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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:04 AM
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Free Republic Thread: 'th' Typewriter Found - Report Release Plan
Hey guys, I don't know if the Democratic Underground Internet Search and Expose Team are on to this or not, but here is what is posted up at Free Republic Tonight:

Rather Forgery Update: Hailey typewriter, Killian's secretary "th" found, Report release plan.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1230912/posts

Looks like there was a typewriter out back then that could do what was reported by a Free Republic Member and backed up by the MainStream Press for 2 weeks.

If this is true, this is going to make The Entire TV Press organizations look pretty freaking stupid.

Dig in Gang === I know you guys can dig in deep.

Note the first paragraph of the Free Republic Thread --- :
The CBS Memo Forgery Report has now covers the recent Hailey "typewriter could do it" posting and Killian's secretary interview from the Dallas Morning News. Interestingly, the reported Olympia typewriter may well have been able to do a ligature "th" according to a previously unnoted post on the net at http://www.newsroom-l.net/blog/archives/000098.html for September 11 at 1:27 A.M. However, as pointed out in the Report, the Olympia could not do proportional typing.

Dig in Gang === I know you guys can dig in deep.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:07 AM
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1. ??????????????????
. . . . "you guys" ????
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:08 AM
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2. Guys and Gals, excuse me :)
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:17 AM
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4. no, I wasn't being flippant as to gender specific, instead I was
suggesting that your post sounds like freeper bait.

. . . . . .
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:29 AM
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7. No Bait, trust me
I just posted this because I felt it might be something.

If there were typewriters that did type like that, then, all of the media hounding Dan Rather just might backfire in their faces.

FYI: I am a former supporter of Bush and the Iraq War for I never thought a President and his team would have the balls to do what Bush and his team of liars have done.

I was fooled, but I was man enough to admit it about 470 days ago, too bad so many in this country aren't man enough to admit that they were fooled to by this phoney big W.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:31 AM
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8. Why would FR be pushing this story?
After all, they want to bring Rather down, right?
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:35 AM
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12. They are not pushing it
They have some petition thing going on, sort of a preventive panic.

Hey, I am just posting what they seemed worried about, thats all.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:41 AM
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14. well thanks then
if Freepers are worried about it - it must be something good.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:40 AM
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22. I still can't believe no democratic underground member has looked at this
Posted on 09/14/2004 8:59:15 PM PDT by rightgrafix


The CBS Evening News Website asks its viewers if they "Know of a scam that needs investigating?", and if so to email them for investigation. Um ... yes. As a matter of fact we do. And we encourage all Kerry Crushers to e-mail them at the address provided and report to them that a network news anchor most certainly tried to scam the country into thinking they had a "smoking gun" memo damaging to the President that is almost certainly a forgery. We really think they're going to regret having this request on their website.


(Excerpt) Read more at crushkerry.com ...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1216312/posts
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:09 AM
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17. This is why I kept a lot of information together
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:15 AM
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3. Freepers don't get it...
Rather got a copy of a copy of a copy of a forgery. Rove has the original in his own lockbox in the basement of the White House. We don't need no stinking proportional typewriter.
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:18 AM
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5. Note the th on this one
From the original post on free republic, this link...
http://www.newsroom-l.net/blog/archives/000098.html

when you scroll down to the September 10th 10:37 am post and click on her page 2 link it takes you to...

if you look at the second line there is a small 'th' after 111, then if you look down to line 5,6 and 9 there is a large th after 111.

Then I found this somewhere on there...
http://www.newsroom-l.net/blog/archives/000100.html
From that link... Philip Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has analyzed typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the documents in an interview with the New York Times, one in a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe Friday that after further study, he now believed the documents could have been prepared on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:21 AM
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6. no one gives a fuck
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 01:22 AM by rumguy
and honestly your post makes no fucking sense - I don't even get your point.

We more concerned about the violence in Iraq that is intesifying daily. We are more conerned with a growing national debt that is mostly owned now by Asia. That's fucking right - we are OWNED by fucking asia thanks to so-called 'conservatives'.

Freepers are maturbating about a fucking typewriter while our country burns. They are traitors.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:31 AM
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9. LOL, you don't parse words well!
Thank you for getting directly to the point. ;)
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:32 AM
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10. Rumguy
I am well aware of how we have let our economy get sucked into asia and its beyond my worst nightmares also.

