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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:48 PM
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Ill. Truck Crash Kills Six People (Trucks kill 13 in two days)
What is it with trucks? In a perfect world, trucks would be relegated to separate roads (apologies to any truck drivers). Yesterday, 7 children were killed when their car was sandwiched by a truck (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/13713514.htm). And then this:


The Associated Press
Thursday, January 26, 2006; 12:16 PM

MARION, Ill. -- A tractor-trailer slammed into oncoming traffic in an interstate construction zone, starting a pileup that killed six people in southern Illinois, authorities said.

The truck driver was among the dead following the crash Wednesday evening, said Mike Claffey, spokesman for the State Department of Transportation.


"The information IDOT has was that he was speeding and driving erratically, and that he crossed over and struck two vehicles head-on," Claffey said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600968.html
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:52 PM
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1. It sounds like he may have had a heart attack
or something like that. If he had his body could have slumped forward. Just a thought. My son is a truck driver and I worry about him alot.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:52 PM
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2. What I find strange, is that these CDL drivers are supposed to be
regularly pop tested for drugs... RANDOMLY, they are supposed to have a tattle tale in their truck (many do some don't) that records shift points, RPM's, acceleration and braking, location, duration etc. Apparently this system is not being used universally because it does work.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:55 PM
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5. I wonder if the pressure to reach destinations in X-amount of time
could have something to do with it. Or over-extended trips, with little rest.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:04 PM
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8. The new driving rules do just that...
hubby hates them because he has to drive more.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:23 PM
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11. It turns out that Bush is the one who relaxed the regulations:
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 07:26 PM by brentspeak
"WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration Friday permanently relaxed rules governing how many hours a day truckers may spend behind the wheel, issuing regulations that would allow them to continue spending 11 hours each day on the road -- a move denounced by consumer safety advocates.

The Transportation Department said the new rules would improve highway safety because they also shorten a trucker's overall workday and increase required rest periods between shifts. But consumer advocates said the rules were a giveaway to the trucking industry and a significant step backward.


http://www.stevenbodzin.com/shtml/clips/truckers.shtml
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:30 PM
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12. Big oopping surprise. What else can one expect of Bush?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:30 PM
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13. It's designed to keep drivers on the road longer...
Trucking unions and other groups took this to court to try and force the rules back to where they were before. Of course it failed and then was made permanent.

These rules are more for trucking companies and other 'friends' of the bush regime.

Another fine example of how little they think of the working class in this country.
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gyles19 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:06 AM
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15. As much as I dislike this administration...
.the guys sitting in power right now had very little to do with the Hours of Service rules going into affect. The process started under Clinton, was mandated by Congress, and it just took the FMCSA (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) this long to finish it. (Typical government, slow as molasses in January.)

Bush can't claim any credit for this situation; it was already in the works when he first stole office. And it actually (in most cases) benefits drivers over the companies. Most companies had to give raises to their drivers to offset the pay cut they got when the new HOS shortened their workday. These days, drivers get more time off, they sleep better, and their paychecks haven't suffered. The bills Bush signed were pushed by Congress to reduce the uncertainty caused in the entire trucking industry by these vindictive lawsuits. Keep in mind that 80% of the goods that are bought and sold in this country (everything from the paper your newspaper is printed on, to the food you eat, the goods in your home, the material that built your home, all of it) was probably delivered on a truck. My town doesn't even have a train station any longer! Shipping costs are one of those cost-of-goods things most consumers never see except when they're buying a new car. But remember that when shipping costs go up, those costs are passed along to the consumer in the form of increased prices. Bush is in enough trouble over the economy as it is, he isn't going to veto a bill when doing so threatens to damage the economy even more.

Did you know that drivers are classified as non-skilled labor by our Government, and they are exempted from wage/labor laws most of you take for granted? Drivers these days get paid only for the miles they drive, not the hours it takes to drive them, nor for all the rest of the work they do every day (waiting for loading/unloading, waiting for load assignments, fueling, inspecting, cleaning, and repairing equipment, doing paperwork, etc.) (Teamsters are a special case, since they're union, but they are vastly outnumbered by the non-union companies today.) This is like a secretary being paid a piece-rate based on the words typed per day, but also requiring phone answering, note taking, and all the other duties secretaries usually do go unpaid. Simply re-classifying drivers as skilled labor and putting them back under wage protection laws (minimum wage, 8 hr work days, etc) would go a long way toward solving what little fatigue issues there are. Strangely, no one on the "highway safety" soapbox as so much as hinted as such a thing because it would raise the costs of everything they themselves buy.

