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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:45 PM
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Getting convincing election fraud evidence to Jimmy Carter
Here's an email I just sent out to all of the "Nash-ional" conference attendees. (If you came to the conference and did not get this email already, please let me know. My computer may have been taken hostage.)

Any of you DUers who have evidence to send to Carter, please do so. Though I posted this message on a "Nash-ional"-related thread, I think it deserves its own space. Here's the message about how to communicate with Jimmy Carter to get hard evidence of a stolen election (finally) into the limelight. Please keep this kicked.
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To the "Nash-ional" conference attendees:

I just received this message from one of our "Nash-ional" conference attendees. She has already done the critical groundwork today to get everything that you have to document the 2004 election theft in front of Jimmy Carter, both directly through his assistant on the newly formed election commission AND through Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

Please -- EVERYONE OF YOU -- take a half day (or more or less) to flood President Carter's office with documents and charts and graphs and reports and testimony and legal motions and web-links and, and ... that will shout loudly to an honorable and moral man that "... there ain't no pony in the pile of horseshit..." that represents the 2004 election. If everyone of you who had so much to say at Jefferson Street Missionary Baptist Church would now say it loudly (and with as much persuasive content and volume as possible) to President Carter, he may be a worthy champion and facilitator of that long-delayed shining light of corporate media coverage on the 2004 election theft.

So please read her letter below RIGHT NOW and consider doing what she asks, just as quickly as you can. If you do, we may just be moving toward helping facilitate a "Gathering" of panelists from our side for testimony to the new commission. Thanks for doing this, and not just thinking this is a good idea. Don't wait for anyone else -- we're the only ones left. Bernie
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Hi Bernie:

It's (me); we talked at the conference in Nashville this week, for which I thank you more times than I can say. Would you please pass this along, ASAP, to the other attendees, or send me your mailing list so that I can do it. THANKS!

I have been on the phone all day trying to get through to President Carter, and finally spoke to his executive assistant, NOT his Carter Center assistant. Her name is Lauren Gay, and she was very sympathetic to the idea of hearing testimony from the various groups who were in Nashville. She says that the only way to get information to her is BY MAIL. I suggest that as many organizations as possible, those with research results who would be willing to testify, especially, OVERNIGHT MAIL (with signed receipt requested) a succinct summary of your information, and a letter verifying your willingness to testify (the first hearing is this next Monday, April 18, at American University in D.C.), to:

MS. Lauren GAY
Assistant to President Jimmy Carter
Co-Chairman, Blue Ribbon Commission on Election Reform
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Ga. 30307

I would mark this "URGENT: TIME SENSITIVE. Election Reform Information. PLEASE OPEN IMMEDIATELY."

Ms. Gay’s telephone number is: 404-420-5100 (this is the Carter Center: ask for extension 207. I had to call several times and be very specific that my subject was President Carter’s role as Commission co-chair, and his need to receive information from election reform groups, before she would talk with me. The Carter Center per se is NOT INVOLVED in this issue. But Ms. Gay says that she will welcome calls from others of you with specific information. Sending it IN WRITING is also imperative, however.

I am aware that many attendees at the Nashville Conference cast a very jaundiced eye on the Blue Ribbon Commission. I agree that it appears to have been set up as a smokescreen to detract attention from those of you doing legitimate and valuable work in researching the 2004 election. However, my own opinion is that if we merely protest Mr. Baker’s appointment as co-chair (which I definitely think should also be done), we will possibly lose a chance to get President Carter’s ear and have a public forum to air your many findings of egregious election abuse. Just my opinion.

Also, I spoke about this with Congresswoman McKinney after her address to our conference. She told me she believes Mr. Carter to be an honest broker, and says that she will help us in our attempt to get useful information to him. You can send the same information that you mail to Ms. Gay to Congresswoman McKinney at:

hugh.esco@mail.house.gov This is the email of Rep. McKinney’s executive assistant; she has promised to pass it along to President Carter. Please mark it clearly in the subject line as being for Pres. Carter in his capacity as Co-Chair of the Commission, to be forwarded by Rep. McKinney.

