Kerry Flip-Flop Is Really Flip-Flopped.

[plax3]

For school, I had to research some of Kerry's "flip-flops". I went to GeorgeWBush.com(and as a result I got a headache from the hypocrisy and stupidity). I was looking through all of those false accusations when I noticed something:


Flip-Flop-Flipped On Ballistic Missile Defense

Kerry Called For Cancellation Of Missile Defense Systems In 1984 And Has Voted Against Funding For Missile Defense At Least 53 Times Between 1985 And 2000. (“John Kerry On The Defense Budget,” Campaign Position Paper, John Kerry For U.S. Senate, 1984; S. 1160, CQ Vote #99: Rejected 21-78: R 2-50; D 19-28, 6/4/85, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1160, CQ Vote #100: Rejected 38-57: R 6-45; D 32-12, 6/4/85, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1160, CQ Vote #101: Rejected 36-59: R 1-49; D 35-10, 6/4/85, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1160, CQ Vote #103: Rejected 33-62: R 28-22; D 5-40, 6/4/85, Kerry Voted Nay; H.J. Res. 465, CQ Vote #365: Motion Agreed To 64-32: R 49-2; D 15-30, 12/10/85, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 4515, CQ Vote #122: Ruled Non-Germane 45-47: R 7-42; D 38-5, 6/6/86, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 2638, CQ Vote #176: Motion Agreed To 50-49: R 41-11; D 9-38, 8/5/86, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2638, CQ Vote #177: Rejected 49-50: R 10-42; D 39-8, 8/5/86, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1174, CQ Vote #248: Motion Agreed To 58-38: R 8-37; D 50-1, 9/17/87, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1174, CQ Vote #259: Motion Agreed To 51-50: R 37-9; D 13-41, With Vice President Bush Casting An “ Yea “ Vote, 9/22/87, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2355, CQ Vote #124: Motion Agreed To 66-29: R 38-6; D 28-23, 5/11/88, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2355, CQ Vote #125: Motion Agreed To 50-46: R 38-7; D 12-39, 5/11/88, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2355, CQ Vote #126: Motion Rejected 47-50: R 38-6; D 9-44, 5/11/88, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2355, CQ Vote #128: Motion Rejected 48-50: R 6-39; D 42-11, 5/11/88, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 2355, CQ Vote #136: Motion Agreed To 56-37: R 9-34; D 47-3, 5/13/88, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 2355, CQ Vote #137: Motion Agreed To 51-43: R 38-5; D 13-38, 5/13/88, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 4264, CQ Vote #251: Motion Rejected 35-58: R 35-9; D 0-49, 7/14/88, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 4781, CQ Vote #296: Motion Agreed To 50-44: R 5-39; D 45-5, 8/5/88, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1352, CQ Vote #148: Motion Agreed To 50-47: R 37-6; D 13-41, 7/27/89, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #202: Rejected 34-66: R 27-18; D 7-48, 9/26/89, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #213: Adopted 53-47: R 39-6; D 14-41, 9/28/89, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2884, CQ Vote #223: Adopted 54-44: R 2-42; D 52-2, 8/4/90, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 2884, CQ Vote #225: Motion Agreed To 56-41: R 39-4; D 17-37, 8/4/90, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2884, CQ Vote #226: Motion Agreed To 54-43: R 37-6; D 17-37, 8/4/90, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 4739, CQ Vote #320: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1507, CQ Vote #168: Rejected 39-60: R 4-39; D 35-21, 7/31/91, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1507, CQ Vote #171: Motion Agreed To 60-38: R 40-3; D 20-35, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1507, CQ Vote #172: Motion Agreed To 64-34: R 39-4; D 25-30, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1507, CQ Vote #173: Rejected 46-52: R 5-38; D 41-14, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Yea; H.R. 2521, CQ Vote #207: Motion Agreed To 50-49: R 38-5; D 12-44, 9/25/91, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2403, CQ Vote #85: Adopted 61-38: R 7-36; D 54-2, 5/6/92, Kerry Voted Yea; H.R. 4990, CQ Vote #108: Adopted 90-9: R 34-9; D 56-0, 5/21/92, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 3114, CQ Vote #182: Motion Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, 8/7/92, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 3114, CQ Vote #214: Rejected 48-50: R 5-38; D 43-12, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 3114, CQ Vote #215: Adopted 52-46: R 39-4; D 13-42, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 5504, CQ Vote #228: Adopted 89-4: R 36-4; D 53-0, 9/22/92, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1298, CQ Vote #251: Adopted 50-48: R 6-36; D 44-12, 9/9/93, Kerry Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 63, CQ Vote #64: Rejected 40-59: R 2-42; D 38-17, 3/22/94, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1026, CQ Vote #354: Motion Agreed To 51-48: R 47-6; D 4-42, 8/3/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1087, CQ Vote #384: Rejected 45-54: R 5-49; D 40-5, 8/10/95, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1087, CQ Vote #397: Passed 62-35: R 48-4; D 14-31, 9/5/95, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #399: Passed 64-34: R 50-3; D 14-31, 9/6/95, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #608: Adopted 51-43: R 47-2; D 4-41, 12/19/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1635, CQ Vote #157: Rejected 53-46: R 52-0; D 1-46, 6/4/96, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1745, CQ Vote #160: Rejected 44-53: R 4-49; D 40-4, 6/19/96, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1745, CQ Vote #187: Passed 68-31: R 50-2; D 18-29, 7/10/96, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 936, CQ Vote #171: Rejected 43-56: R 2-53; D 41-3, 7/11/97, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1873, CQ Vote #131: Motion Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41, 5/13/98, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1873, CQ Vote #262: Motion Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41, 9/9/98, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2549, CQ Vote #178: Motion Agreed To 52-48: R 52-3; D 0-45, 7/13/00, Kerry Voted Nay)

