"United we stand, divided we fall".

[mordarlar]

Right now we are like hundreds of leaves, twirling in different directions every time a cool breeze blows. The cool (or extremely cold) breeze blows often. We need a unified voice. A voice made of the people.

I, personally, find it difficult to trust many people once they enter the arena of politics. We can, as a unified group, stand behind our chosen leader, but should they fail, they should NEVER be stronger then we are. WE ARE AMERICA. Voices, Votes, Dreams.

Right now, there is a shout. We are all held safe because too many people are looking toward us. What happens when this shout quiets to a low din again. The shouts will die down in resignation and we will all stand separate and confused. If any one of us were to disappear, would the others know it? Quite a few of us have argued loudly against the powers that be. We are not well known. We are not voices that might be missed.

We all know the new terrorist laws. Who makes these laws? The people we attack here. What is the definition of terrorist? Whatever George Bush says it is. Should he retain power, he will have more power to alter our constitution to his warped agenda. He knows, at best, he is in for four years. He knows if he wants to retain power for his group he has 4 years to do it. They did not cheat, lie and kill for nothing. They have a plan and they know they have 4 years to make their plan a working one.

Democrats need unity. There are, right now, many groups within the group. We need a common voice among them. Each appendage needs to know what the other is doing. And they all need to be able to respond to a call for action unanimously. We live in a huge country. Yes, small groups of like minds will always find each other. But several groups of like minds, cut off from each other, remain "small groups". We can never succeed like this.

I am have been waiting for someone to be the unifier we need. Sadly, my hopes wax and wane on a daily basis. I am tired and we are running out of time. In a few short weeks, we could again be in Bush's world. I will fight that this does not happen but to be unprepare, for any outcome, is vain and foolish.

I want to know i am protected as we wage this battle, buffered by people, who like me, want justice, liberty, peace, stability, hope and freedom.


Shannon

[lostnfound]

1. "the" unifier vs DNA

Almost every cell in your body contains all the DNA required to allow it to perform as a brain cell, a red blood cell, a muscle cell -- anything. When development occurs the cells start to self-organize without a single leader. They respond within their own position in the mass of cells by becoming whichever function they will eventually need to perform. This design is robust.

Sharing a common code of becoming.

A single unifier is an easy target.

Affinity groups are a good place to start.

[mordarlar]

2. are the affinity groups in contact? This is what i mean...

I do not mean an individual. But an organized, combining force, between the factions. In the body there is communication. Do we truly have this? Does each know what they other is doing? Does each know when the other is in danger?

[lostnfound]

5. Well, we have the Internet..we have Indymedia..we have DU...IOW we have..

incredibly weak organizing tools.

In comparison to the fascists, we have NOTHING.

Any suggestions?

The problem is that any organizing tool that allows people to know each other across affinity groups will be used against us once the *-regime completes its morphing (into the great ugly beast). ;-)

[mordarlar]

11. to anyone that has seen LOTR...

We need a beacon system of sorts. ; ) dunno what that would be, just really know we need one. I am still hoping all goes well in court. That we get a Senator. But we need to be prepared, in case. I hear a lot about reform. Reform elections???? Seriously? By the time there is to be another election, judging by the changes they have made already, could have things so in their pockets, that they could say directly to us i am keeping the presidency and we could DO NOTHING. Nobody ever thought we would be were we are right now. I think it is dangerous to not anticipate what moves they might make. No filibuster, nuclear option in congress = any rule they want to pass through Congress they can. We have all heard what they believe... How God by their definition works. Think about it. : /

[Not a Sheep]

3. What we needed....

I understand where you are coming from and agree with much of what you've said.

What I think we needed was someone prominent, Kerry, Edwards or Clinton to have appeared on the Today Show, 60 Minutes, etc, weeks ago to talk about their concerns over the election problems. The MSM hasn't seemed to be able to do it themselves. Someone needed to speak to the masses and make what has happened bigger news. Someone who couldn't be ignored needed to raisse the questions and "force" the MSM to talk about Ohio. I'm thankful for Jesse Jackson but frankly he is too easy for most people to dismiss.

Having all these gropups and voices online is great but we needed someone who could have attracted the world's attention to push the issues.

[mordarlar]

4. But if no leaders stand up, we need to...

are we prepared to? We need to figure this out. I do not want to wait until we need a back up plan, to have one. It should have never gone this far. We listened to leaders, tell us they would not let the powers that be steal from us again... LOOK WHERE WE ARE. I trust the strangers here more than i trust some of our leaders. I hope and pray one will stand up for us, but if they do not, let us stand up for ourselves. Criminals are ruling our country and making the laws. Laws to protect their criminal ways while silencing those of us that can see them. How far do we let it go? How long do we wait? These are things that we need to decide as a group. There is safety in numbers, and right now safety is my primary concern. I cannot shout if i am gagged. I cannot fight if i am bound. x(

[Not a Sheep]

6. How?

mordarlar:
I trust the strangers here more than i trust some of our leaders. I hope and pray one will stand up for us, but if they do not, let us stand up for ourselves.
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I can idenitfy with your desperation to find some kind of organization. As I said previously, I think it has to come from a major figure stepping into the MSM (and I'm afraid it's getting too late for that).