Thank you all for the work you have done. I was so inspired by everyone at the conference. Feel free to email me with your opinions on the above topic(s) or anything else.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 06:55 PM
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:14 PM
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2. Here's the first letter to President Carter from a Nashville speaker
President Jimmy Carter
Co-Chairman, Blue Ribbon Commission on Election Reform
c/o Ms. Lauren Gay
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Ga. 30307

Dear President Carter,

Please let me introduce myself. I was a civilian employee of the Naval Research Laboratory for 33 years until my retirement in 2001 after 33 years service as a Research Physicist. My research repeatedly proved relevant. Ten years ago I carried out an urgent project to test the radiation hardness of fiber-optic image guides that were virtually ready to install on the Seawolf (SSN21). I proved that this image-guide system would fail the first moment there was a radiation leak in the reactor compartment, thus obviating discovering this flaw while at sea. (I published the pure-science component of this study as: D.L. Griscom, J. Appl. Phys. 78, 6696 (1995)).

But today I am writing you on a matter that I consider to be a far greater danger to our country, namely, the apparent national-scale theft of the last election. I have just returned from National Election Reform Conference in Nashville, where I listened to many speakers who presented shocking evidence of pervasive electoral cheating. I myself spoke on an investigation by John Brakey and me that points strongly to substantial ballot-box stuffing by colluding poll workers out here in Tucson, where John was Democratic Cluster Captain for four precincts in Arizona's predominately Hispanic 7th Congressional District. Please refer to the PowerPoint presentation that I showed in Nashville, as well as the Excel "balance sheet" it is based on, both found on the enclosed CD.

I believe that as Co-Chair of the upcoming Blue Ribbon Commission on Electoral Reform, you will be in the ideal position to bring to the attention of the American people many of the things that the "mainstream" media have dared not report. So, please familiarize yourself with the enclosures, as well as the materials that I expect that you will be receiving from other attendees of the "Nash-ional" Conference.

If you should decide to take on this menace, I stand ready to testify at the hearings if summoned.

Very truly yours,


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:48 PM
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3. Excellent letter, Fly!
I hope this approach to get his attention works. I emailed the Carter Center several times a while back, and never received a response. It looks like you have a much better chance of getting through to him. Please keep us posted. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do.

Melissa
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:25 PM
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4. that is a great letter
and I will work on collecting together what I have to send a letter.
Thanks again Bernie for holding the conference.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:22 AM
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:25 PM
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5. Thanks For this. wonder... if everyone who sends something to Carter and
at the same time sent it to Diane Rehm or Talk of the Nation (or something like that -- a media outlet that we ALL send to -- those two just jump to mind because they are hour long shows) -- do you think we could kick this back into media light?

In any case -- I'll send something. Thanks for all you do! Thanks for what EVERYONE has done!


NGU!
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:25 AM
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11. kick
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:45 PM
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6. Is the hearing public (can be televised)? Will these people testify?
I'm assuming the hearing is public. If so, I will mount a major campaign to get C-Span to broadcast it. Please confirm it will be televised ASAP (if you know it will) so I can get to work on this. If you don't know, I will call Ms. Gay tomorrow to confirm this. <Possibly I should call anyway since the hearing may already be scheduled for broadcast on C-Span.>
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These people from your list would be very good to have public testimony from. (I'm sure others would be good too, but these are ones that stood out for me the most.) Do you know if they will be available for this hearing?

Cliff Arnebeck, Ohio, Alliance for Democracy
Bob Fitrakis, Ohio, www.freepress.org
Andy Stephenson, Washington, VoteTrust USA
Kathy Dopp, Utah, US Count Votes <Someone from UScountvotes MUST testify>
Josh Mitteldorf, Pennsylvania, exit poll researcher, US Count Votes
Brad Friedman, California, BradBlog/Velvet Revolution
David Cobb, California, 2004 Green Party Presidential candidate
Susan Truitt, Ohio, Citizens’ Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE)-America
Clinton Curtis, Florida, election fraud whistle-blower

Steve Freeman would be an excellent addition - we should contact him.
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I've done a lot of research on this hearing, and although there are some potential problems (Baker chief among them), I do believe we should throw our full support behind them at this time. We can judge the true intent after the 18th, assuming we have done our job of offering balanced testimony.

This first hearing is in Washington D.C. The second one (in June) is in Texas at the Rice U Baker Center. Obviously, if at all possible, it would be best to present our strongest case, up front, in this first hearing.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:06 AM
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:17 AM
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8. I sent McKinney's assistent the following
A combination of documenation and analysis by researchers at the Nashville Conference on 2004 Election Irregularities makes a strong case that Kerry won Ohio, and the U.S. total vote

http://www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:58 AM
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9. Kick, and thank you. n/t
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:50 PM
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:29 PM
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13. Kick........n/t
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:42 PM
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14. Are we shooting ourselves in the foot? On Strategy
I'm very excited to hear all the good reports coming out of the Nashville conference. This direct link to the Carter Commission is one possibly very important result of the conference.

