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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:55 AM
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The big fat lie of our duty to help the "poor" children of illegal parents.
They so-called "progressives" in Colorado are trying to brow beat us into supporting legilation to give illegals state-subsized tuition to our state and community colleges.

But are we really helping these kids? Wouldn't it be better to help them by giving the freedom to not be looking over their shoulders for the police for their entire lives? Isn't that the true progressive way? How can we educate anyone when their life is nothing but a lie. Besides, they won't even have the legal right to work in America after we pay for their education.

Instead they brow beat us into feeling bad because, despite the fact they do get a high school education, they don't get a fair cost on college education. The fact is, we've done our duty in giving them a high school education.

While the illegals skate into college, American citizens are standing in line to fill out draft registrations. If they don't, there are penalties related to college costs for AMERICAN citizens. The so-called "progressives" won't tell you that. There's also the issue of auto insurance and drivers licenses that Americans must deal with not to mention being thrown in jail for not reporting to jury duty. So the "progressives" can continue to lie that the illegals are second-class citizens, when the truth is, Americans are second class citizens when we give illegals special rights involving tax-payers subsidized tuition without any responsibilities required of citizens.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 05:45 PM
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1. Jared Polis supports tuition equity.
This is from www.coloradopols.com , go there to read more:




Support tuition equity!
by: Jared Polis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:10:11 AM MDT



At a United States Student Association rally supporting the DREAM Act outside the U.S. Capitol today, I called upon the Colorado State Legislature to pass SB 170 and allow qualified Colorado high school graduates, regardless of immigration status, to pay in-state tuition rates at the state's public colleges and universities.
I haven't taken positions on any other laws before our state legislature this year, but this one is compelling enough for me to issue a statement. It also ties into federal policy and puts Colorado in an excellent position for us to benefit the most under the federal DREAM Act and comprehensive immigration reform.

Jared Polis :: Support tuition equity!
These kids are as American as anyone else; many of them have been in the country since they were infants and speak English better than you or I and know no other nation. By denying these students-our future teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, and entrepreneurs-the opportunity to go to college and succeed, we are only shooting ourselves in the foot.
This week, I am co-sponsoring the DREAM (Development, Relief, and Education for Minors) Act, a bipartisan proposal to create a pathway to both college and citizenship for thousands of young students who were brought to the United States years ago as children, which will be reintroduced in the U.S. House and Senate. Without SB 170, however, thousands of young Coloradans would never be able to take full advantage of the DREAM Act, since tuition equity requires state legislative action. Ten states have already enacted tuition equity, including Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, and Utah.

SB 170 would increase state revenue, help close the achievement gap in our schools, enrich our workforce, and strengthen our economy. What's not to like?

With this bill, Colorado has the opportunity to gain maximum benefit from comprehensive immigration reform and the DREAM Act by ensuring that our future citizens are well-educated and ready for work. I call upon Colorado's lawmakers to invest in our state's future and pass SB 170.

I deeply appreciate the efforts of Governor Bill Ritter for supporting the legislation and State Senator Chris Romer (D-Denver) and State Representative Joe Miklosi (D-Denver) for advancing the bill through the legislature.

We are a nation of immigrants. When we look into the faces of our newest Americans, how can any of us help but seeing the eyes of our parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents staring back.

Congressman Jared Polis

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 11:03 PM
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2. You lost me when you call them illegals.
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 11:34 PM by backscatter712
These are human beings, and don't you ever forget that, you bigot.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:33 PM
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3. damn, seriously, wtf?
A good education is the right of every person around the globe.

And you were talking about not registering for the draft and a tuition increase? Umm, last I checked you couldn't even go to college in the US as a citizen unless you had registered.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 10:21 PM
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4. I hope like hell that bill passes
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 05:21 PM
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5. It failed.
Five Democrats turned traitor and voted with the Rethugs to kill tuition equality.

Members of the DU Bigot Brigate: happy now?

Are you happy that a few brown people can't go to college?

Are you happy that a few kids who were brought here before they could really think for themselves about the decision to jump a fence just had their futures stunted?

Go to hell, you racist fucks!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 05:31 PM
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6. While I'm here: Racist traitors to the Democratic Party:
Morgan Carroll of Aurora
Jim Isgar of Hesperus
Moe Keller of Wheat Ridge
Linda Newell of Centennial
Lois Tochtrop of Thornton
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:03 AM
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7. What a bunch of nonsense. Segregationist arguments pure and simple.
Why not give them "state-(subsidized)" tuition? They've been paying Colorado taxes for years, that's why - if you need a monetary reason.

So their lives are a lie. You make it that in your own eyes and then stand behind draconian laws for justification. Their lives are not lies to them. They know all too well how people like you feel and the threat you pose to them.

Brow beat you into feeling bad - yea. Segregationists ought to feel stupid and foolish for being segregationists. Our laws require we provide a high school level education. But if you want to say "we've done our duty"... more nonsense. Our *real* duty is to provide our children -- as in all children -- what they need to prosper in their adult life. High school isn't enough. So you may let go at that point but our needs are more than that. But I'll remove your name from the list of people we can count on for helping out. Your "duty" stops at high school, after all, that's what the law said.

"While the illegals skate into college"... You divide America more than you realize. Draft registration, auto insurance, driver's licenses are issues because *we* make laws that make people "illegal". And they don't "skate into college"...that is a straw-man argument.

You really don't know anyone who has had to come over to the US in spite of our immigration laws. That much is clear. You can just look at people and call them "illegals", that's enough for you to punish them. But you don't stop there, you find it necessary to punish their children.

"the truth is, Americans are second class citizens when we give illegals special rights" - Nonsense. You have no idea what a second-class citizen is. Any threat over you that your family will not be together tonight because INS will grab your mother or father (or both!) and put them into a detention center - but you'll have no way of knowing where or when they will be released? Are you being exploited at work and being paid sub-minimum wages?

I guess your fellow human beings aren't worth your consideration. They have to be "Americans". Documented Americans.

Welcome to the Confederate State of Colorado. How's that for being progressive.
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