Just what I needed: a real-live argument with a bush supporter!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

GRRRR!!!!!$#%*($*%(#$&%($#*%*$#(%*#$(%

He came over to pick up his daughter. Our daughters are friends. I like him as long as we don't talk politics. Believe it or not he voted for CLINTON twice. Yeah.

So he starts talking smack about Kerry and I bring up the war in Iraq and say what a stupid mess I think it is and how we should have never been there. He uses that tired old "I'd rather be fighting them there than here" (the terrorists) and I said that was bullshit and he said "it's not they attacked us on September 11" That's when I lost it. I started yelling. "YEAH AND WHERE IS HE??? WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?? THE GUY BEHIND THAT????"

He tried to get a word in edgewise but I was so fucking steamed at that point. I felt bad because my daughter was asleep on the couch (cold medicine) and I actually woke her up with my yelling at the front door.

He tried to end it by saying "hey but I think you're a neat lady even though we disagree" and I growled "thanks" and shut the door.

I just can't take it. BASTARD.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Its getting harder and harder to stay calm

Luckily, NO ONE has told me they support Bush. I think they must sense what will happen if they do!

[progressiveBadger]

2. I feel my head getting all hot

when I talk politics with a Bush supporter. It's all I can do to keep from loosing it.

[lightbulb]

3. Try as you might

You probably won't be able to talk (or yell) sense into the guy. He wants to believe what makes him feel good, regardless of what's true. I've been there and feel your pain.

[bo44]

4. Shit stained thinking is difficult to wipe out Nice Try Moonbeam

Even you try to wipe the dookkkie stained smirk of of some freepturd you are subjected to their malodorous lingering stench know as their whiteous opinion.

[Warpy]

5. It's getting harder and harder to cope calmly

even though I know full well that good people have a right to be in the wrong, especially on politics.

I generally start asking questions about how they came to such a conclusion or where they heard this or that bit of crap.

Somehow, it always comes down to Pox News. Once it gets there, all you can do is tell them that they're listening to pure propaganda and let it drop. There's not much you can do with a true believer.

[cheshire]

6. He should have not brought it up on your doorstep. It was rude, you had

every right to give him the facts. If you had to yell to get thru so be it. I say he asked for it. You go girl. He will respect you and learn his place. Where and where not to start a discussion. Putz

[Sparkly]

7. "rather be fighting them there than here"

This is what makes me nuts: they don't realize they are repeating propaganda... Brawwwwk!!

"I'd rather fight them there than here" MIGHT make sense if there were SIX of "them."

I wish we could show them all a mirror, so they can see themselves for what they are and what they're doing.

(see Polly the Propaganda Parrot.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=924570&mesg_id=924570

[clydefrand]

8. I know exactly how you feel

And I can't understand how people can be so stupid and narrow-minded. I had a similar, but maybe not so caustic a conversation with a friend on the phone Monday. She used the same old line...rather take the fight to the enemy. Well, I've been thinking about her all week and I want to tell her a thing or two, but it won't help me and I know it won't help her because she has her mind made up...her gut tells her that Bush is the right one. This is a 70 year-old woman, retired teacher, and one that I thought had the desire to know the truth. But sadly she doesn't. I've been thinking about the dreaded draft that keeps getting brought up. I want to wake her up by telling her that IF that is reinstituted, then she has a 16-year old granddaughter who could become one of those charred bodies hanging on a bridge over there. But I know that is too, too mean, but it very well could happen. I hate to see anyone hurt or killed because of this stupid man.

[BamaLefty]

9. That last sentence says it all!

That is typical GOP "kindness." They use that shit to make the Dems look mean and cruel when they have no argument. The bottom line is that Repubs can't stick with us on idealogy and policy so they use their trump BS word: compassion. Yeah right, compassion my ass! Fraud is the best word to describe them.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

10. Honestly guys

I am thinking back over the conversation and the end where I was yelling and there are parts where I can't even remember what I said, I was so pissed off.

I do remember at one point he said he thought Kerry would be a dangerous choice for president and I said "I've felt that way about bush for four years, except now he's PROVEN it to me!"

It's pretty bad when you can't even remember all of an arguement you had just ten minutes ago.

[fugue]

11. You're doing better than I do . . .

I can't debate in real time. I can't hold my Naderite sister at bay when we meet face-to-face.

I blow her away in e-mail, which is doubtless why she won't discuss politics via that method. ^_^

Thanks for trying! It's a comfort to all of us who don't try because we'll hurt the cause!

[Carni]

12. The whole country is a tinderbox

I would have lost it as well if I had to listen to that drivel in my home.

I am so sick of these people and their lame assed talking points and their taunting condescending crap...that I think my head is going to blow off.