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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:40 AM
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13. I see that now
I thought you were a freeper trying to rub something in.

So - what does this mean exactly - honestly I haven't followed all this typewriter shit.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:04 AM
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15. The bottom line is that CBS still can't authenticate the documents
Which means that the story around the memos is still radioactive and will likely remain unsolved forever.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:32 AM
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11. thanks for posting this
I'm interested in anything and everything. I monitor FR every day but missed this.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:05 AM
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16. Thanks, Hard Attack
I guess you are talking about the whois string, but it's no where to be found.

Do strings fall off and disappear after 20 pages? Anyone know?

All that work is gone?

So all the freepers have to do is post a bunch of tripe and anything that scares them disappears.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:20 AM
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18. Too little, too late, I'm afraid..
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 02:22 AM by impeachdubya
There are other documents that the White House has put out regarding Bush's TANG service that use not only the "th", but the same font as well. So conceivably, if the memos are fake, so is everything else. This information was out there over a week ago. It doesn't matter. All that matters is the documents were "questionable" and "questioned" and that translates into a net win for Bushco, because it means Karl Rove effectively deflected talk about Dubya being AWOL and turned it into a referendum on the media. But fuck em, that was last week. They certainly can't polish the turd of Dubya's miserable failures, which is why they spent a month hijacking the media with swift boat crapperoo, and now certainly they'd like to spend another month talking about typeface. So, rather than continue to debate the minutae of these stupid memos, I'm of the opinion we're best off conceding the point to team Rove and moving on to talk about what is going on in the world right now- The economy is going to shit, no one who is honest will say that they're better off now than they were four years ago, and Iraq is rapidly disintegrating into a bigger nightmare than the worst fears of those of us who've been saying all along that this war was a really, really, bad idea.

Nice of you to point this out, but I think Kerry has bigger fish to fry these days. And media hype to the contrary, Bush is slipping. So, screw the memos, methinks.

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indyjones1938 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:24 AM
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19. Oh my GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDDD
People, anyone who can't see this for the bait-and-switch tactic that it is needs help. Nobody gives a fuck about the Killian memos anymore. The story is over, we've moved on.

We are hours away from the debate - the most important moment of the campaign, and the freepers are now pushing the Killian memos again. Then the White House releases new documents at the midnight news dump. It's a goddamn decoy. It's meant to distract us from the debate and get the memogate story back in the news.

And evidently everyone here except for me and rumguy is taking the bait, hook, line and sinker.

Fucking unbelievable. Where are the mods?
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:37 AM
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20. I tried to post this also that someone informed me about earlier
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/09/30/200409300007.asp


The captain of the team who gave such a drubbing to CBS was Carlton Doolittle, an all-American conservative blogger from Texas.

"It was a team effort," he typed back. "The conservative bloggers have been waiting for some time to get Rather and his team."

"How did you find out how weak their line was?" I asked.

He typed back, "As soon as Rather kicked off with the story on "60 Minutes II," I sent a message to 'Tex' Hotrod, Charley Rov and Sam Flyswatter. Then all the papers picked it up and ran with it."

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I needed research on these names earlier.

This is where I pointed out the connection to crushkerry.com which sent out a memo to Karl Roves. Here was crushkerry.com message before the show aired.

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Appeared at crushkerry.com site on this message. 9/13/2004


Posted on 09/14/2004 8:59:15 PM PDT by rightgrafix
The CBS Evening News Website asks its viewers if they "Know of a scam that needs investigating?", and if so to email them for investigation. Um ... yes. As a matter of fact we do. And we encourage all Kerry Crushers to e-mail them at the address provided and report to them that a network news anchor most certainly tried to scam the country into thinking they had a "smoking gun" memo damaging to the President that is almost certainly a forgery. We really think they're going to regret having this request on their website.

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This was the message they sent to Karl Rove
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Memo To Karl Rove
www.crushkerry.com ^ | 9/9/04 | www.crushkerry.com


Posted on 09/09/2004 8:27:59 AM PDT by crushkerry


Two polls, one from TIME Magazine, the other from NEWSWEEK suggest a powerful bounce for President George W. Bush in the wake of a successful Republican National Convention . While we correctly predicted those polls showed a larger lead than the President actually had, subsequent polls have indicated the President's has between a 4-8 point lead. Moreover, John Kerry’s campaign is still showing signs of haplessness.

