Illinois Smokers,

[kster]

In fairness to Proprietors, Employees, Smokers and Non Smokers, the new Illinois smoking law should read like this...

For Bars, Restaurants, Bowling Alleys and Casinoes.

Smoking for even numbered addresses on even numbered calendar days is permitted.

Smoking for odd numbered addresses on odd numbered calendar days is permitted.

Employees can apply for Non Smoking or Smoking days.

[truebrit71]

1. Or you can do what I did. Quit.

You'll feel better and you'll have given yourself a pay raise as well.

[kster]

2. Or we could build fairness into a law

I'm not ready to quit, but

Congratulations on quiting. I wish you the best :thumbsup:

[Gary Kleppe]

3. Fairness?

A fair law would say that you are free to poison yourself by breathing toxic crud, but not in a place where anyone else would be forced to breathe it too. Your right to kill yourself ends where my right (or that of anyone who happens to work in a bar, restaurant, etc.) to live begins.

[kster]

5. I agree, with you 100%

Anti-Smokers and Smokers would never have to be together in any public place. The employee that wants to work in a non-smoking place also has the option.

I agree with you, You should not have to breath in my second hand smoke, Thats what this idea is about.

Read the post again.

[mopinko]

4. so people get to choose between eating and dieing?

people who don't want to breathe that crap can only work 3 or 4 days a week?
smokers need to get over it. i'm glad this has passed. people should not be competing on the basis of which bar will kill you faster. this is the only way i see to have a level playing field.

[kster]

6. No, if they choose to work in a non-smoking place

they would be able to work 7 days a week, if they want, by applying at two places with opposite addresses. Service employees have been doing this for years.

[mopinko]

7. nobody can afford to turn away smokers who can do next door.

there is only one way to do this, and that is to outlaw it, and level the playing field.
there are a lot of restaurant people in my family, and these jobs do not grow on trees. people just do not have the option of- take 2 they are small. you are dreaming.

[kster]

8. I put this idea online to share with

people and they are showing an interest in this idea of shared public places, smokers and non smokers alike. It only makes sense that in America that you are able to go to a non-smoking public place where you do not have to breath my second hand smoke but at the same time, that I am able to go to a public place that allows smoking.

Thats what this idea makes happen, on the top of the application it asks employees non-smoking only days. Its real simple and fair to employees that want to work only on non-smoking days.

Today November 5th, if you wanted to have a drink you would go to a bar with an even numbered address, I would go to a bar with an odd numbered address.

I wouldn't have to step outside because I would be there with people who smoke, and you would be at your bar with people that don't smoke.

How can you not see that as fair?

[mopinko]

9. no one is going to hire the people who say non-smoking

no employer is going to tie their own hands in this way. fair? it is a nightmare. you smokers are just gonna have to get over it.

[kster]

10. Are you kidding me, it would be to the owners advantage

to hire non-smokers for their non-smoking days as it would be to their advantage to hire smokers for their smoking days.

Non smoking employees for non smoking days = no employees going out side for 10 or 15 min cig breaks.


Employees who smoke, work on their smoking days = no employees going out side for a 10 or 15 min cig break.

Its simple math for the owners if the employees don't have to step outside they are inside waiting on customers.

Come on!!

[mopinko]

11. no, you come on.

no one wants to hire people who cannot work a full tine schedule. no one can run a restaurant with people who can only work every other day. have you ever worked in this business?

[kster]

12. Yes, I know a bit about the business

and many places have told me that they would jump on this idea in a heartbeat.

[mopinko]

13. sorry, but

bullshit.

[kster]

14. All anyone has to do is ask any bar owner if they would support

this idea. Then come back to this thread and let us know.

Its that simple.

Then we can see if it is bullshit.

[kster]

15. Illinois Smokers, Lets get this video played in every bar in Illinois...

Homage to the Smoking Ban Heroes

http://www.forces.org/Multimedia_Portal/index.php?selection=164

[saged52]

16. cool video, kster

My husband and I are both smokers; we no longer go out for dinner or to the local pubs. I haven't spent a great deal of time fighting this new law as my SIL is a singer/musician at a smoky bar in Missouri and I understand his concern that his professional life will be shortened due to smoke.
However - let's address this - - - my husband works at a coal-powered electrical plant. He is not allowed to smoke within 15 feet of a building. But - he comes home daily w/coal dust plastered to the INSIDE of his truck. It's all over his clothes and it's all over him - so you know it has to be inside of him, too. But - that's legal. It's also apparently legal for him to breath in asbestos (not checked on a regular basis), arsenic, and flue gas.
Such hypocrisy for him to have to smoke his little cig in some remote part of the parking lot - but it's just fine and dandy and legal for the 200+ employees to breath in all that other crap 24/7.
Seems like we have our priorities all screwed up, doesn't it?
peace ~

[Gary Kleppe]

17. Look....

If I had my way, I'd eliminate coal plants like the one you're talking about, and replace them with clean energy sources like wind or solar. If there's an organized campaign to make that happen, I'll gladly sign onto it.

But if you'll pardon the cliche, two wrongs don't make a right. An injustice done to your husband and his co-workers doesn't justify other injustices done to other people. It's a little like arguing that we shouldn't be concerned over shootings like the recent one at NIU because soldiers are being sent over to Iraq where the violence is orders of magnitude more deadly.

I'm sorry that you and your husband have a drug problem. You're lucky in that your particular drug of choice won't get you thrown in jail, the way certain others would. You won't even have to face mandatory treatment and supervision, something that would happen in a sane world. But if you insist on doing drugs, don't do it in a way that might expose me or my family or any other innocent persons to your poison. And don't ask the rest of us to rearrange our work or leisure schedules to accommodate your drug habit. It's not our problem. You're the one who chooses to ingest toxic waste, and it's your responsibility and yours alone to make sure that you don't inflict it on others.

[BrightKnight]

18. I can remember smoking in college classrooms 20 years ago in Chicago.

The next year the ash trays were gone and the world changed. I bet my roommate a case of beer that I could quit for a month. I have not smoked since then.

The neighborhood pubs that I remember were comfortable social centers that happened to sell beer. I doubt that a smoking ban would kill a place like that.