"The Army-McCarthy hearngs reached a dramatic high point today in an
angry, emotion-packed exchange between Senator Joseph R. McCarthy and
Joseph N. Welch, special counsel for the Army.
Irritated by Mr. Welch's persistent cross-examination of Roy M.
Cohn, Senator McCarthy suddenly injected into the hearings a charge that
one of Mr. Welch's Boston law firm associates, Frederick G. Fisher Jr.,
had been a member of the National Lawyers Guild 'long after it had been
exposed as the legal arm of the Communist Party.'
Mr. Welch, almost in tears from this unexpected attack, told the
Wisconsin Republican that 'until this moment, Senator, I think I never
really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.' He asked Senator McCarthy
if any 'sense of decency' remained in him.
'If there is a God in heaven, it will do
neither you nor your cause any good,' Mr. Welch declared."
The article then notes that the audience burst into applause.OK, I think that the stage has been set. My transcript of what was said
is from page 15 of the same New York Times; I'll start after McCarthy
has made his accusation against Fisher and claimed that Welch tried to force
Fisher on the committee as one of the Army's counsel. McCarthy has injected
this accusation into Welch's cross-examination of Roy Cohn.
MR. WELCH - Senator McCarthy I think until this moment--
SENATOR MCCARTHY - Just a minute. Let me ask, Jim -- wil you get the
news story to the effect that this man belongs to this Communist front
organization.
MR. WELCH - I wll tell you that he belonged to it.
SENATOR MCCARTY - Will you get the citations -- order the citations
showing that this was the legal arm of the Communist party and the length of
time that he belonged and the fact that he was recommended by Mr. Welch?
I think that should be in the record.
MR. WELCH - Senator, you won't need anything in the record when I
finish telling you this. Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really
gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came
into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us.
When I decided to work for this committee I asked Jim St. Clair, who sits
on my right, to be my first assistant. I said to Jim: "Pick somebody in
the firm to work under you that you would like."
He chose Fred Fisher and they came down on an afternoon plane. That
night when we had taken a little stab at trying to see what the case was
about, Fred Fisher and Jim St. Clair and I went to dinner together.
I then said to these two young men: "Boys, I don't know anything about
you except I've always liked you, but if there's anything funny in the life
of either one of you that would hurt anybody in this case, you speak up
quick."
And Fred Fisher said: "Mr. Welch, when I was in the law school and for
a period of months after I belonged to the Lawyer's Guild" as you have
suggested, Senator.
He went on to say, "I am the secretary of the Young Republicans' League
with the son of the Massachusetts Governor and I have the respect and
admiration of my community and I'm sure I have the respect and admiration of
the twenty-five lawyers or so in Hale & Dorr
"
And I said, "Fred, I just don't think I'm going to ask you to work on
the case. If I do, one of these days that will come out and go over
national television and it will hurt like the dickens."
So, Senator, I asked him to go back to Boston. Little did I dream
you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It
is true he is still with Hale & Dorr. It is true that he will continue to
be with Hale & Dorr.
It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear
a scar, needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you
for your reckless cruelty, I would do so. I like to think I'm a gentle man,
but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.
SENATOR MCCARTHY - May I say that Mr. Welch talks about this being
cruel and reckless. He was just baiting -- he has been baiting Mr. Cohn
here for hours, requesting that Mr. Cohn before sundown get out of any
department of the Government anyone who was serving the Communist cause.
Now, I just give this man's record, and I want to say, Mr. Welch, that
it has been labeled long before he became a member as early as 1944.
MR. WELCH - Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the
Lawyer's Guild.
SENATOR MCCARTHY - Let me finish this.
MR. WELCH - And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. I did you, I think, no
personal injury, Mr. Cohn.
MR. COHN - No, sir.
MR. WELCH - I meant to do you no personal injury and if I did, I beg
your pardon. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done
enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no
sense of decency?
SENATOR MCCARTHY - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch.
MR. WELCH - I'll say it hurts.
SENATOR MCCARTHY - May I say, Mr. Chairman, as a point of personal
privilege, that I'd like to finish this.
MR. WELCH - Senator, I think it hurts you too, sir.
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