Truck drivers are subject to "Hours of Service" which control when and how long a driver can drive. They finally changed in 2004, after having been instituted back in the 1930's and left unchanged for decades. PATT and CRASH (who, I might point out, get a large chunk of their funding from the Railroad industry) are against anything positive which can actually help. They simply want to put the trucking industry out of business and they twist any information they can in their attempts to accomplish this goal. If PATT and CRASH are so concerned about highway safety, why aren't they targeting their efforts where it could do the most good? Improved driver education for all licensed drivers would be a big step in the right direction. http://bulktransporter.com/news/CRASH/index.html">CRASH preparing attack on trucking (Current issue)

The rules change did not benefit the trucking companies much, since it reduced the time available to their employee-drivers to drive. Not only did company costs go up, but the drivers themselves got a significant cut in their paychecks. It did, however, finally give the drivers enough clout to enable them to avoid the abusive practices many company dispatcher/managers used to employ. Previously, if a driver's logbook (where HOS rules were tracked) showed available driving hours, that driver was ordered to drive, no matter how tired he or she was at the time. With the new rules, the driver is required to stop driving no later than 14 hours after he started, and often earlier, since there is an 11 hour limit on actual driving.

Big trucks driven by professional drivers are involved in less than 5% of the accidents on our highways. From 75% to 80% (of that less-than-5%) are found to be the fault of the amateur drivers in the passenger vehicles involved. (This information comes from a study done by Triple A. They haven't been very vocal about it because it doesn't fit their anti-truck agenda.) The overall accident rates for all big trucks have gone down since the new rules went into effect.

Short-haul trucks weren't deregulated, as another poster claimed. One subset of short-haul drivers were relieved of the need to keep a paper log book. They are still subject to Hours of Service, but the onus is now on the company employing them to track their hours, rather than the individual driver.

The new rules even added a new group of drivers to HOS requirements which weren't previously covered. For example those guys driving those dualie pickup trucks to haul things like FEMA trailers, 3-vehicle transport trailers, and the like. These folks (who aren't required to have a CDL because their power units are too small) are now required to follow the HOS just like the big dogs they are competing with.

Here's a link to the official announcement regarding the Hours of Service:
HOS Final Rule 8-25-05

Regarding the multi-vehicle accident, that's a sad affair. Information I've read online indicates the truck driver that died had a heart attack. The fact that his errant vehicle was able to collide head-on with oncoming traffic says more about our state's highway design than anything else. Had this occurred in Chicago, for instance, there would have been a large concrete center divider to block his path. Missouri has been installing cable fencing up the center of all of their interstates. I think Illinois should consider such a barrier as well, but the majority of the highway funds always seem to go to Chicago, don't they?

Now, that driver in Florida who apparently had gone something like 30+ hours without sleep? You can be sure he'll be jailed for a very long time, because CDL holders are held to a much stricter standard than amateur drivers are. And he'll deserve it, too. I have no sympathy for him!

A little about myself: I'm a laid-off software engineer. Thanks to the current tax incentives that have shoved so many software/IT jobs overseas to India and the like, I was unable to find a similar job in my area. So, I packed my stuff into a storage locker, vacated my rental house, and used my unemployment benefits to go to professional driving school and get a CDL (Commercial Drivers License.) I'm now one of those evil over-the-road truckers you folks seem to hate so much. And yes, I'm subject to random drug and alcohol tests, and I have to take physicals to prove I'm physically fit to drive. (Do you?) Sigh. (I work shorter hours than I did as a software engineer, too!) My pay is about 60% of what it was before, but I'm saving more because my expenses are lower and I'm rarely home to spend it.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:26 PM
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16. Hi gyles19!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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SIU_Blue Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:53 PM
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3. That's about 10 minutes from me...
that construction zone on I-57 makes the lanes extremely narrow, though it sounds like the truck driver was not driving responsibly. RIP everyone.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:54 PM
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4. War on Truck Drivers!! Listen to their conversations to keep us safe!
read their emails! Get copies of their truckstop receipts! They are big killing machines!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:59 PM
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6. I saw one buying an axe the other day..... gonna call it in. nt.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:59 PM
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7. they just had this story on CBS evening news
appears the grandfather (?) of one of the families had a fatal heart attack on hearing the news. sorry, i wasn't listening too closely.

and we've had 3 fatal pedestrian (one was a bicyclist) deaths in as many days here in my small community... without a doubt, flesh and bone is no match for accelerating steel.

sad.
dp
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:07 PM
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9. It was of the 7 children.
The woman loses her 7 adopted kids and her dad. :wow:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:40 PM
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14. She lost one Child, two Nieces,4 children adopted, &her Dad
According to the excerpt from this report:

Along with Nicky, who was the Manns' biological child, and soon-to-be-adopted Anthony Lamb, the other victims were identified by authorities and friends as three children adopted by the Manns _ Elizabeth, 15; Johnny, 13; and Heaven, 3 _ and the couple's nieces, Ashley Keen, 13, and Miranda Finn, 8.

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2006/01/26/ap/headlines/d8fckta83.txt


To lose all this on one day. I can not imagine the pain.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:15 PM
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10. I am always amazed more bicyclists aren't killed.
I see them driving in the middle of the road, not following the rules, etc. At the same time, cars aren't following the rules either, and are not allowing pedestrians to pass. I guess we will have tons of people dying because driving rules just aren't taken seriously enough.
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