! Andrea Mitchell is in full blast mode against Kerry. The only positive thing I've seen/heard about Kerry are the signs in the background.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:33 PM
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11. That ugly bitch!


The nerve of her! She can take that ugly husband of hers and get out of our faces!

They are absolute whores with no shame.

I usually stay positive (ha) but this really steams me.

There has not been one truthful person on any station except for Jon Stewart, in three weeks.

They literally killed Dan Rather and praise Tweety and Roert Novak, the criminal.

Something has got to give folks.

My grandmother always said,"Honey, God don't like ugly!"

I believe it but it can't come fast enough for me.

The Democrats deserve a break!
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OutInTheBack40 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:36 PM
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22. one truthful person on any station except for Jon Stewart, in three weeks.
Not true. Dan Rather tried his best to give bush his TNAG due and has refrained from hitting Kerry with any negative waves. Why not give Rather credit for trying to help Kerry? He deserves it and more.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:41 PM
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26. Bullshit
Rather killed a story about the forged documents that were used to make the case for war in Iraq. He is in full kowtow, just like the rest of the right-wing media spin machine.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:19 PM
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6. No doubt. "Kerry MUST TALK IN SOUND BITES"
"If he can't do that, he's lost. And I don't think he can."

- a not so loose quote from andrea mitchell.

Yep - our future will be enrtrusted to one of these two men, one of which has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, and at least over a thousand of our own people via a war he LIED us into - and we are being told tonight that it all boils down to whether Kerry can talk in sound bites.

And she tops that off with, "and I don' think he can."

what crap.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:23 PM
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8. I saw her say that....
and I swear my blood pressure spiked about twenty points.

I assume you know that she is married to Allan Greenspan, high-priest of Reaganomics and Randian selfishness as virtue.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:32 PM
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10. I used to have respect for Andrea Mitchell. Not anymore.
This is a Kerry crucifixion. They will be calling the election tomorrow night if Kerry has one flub.
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hoi polloi Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:45 PM
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15. It's all on Kerry now
The networks have put it all on Kerry instead of on the flibbertigibbet Bush. Why don't they put the onus on Bush for a farrago of errors?
It was frustrating to tune into to Hardball tonight. I felt the program (I changed station) left the responsibility on Kerry to make the moves in the upcoming debate that would make him the right candidate. It is a shame on our country that no major network is independent and puts the onus on both candidates, instead of making sure that one (in this case the weak incompetent one is protected).
I believe it was Paul Krugman of the New York Times that said the cable networks have already decided the winner of the debate. Nonetheless, the cable networks have already decided. Watch tomorrow night the after debate analysis by the pundits. I would predict that the networks, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, will declare Bush the winner.
"If it were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George Bush.
Well, we are getting closer to that in our America. Don't believe it can't happen here!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:19 PM
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20. And if he does, they'll say he wasn't substantive
or detailed, didn't offer anything new, didn't present a convincing plan, didn't distinguish himself from Chimp, wasn't detailed, yadda yadda yadda....
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:22 PM
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7. Tweety says, "Why is Bush always laughing...
and Kerry is always looking concerned." Tad Devine says, "That's not what I see -- Bush won't be laughing after Nov. 2nd."

Now Tweety's knocking Edwards, saying "where is he?"

I need a break.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:33 PM
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12. That's why I no longer watch those f'n losers!
It's a dirty job and I'm glad there are some who do and report the garbage back.

Thanks, :yourock:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:34 PM
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13. They just came back from commercial with a BUSH CHANT- CHEERLEADERS
FUCK THEM.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:43 PM
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14. UNDERSTAND----nobody watches him. Really they don't
and I'm one less who gave him up months ago because he is not even a good poltiical analyst...your cat is better...really...he's just a Jerry Springer poltical version. Everyone who watches has their mind made up already and they just like to make you go nutso. All other people--trust me--are watching some other mindless TV entertainment right now. So they sway squat. In fact, look more for what the 3 networks say after the debates. In fact, most people won't even stay tuned for that. WE nutcase political junkies will...but not the others. They will listen to all or part of the debates and switch off. Calm down.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:52 PM
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16. I know, I know
News ratings--especially cable--are the lowest of the low.

Thanks for that reality check.

I'm going to give myself an ulcer!
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:07 PM
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17. This is the email I sent
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 09:08 PM by Big Blue Marble
I listened to the first five minutes of your coverage tonight. Long enough to see that you and your guests agreed that even if Kerry were perfect, he is going to lose the debate. As Andrea M. so disgustingly said if GWB doesn't swallow his tongue, he will win the debate. Then everybody went on to tell us how JFK was going to have to be perfect just to be acceptable on the same stage with B. The Newsweak (intentional misspelling) editor made the inane comment that good sound bites are an indication of good leadership. Gawd help us. I have lived in this country for over sixty years and I never knew that leadership was based on sound bites. Of course, we were told that Kerry just was inept when it came to sound bites.

In no way was anything on that show journalism or analysis, As always, we were subjected to a Bushfest/ Kerrybash. It is about all that is available these day on what is called "cable news." No thanks, I am turning off the TV (with the exception of Keith Oberman.) I get my news, views, and info from the Internet as many I know are these days. I am sure your advertisers are non too happy to know that. Of course, you will keep your republican voters, i.e. those few who are not glued to Fox.

edited for syntext.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:17 PM
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19. Excellent email!
Great job, Big Blue!
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:21 PM
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21. "good sound bites are an indication of good leadership"
Oh good lord, this is insanity on a mass scale, the BushCo radicals have inundated, invaded and infiltrated our media.

The spin is totally out of control.

Their silence will only come ( temporarily ) with a Kerry win.
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:14 PM
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18. TV News is UNWATCHABLE these days....
the droning, the spin, the BS, ...it is putrid.....
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:36 PM
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23. i hear the ratings on this show suck
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:38 PM
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24. It was painful at first
but I gave up on cable "news" programs. They are so blatantly pro shrub that it's sickening. I feel a lot better now that I don't watch them. Andrea Mitchell should be ashamed of herself. DUers, don't believe the hype. The media is not going to let Kerry win the debates. Just continue to be free thinkers and encourage others to do the same. I'm sick of all of them. They make me SICK!:puke:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:03 PM
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28. I haven't watched cable news for a month now. Man I'm happy AND
productive too. I don't miss the almost bizzare rush to kiss Dumbya's ass so he will not shut them down when he is reelected. Man, are they in for a surprize!!
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GimmeDANEger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:38 PM
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25. Scarborough came up with a brilliant strategy...
Kerry mentions the questions he WOULD ask Bush but then says he cannot ask them because Bush had him sign agreeing to avoid doing so.


This gets the questions out without breaking rules
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:10 PM
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29. Just saw that,
for many good reasons most DU'ers don't like Joey, but I give him credit for at least trying to walk on the other side of the street from time to time, unlike most RW'ers.

He often comes up with more ammunition for our side than the usual "token Lib" on the show.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:48 PM
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27. You can always separate the hoes from the reporters during crunch time
On slow news days, when nothing's at stake they pretend to be journalists but on big days--debates, conventions, major speeches, election days--they just spin spin spin like the two dollar whores they were born to be.
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