But now is not the time for ritual strutting. All this “hitting the final sprint” nonsense is a destructive ruse. We still have debates and about $200 million of advertising before voters make a choice. Besides, as we have said , the NEWSWEEK and TIME polls are heavily skewed in favor of Republicans. Expect a headline two weeks hence: Bush Bounce All but Gone.

If we were only slightly more paranoid than we are, we might believe a Big Media conspiracy to declare Bush the winner just in time for Comeback Kerry to slip in from behind. So herewith is another of our totally unsolicited, totally unprovoked memos to presidential advisor Karl Rove:

Mr. Rove:

Some passing thoughts on how to turn your current advantage into an electoral rout. Hope this helps:

Let’s turn John Kerry into a joke

In this highly partisan and energized political environment, being ahead in the polls simply isn’t enough. Of course, the polls will tighten. And the Democrats will lie, cheat and steal on Election Day. We’re probably looking at another 50-50 election. Down to the wire.

BUT … we do believe there is an opening right now, while the president’s poll numbers are high and folks are having serious doubts about John Kerry, to turn the corner on this guy and paint him not as a worthy adversary but rather as a joke. To be charitable, America’s Most Liberal Senator has provided your op-research staff with a target rich environment. You haven’t even touched on the Massachusetts liberal angle. Remember his Big Dig hush money? Might make for a fun ad and a clever way to remind people this clown is from the most repugnant place in America east of the Mississippi. And let’s not forget this guy Kerry claims to have a secret hat in a secret compartment in his briefcase from a secret mission with a secret agent we now know never took place. See what we’re getting at? Before you know it, Mike Dukakis himself will try to hide chuckle behind a cough.

Ignore the Ben Barnes Attacks

The strength of a scandal lies in the newness of the information it provides and the degree to which it fundamentally alters peoples’ perceptions of a candidate, a la John Kerry’s Vietnam record. Most, if not all, Americans recognize George W. Bush as the non-war hero son of a wealthy political family. Having Barnes confirm such a perception on CBS will not hurt the president’s image one iota. Especially considering Barnes’ shocking lack of credibility. We rather like the president’s line about John Kerry having served more admirably than he during Vietnam. It is true, sincere, and humble. That should be enough.

Do not allow the 1,000 US casualties in Iraq steer our president off course

The American people have demonstrated time and again they are more resilient, more confident, and yes, more patriotic than John Kerry. Frankly, his ghoulish gloating in the past few days over hitting the 1,000 dead mark is sick and disturbing. Then again, little more should be expected from a man who accused his fellow Vietnam Vets of war crimes.

Some, many will hate the president for Iraq. Most Americans recognize that the choice, as John McCain so beautifully stated, was between war and a graver threat.

…But do prevent another hurricane in Florida

Okay, even George W. Bush, with all the power of Halliburton and the Saudi Royal family at his fingertips cannot prevent another hurricane. But it is a fact that a third, and possibly even bigger, hurricane is headed toward Florida. The first two Florida hurricanes this year have left hundreds of thousands of families without power, without supplies, and in some cases homeless. Recent news coverage details stories of violent outbreaks at gas lines and supermarkets. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has received much of the blame for over-promising and under-delivering. But folks who are suffering can’t blame FEMA on Election Day. They can blame George W. Bush. And rest assured John Kerry and his Democrat echo chamber will use natural disasters to their electoral advantage. He is that tactless. So please, if you have half the unscrupulous power Al Franken and Michael Moore say you do, ward off that third hurricane.

You’ve got ‘the Vision Thing.’ Now more pandering ...

To our way of thinking, the Bush campaign still has some cracks that need patching. Heretofore, President Bush has dominated the “vision thing,” in large part because Kerry has offered him no competition on this front. But the Kerry folks have run a more cynical, and we might argue, tactically smarter campaign. Inside Kerry’s various “plans” are innumerable handouts to important groups in swing states. If this were a congressional race, Kerry would win handily. Of course, it’s not … but the targeting in this contest has become so finite, only a handful of counties in a handful of states will decide who will be the next President of the United States. And you can bet Kerry’s handouts are targeted specifically to industries in these counties.

You would be wise to steal a page or two from this playbook and offer some programs and payoffs to important industries and groups in, say Washington County, Oregon and Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. Cynical? Yes. Necessary? We’re sad to say, but it is.