I guess I'm at a loss as to how we can step up for ourselves or how someone here could step up for us. Sure we can share info here and call, fax and email members of Congress but emails and faxes can be deleted and ignored. I think the average person is pretty powerless unless they come together in LARGE numbers. However it seems that marches in Washington have become so frequent that they really don't carry much weight.

I hate to be such a downer but I think it's the truth. I see alot of people here desperately trying to be positive and blowing sunshine up each other's ass. I think they're fooling themselves so they don't feel powerless and can retain some shred of hope.

[FogerRox]

7. I dont it as about leadership--its about the back bone of the people

Individuals are needed to stand up--to hit the streets--in DC -in NYC--everywhere--walk like a Ukrainian--
http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
[e-mail] /

[GetTheRightVote]

14. I agree, it is time to show that we know & will act on that knowledge

They need to see us to believe we exist, politically educated public carring signs as demanding citizens.

:kick:

[Al-CIAda]

15. Anarcho-Syndicalism 101

Anarcho-Syndicalism 101 is one hub of several for autonomous workers' movements movements around the world. The site features a Syndicalist Directory, as well as a newswire, where visitors to the site can make announcements and calls for solidarity. For further discussion this site features an area where visitors can subscribe to a variety of anarcho-syndicalist email lists, and a web-based forum.


Welcome to Anarcho-Syndicalism 101, your entry point to the global anarcho-syndicalist and revolutionary union movement. As its name suggests, this website is devoted to aiding and furthering an autonomous global movement of working class solidarity and direct action, based around the ideas and principles of anarcho-syndicalism.

http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/as.php

[mod mom]

9. John Conyers is a hero! He will lead us plus he has experience w

civil rights issues, which was a major problem in this election. We also have Cliff, Bob Fitrakis, Susan Truitt, David Lytel and Will Pitt. Sometimes people rise to the occasion and that is what these patriots have done. We don't need an actor with name notoriety, we need true patriots, who walk the walk and talk the talk and are willing to stand up and take the heat. I also disagree with your assessment of Jesse Jackson. If you have heard him speak, you will know there is conviction with each word. (IF NOT, PLEASE JOIN US IN COLUMBUS ON 1/3) the repugs will attempt to dicredit anyone who steps forward. We need brave individuals, like the ones I mentioned who are willing to fight the evil forces that are undermining our country!

[mordarlar]

10. There are quite a few people without INTERNET to know...

what is going on with Conyers. This is my problem if they can black us out on TV they keep our most common means of communication silent. I live in Ohio and plan to be there on the 3rd. :hippie: lol love the smiles here

[mbee]

8. Should the idiot squat back at the WH again we need to immediately

come together (all groups as one) and take some steps to begin to stop the Corporate media's propaganda. I wonder if we could have Move-0n do a poll and see how many people are interested in this issue. We could see if people would be willing to cancel their cable until they get the message we want the truth reported or we will no longer keep them in business.

[mordarlar]

12. "Should the idiot squat back at the WH again we need to immediately"

>>>>come together (all groups as one) and take some steps to begin to stp the Corporate media's propaganda.<<<<

I don't want to wait this long. I do not want to wait till he has resumed power unchecked. Best IMO to set something up have it in place and be PREpared.

[Al-CIAda]

13. We should also try to build alliances w/ libertarians and

other independants. Unite toward a common goal. The 9-11 truth community is one example. Not everyone on the right or non-democrat is down with the fascist pig corporate agenda.

[mordarlar]

18. i agree. I used the one title for simplicity n/t

[Lady Sonelle]

16. We NEED The SDS, The Weathermen, the Black Panthers

the SLA, the Yippies, ANYONE but the white-livered, sold-out, spineless, unprincipaled, bought, enslaved, destroyed worthless, trembling gutless fucking DEMOCRATS!

We need H. Rap Brown, Malcolm X, John F. Kennedy, Abbie Hoffman, John Lennon, Martin Luther KIng, we need LEADERS who aren't DEAD!

Fuck 'em ALL! How long will people suck on a dry rag and pretned they're getting milk?

What part of "sold down the river" is not making itself PLANGENTLY clear?!

Lady Sonelle

[mordarlar]

17. i want our leaders to add to, not BE, our power...

I think the group (all those who stand against intolerance, injustice and corrupt government) need to be the power that the leaders join. Not the other way around. We erred when we began to join the leaders instead of them joining us.