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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:29 AM
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Keyes puts sex organs on the table
"clarifying" his earlier comments...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-keyes02.html

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"In a homosexual relationship, there is nothing implied except the self-fulfillment, contentment and satisfaction of the parties involved in the relationship," said Keyes, who holds a Ph.D from Harvard University. "That means it is a self-centered, self-fulfilling, selfish relationship that seeks to use the organs intended for procreation for purposes of pleasure. The word pleasure in Greek is hedone and we get the word hedonism from that word."


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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:32 AM
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1. What bull crap
What about post menoposal hetero couples? I guess they are hedonists too since there is no possibility of procreation.



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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:37 AM
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5. Not to mention birth control!!
This is what people need to be told about the right wing. If sex for pleasure is bad, that means that even birth control is bad, because why else do you take it?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:38 AM
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6. maybe he'll be forced to say hedonism is a good thing, if he keeps
flapping his mouth on this topic. What a joy for the Republican party - they have unleashed Keyes' mouth and he's getting broad coverage.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:35 AM
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2. Keyes is such a bombastic mainstream republican. n/t
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:35 AM
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3. Well, he's right, as far as that goes.
But, the idea that, in any two people, the desire to join lives in a long-term, monogomous, relationship is purely hedonistic unless procreation is involved is simply ridiculous. Human motivations are much more complex than that and a "Ph.D." from Harvard should be ashamed of himself for implying that they aren't. Once you began to make the equation of "love" and "hedonism" then you no longer have any values left, at all (much less "family" ones).
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:36 AM
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4. transcript and audio of Keyes interview with Mike Signorile
here is a link which has the transcript and audio of his interview with Signorile (about said organs and acts):

http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_08_29_americablog_archive.html#109408807453129635

Keep reading after that entry because there are three more:

Backlash builds after Keyes remarks

Chicago Trib calls Michael Reagan homophobic

IL GOP demands Keyes apologize for his "idiotic" statement about Mary Cheney
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:40 AM
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7. I want to sincerely thank the RNC for putting Keyes on the ballot!
This is so much to watch, listen to and read!
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:54 AM
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8. i bet Keyes gets busted for soliciting a prostitute in the next 5 years
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 10:54 AM by Smirky McChimpster
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:01 AM
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10. next two months
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:29 PM
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14. ha ha ha ha ha
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 09:30 PM by dymaxia
...in the neighborhood where he allegedly resides, all he'd have to do is walk a block or so. :)
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:58 AM
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9. If God had wanted sex to be pleasurable,
he would have made it........aaaah?????? Never mind.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:09 AM
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11. yes? we're waiting!

To think that some Dems wanted to off Keyes from the ballot?
This is the best thing since liced bread (I hate commercial sliced pseudoWanderBread - no redeeming quality at all)

Anyone catch Obama's joke about feeling lonely?

Say, when is the first debate?
I gotta make time for that.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:12 AM
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12. he is bigtime alienating
almost every repuke except the most conservative and he won't listen to any of the advisers. But he is in fact in line with the extremist GOP platform (they just don't want us idiots to know that). I almost at times want to feel sorry for some of the more moderate ones, except did ONE OF THEM challenge that extremist platform? Not that I know.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:50 AM
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13. well... at least Keyes is predictable.
But I'm developing this tinfoil hat theory that Keyes is actually a mole who's trying to destroy the IL GOP once and for all!

I bet he has a James Bond super spy watch and everything!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 04:20 PM
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15. How dare they!
How dare they seek self-fulfilment, contentment and satisfaction! THAT is why there should be a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, because those gays will just go off and use their organs for pleasure! Hetrosexual people don't do selfish crap like that, thus the sanctity of marriage is preserved!


In case it's not obvious, I'm being sarcastic. :+
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:48 PM
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16. So, according to Keyes, one shouldn't enjoy sex?
Just because Keyes has never been able to enjoy sex doesn't mean that he should ruin it for the rest of us!
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