Enough with the Flip-Flop nonsense

I know, I know. We have become a broken record on this issue. But our resistance to the puerile Flip-Flop charge had grown only stronger since we reviewed some old Bush-Quayle ’92 spots. It’s clear the message that year was, “a president can’t take both sides of an issue. He needs to stand firm,” blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but this didn’t work in 1992 and it won’t work this year. The Bush campaign spent roughly $100 million burning this message in and the good guys were still behind through July. $100,000 from the Swift Boat Vets and Kerry is screaming for a life raft. The president doesn’t have the credibility to push the Vietnam message (and we wouldn’t recommend he push it anyway) but we require no further evidence than this to show the futility of the Flip-Flop silliness.

Seven points ahead is better than seven points behind. But we are a long, long way from Election Day. Don’t stay the course. Turn up the volume.

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This was all at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=897089&mesg_id=897089

and then we had a person who made flow charts of the media.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=900099#902545

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:39 AM
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21. Forgot to mention that crushkerry.com was created by Patrick Hynes
information from democratic underground on Patrick Hynes
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Indirect link with Move America Forward

Hynes is currently Senior Account Executive and chief copywriter with Marsh Copsey + Scott. This Republican consulting firm was formerly (until 2002) part of Russo Marsh Copsey and Scott, which is now Russo Marsh and Rogers.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Russo_Mars ...

Russo Marsh and Rogers (RM+R) is a political public relations firm based in Sacramento, California.

In June 2004, RM+R formed a front organization called Move America Forward. Its stated aim was to "to stand up and support the brave men and women of our Armed Forces" <1>. However its chief preoccupation seemed to be a campaign against the showing of Fahrenheit 9/11 (movie 2004) in movie theaters.

RM+R also appears to trade under the name King Media Group. The website of King Media Group shows a nearly identical list of principals to that of RM+R, and it operates from the same postal address.

"Ain't nobody here but us chickens."
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Marsh Copsey + Scott's client list

From The Daily Kos
http://dailykos.com/story/2004/8/20/112017/125

National Political Committees

Republican National Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
National Republican Congressional Committee

State Political Committees

California Republican Party
New York Republican Party
Washington State Republican Party
Oregon Republican Party
Florida Republican Party
Maryland Republican Party
Montana Republican Party
New Hampshire Republican Party
Illinois Republican Party
Vermont GOP House Campaign Committee
Connecticut Republican House Campaign Committee
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Hynes also previously with Russo, Marsh, Copsey & Scott

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_7_22 ...
September 2001

Sonny Scott has joined the Republican media firm Russo, Marsh & Copsey as partner, and the firm is re-named Russo, Marsh, Copsey & Scott. Scott comes from the National Republican congressional Committee, where he worked on top-targeted races in the 2000 election season. The firm - which has offices in Washington, D.C., Sacramento, CA and Atlanta, GA - has also promoted Patrick Hynes to account executive and Leif Larson to production manager and account executive....
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Interesting Patrick Hynes story from 2002 campaign

It seems that Hynes was serving as press secretary for a Republican candidate in New Hampshire, even though he was working for Russo, Marsh, Copsey & Scott down in Washington, DC. He denied that he was actually working on behalf of the National Republican Congressional Committee, but this columnist is highly skeptical of that claim.


http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/08272002/col_cap ...

An editorial that appeared in the Portsmouth Herald last week brought up something from the Corner’s "Just How Involved Is the National Party?" file.

The editorial was critical of Republican 1st District Congressional candidate Sean Mahoney of Portsmouth ... The newspaper editorial called Mahoney either extremely dense or verging on insanity for his statements, but instead of getting a call from the candidate or his campaign chairman, the paper was contacted by Mahoney’s press secretary Patrick Hynes.

<snip>

However, the interesting part of all this was that Hynes works for a Republican PR firm - Russo, Marsh, Copsey and Scott - located not in New Hampshire or even Massachusetts, but inside the Beltway in Washington, D.C. Hynes described himself as a Republican operative and former Laconia native, but denied he was working for Mahoney on behalf of the National Republican Congressional Committee, the official arm of the national Republican Party.

The NRCC has said it would remain neutral in the congressional primary race, but would be active in the general election and in putting out information that could be detrimental to Clark even before a Republican nominee was chosen. But that raises the question of why Mahoney would chose a Washington-based PR firm to do his publicity. Just how connected could an inside-the-Beltway firm be to what is going on in New Hampshire?
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