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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:30 PM
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"Fact checking Bush" (Liar, liar, pants on fire!) - Excellent read!
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 10:48 PM by plastic_turkeys
Fact-checking Bush, by Tim Grieve

Since the media has failed to call the president on his lies and flip-flops, Kerry must do the job in the debate.

Four years ago, the press excoriated Al Gore for supposedly stretching the truth in his first debate with George W. Bush. Voters who actually watched that debate thought Gore had gotten the best of his opponent. But in the days that followed, the media, buying into the Republican story line on Gore's supposed mendacity, told them they were wrong. Bush had won the debate by defying the low expectations that had been set for him. Gore had lost it by stumbling over the facts -- sort of -- on a couple of inconsequential anecdotes about which FEMA official joined him on a tour of a disaster area and whether a school-girl in Florida had a desk.

As president and as a candidate, Bush has been known to mangle facts big and small -- but he most likely won't get Gored at the first debate here tonight, as he hasn't yet in the 2004 campaign.

......One morning in May, Bush said: "I clearly remember a guy in a hard hat" who said, "'Don't let me down.'" Later that same day, Bush said: "I'll never forget the firefighter that pointed at me and said, 'Don't let me down.'" By June, the "guy" had become a whole group of "tired firefighters and police and rescue workers" who said, "'Don't let us down.'" By July, the "guy" was just a guy again, but Bush couldn't remember which kind: "I remember a fireman or a policeman, I can't remember which one, looking me in the eyes and saying, 'Do not let me down.'"

And it kept getting better. In early August, Bush said: "I don't know if he was a firefighter or a policeman -- I do know that he was looking through the rubble for one of his buddies." A week after that, Bush said the guy had been searching for "a loved one." One day later, he had been searching for "somebody that he worked with." And the day after that, he was searching for a "buddy" again, but this time he said: "Mr. President, do not let me down." Two weeks later, Bush had him saying, "You don't let me down." And on Sept. 14, 2004 -- the third anniversary of the president's visit to ground zero -- Bush offered up his most vivid memory yet. "I remember a guy grabbed me the arm, a big old burly firefighter, I guess he was a firefighter, he said: 'Do not let me down.'"

It was, the president said, "a day I'll never forget."

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/30/debate/index_np.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:31 PM
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:39 PM
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3. He didn't mix them up. He made up the whole thing....
There's 5 pages of the article if you want to dig further. How about "the Taliban is no longer in existence" for starters?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:08 PM
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7. hello?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:42 AM
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8. hehehe buhbye
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:36 PM
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2. No Bush "Free Passes" this time around!!!
BTW - I have this doll in my office:

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:42 PM
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4. Great lil doll there! nt
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:45 PM
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5. Great link!
But there are signs that the media may be turning the corner on this. In recent days, the San Francisco Chronicle and Knight-Ridder have each run stories explaining that, the flip-flopper label notwithstanding, Kerry really always has had one consistent view on Iraq: He has always maintained that he was right to vote in October 2002 to give Bush authority to go to war, and he has always said that Bush should have moved more slowly, building a coalition and giving inspections time to work before invading. And reporters seem increasingly comfortable pointing out that Bush has flip-flopped, too. CBS News has listed Bush's Top 10 flip-flops, and on CNN Tuesday night, Paula Zahn raised Bush's flip-flops on the creation of a Homeland Security Department and the creation of the 9/11 commission, forcing John McCain to concede that all politicians are sometimes "plagued" by evolving positions.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:49 PM
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6. I'm printing some copies for the "undecided" neighbors
They hated Gore for "stretching the truth", wait till they get a load of these lies in one handy-dandy article.
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:48 AM
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10. Wasn't that superb?
And how about the Daily Show ending? I never thought I'd see something anywhere near that slanted against Bush. She humiliated him on prime time CNN. Kudos to her.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:28 AM
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9. Good read, now what we need to do...
...is make sure we chronicle every lie and infactual statement that comes out of Bush's mouth in that debate, and then blast them to the media immediately following it ALONG with a reminder of what the coverage of Gore was like in 2000... and then challenge them to apply the same standard here.

I'm going to be taking notes every time Bush opens his mouth.

-Grant
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