Kerry Then Claimed To Support Missile Defense. “I support the development of an effective defense against ballistic missiles that is deployed with maximum transparency and consultation with U.S. allies and other major powers. If there is a real potential of a rogue nation firing missiles at any city in the United States, responsible leadership requires that we make our best, most thoughtful efforts to defend against that threat. The same is true of accidental launch. If it were to happen, no leader could ever explain not having chosen to defend against the disaster when doing so made sense.” (Peace Action Website, “Where Do The Candidates Stand On Foreign Policy?” http://www.peace-action.org/2004/Kerry.html, Accessed 3/10/04)

Now Kerry Campaign Says He Will Defund Missile Defense. FOX NEWS’ MAJOR GARRETT: “Kerry would not say how much all of this would cost. A top military adviser said the Massachusetts Senator would pay for some of it by stopping all funds to deploy a national ballistic missile defense system, one that Kerry doesn’t believe will work.” KERRY ADVISOR RAND BEERS: “He would not go forward at this time because there is not a proof of concept.” (Fox News’ “Special Report,” 3/17/03)

Do you see it?

Here's the link: http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymediacenter/read.aspx?ID=2439

I'm not sure if this is a typo...but if it isn't, that's something.

[fishface]

1. I believe they call that "when ya can't defend the village idiot's

record , go after the lint on his opponents jacket", AKA "when you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bushit".

Bush uses his supporters ignorance to his advantage.


(By the way..enjoy your stay):evilgrin:

[JI7]

2. why did you post this here with the right wing links ?

i doubt you had a school assignment on it.

[plax3]

5. I'm a democrat. don't accuse me of being a republican.

This is for a speech and debate club. Do you think i would post a mistake/bush's attempt to mislead people on here? I'm kerry all the way.

[fishface]

8. Well, some people may say you're using a Bush bait & switch

that he's so well known for.

Just a theory at this point however I have to assume some people will be giving your posts added scrutiny until they're comfortable with you. We get a lot of freetards coming in wearing sheeps clothing.

Nothing personal..:-)

[LittleClarkie]

3. Simple

He's for the *development* of an *effective* missle program.

But not for the *deployment* of the current one, which he must not consider *effective*.

In other words, back to the drawing boards, boys and girls. He has said before that he thinks more study needs to be done before we start building anything.

Just the usual taken-out-of-context Bush spin.

[saracat]

4. Umm. We don't use Fox News as a source,nor would we go to

www.georgebush.com for anything. You aren't subtle are you?

[plax3]

7. READ THE WHOLE THING.

geez. How ignorant can you get? I don't watch Fox news. I'm trying to help and you're being cynical. Your problem if you don't believe me. Not mine.

[saracat]

9. I did. And your point is?

Don't bark at me when you post suspect links. I still don't get your point .And calling me ignorant is a personal attack. It isn't allowed. All I see here is a classic senate voting record. Deals being made and opinions changing.So Kerry doesn't think the current version of missle defense won't work? So, what? It doesn't. We have tested it and it is not predictable.

[plax3]

10. The dates!

you don't see it? I bolded the dates. The second one is later than the third one. So they're trying to make it seem like he switched more times. Sorry about the ignorant part. You can imagine what I was thinking when you called me a republican. :)

[JI7]

11. she never called you a Republican and neither did i

yet you claimed we did. interesting.

[plax3]

12. context clues

read between the lines.

[JI7]

13. i did and we took issue with you putting up right wing links

[EST]

6. Wshew! All them there numbers.

My own much distilled understanding of Kerry's voting record shows a huge amount (as is normal in the senate) of variation of votes were in order to facillitate funding (as in the Iraq supplemental) or used as a stick or carrot to obtain cooperation on other legislation. Also complicating the issue since the early seventies in the anti-ballistic-missile-missle arena has been the fact that on at least three occasions, after years of research and megabucks spent in each case, the suppliers and the gov. supporters lied to everyone about whether it would work or not, and the various programs were funded and then defunded several times.
The state of the art, even now, does not support the usefulness or practicality of this approach.
Without trying to make excuses for Kerry, the picture is much more muddled than the simple soundbite demands of the current administration will allow.

[rullery]

14. Welcome to DU, plax3.

I believe that you are sincere, and you have certainly done a lot of research. Any senator with a record of 20 years such as Kerry is bound to have some votes that can be mined by the opposition, and presented in a distorted manner to discredit him.

It seems clear though that while Kerry would support an effective missile defense system, if one is ever developed, he is against wasting money on an ineffective program. I applaud his fiscal responsibility, and consider it an asset to his campaign.

[kerryin2004]

15. Jesus, Are we back to Star Wars again??

How much money have we wasted on this program that continues to be useless? The funny thing is before 9-11 this is all the Bushies ever talked about....We need to fund missile defense because the chinese are coming to get us.. 8 years without it, and all of a sudden it becomes an issue again..

[LittleClarkie]

16. And at the same time on the Senate floor

Guess what John Kerry was talking about.

Terrorism.

[LittleClarkie]

17. Dupe delete

If you would

[shraby]

18. Star Wars was debunked by

scientists and programmers when the idea was floated. It would have needed over a million pages of error-free programming and they figured that was nigh unto impossible. THEN
Some less scrupulous scientists saw how much money was to be made trying to develop it and said, "hmmmmm.....maybe it can be done".

[liberal N proud]

19. IGNORE THIS POST!