I know we're all very anxious to expose the evidence we've spent months (sometimes years) collecting to the light of day, and many of us have a high degree of trust in Jimmy Carter in regards to issues of election integrity.So of course this looks like a great opportunity.

Something about it looks dangerous to me, though, and I'd like to ask your help in thinking it through. This commission, while headed by Carter, is reportedly loaded with people--beginning with Baker--who look to be there to prevent the commission from accomplishing anything that would be supported by the election reform movement. Given that, it seems possible to me that sending them all our evidence could be counterproductive. How? If the commission looks at it and then issues a report that dismisses our evidence, future opportunities to present that evidence could be greeted with the attitude "Oh, the Carter commission already looked at that and decided it was nothing."

I'm not advocating passing by this opportunity, but simply that we think about it critically before jumping in with both feet. (I seem to be treading heavily on foot metaphors today for some reason.) Might it make sense to hold off until after this first hearing to get a sense of what the commission is doing? Or to submit some of our evidence but not all of it? Or to request some kind of guarantees from Carter about how the evidence will or will not be used? These ideas are off the top of my head. I'm trying to invite discussion here, not advocate a particular strategy.

Please understand that I am not asking people to abandon their efforts to bring their evidence to light. I know I already said that, but I'm fearing that I'll be accused of being obstructionist. I think the idea of simultaneously sending the evidence to someone in the media could help, but it still wouldn't prevent the problem I outlined above.

Perhaps it would make sense to submit evidence that's already available on the web, such as the USCountVotes exit poll study, but withhold information that has not yet been made public for the time being.

I invite constructive discussion of these ideas.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 03:49 PM
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 05:48 PM
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16. I agree, emlev.
Strategy is everything at this point.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:34 PM
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17. So what do you think makes sense to do?
I'm frustrated that this post hasn't begun a discussion of this topic. People who presented in Nashville are being asked to submit their evidence, and I don’t know yet how many of them are doing so. Any thoughts about how else to bring this question to their attention? I've also posted it to the USE email list, but no replies there, either.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:11 PM
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18. Since there are five threads on the "Nash-ional" conference now ...
... on the front page of this forum (and three on the "Greatest" page), and there have been as many as eight at one time on this forum in the past few days, I know it is hard to keep track of everything positive that is going on as a consequence of the "Nash-ional" conference. I had already posted this letter to Jimmy Carter several days ago on the "I Showed Up..." thread, but for those of you who haven't found it yet, here is an excellent summary of what Carter needs to know. Fortunately, many of the speakers who came to Nashville are already sending Carter material. (From what I have heard, Carter's office is being inundated now.)

At this point, the best strategy is to do something. Talk is cheap (and getting less expensive by the day). As we say here in the South, "Pray to God, but row toward shore."
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April 12, 2005
Ms. Lauren Gay
Assistant to President Jimmy Carter
Co-Chairman, Blue Ribbon Election Reform Commission
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Ga. 30307

Dear Ms. Gay:

Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am, as requested, sending you some material for President Carter in his capacity as co-chairman of the Blue Ribbon Commission on Election Reform, which will hold hearings at American University next Monday, April 18.

I have requested several representatives of well-established and hard-working citizens’ voting rights organizations to contact you by mail at the Carter Center. You should perhaps keep an eye out for mailings to your attention labeled "URGENT: TIME SENSITIVE. Election Reform Information. PLEASE OPEN IMMEDIATELY."

Enclosed here please find:

· Ohio’s Odd Numbers, an article by Christopher Hitchens published Feb. 20, 2005 in Vanity Fair: This is a well-written, mainstream press piece giving background on not only the obvious problems in Ohio (long lines in minority precincts, selective paucity of voting machines), but documenting VERY SUSPICIOUS tallies in certain predominantly black counties. I believe, as do many others, that these are not isolated “glitches,” but a peek at the visible results of largely hidden electronic fraud.

· Analysis of the 2004 Presidential Election Exit Poll Discrepancies, released March 31, 2005 (updated April 11, 2005) : a multi-author, peer-reviewed study of the Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 Report (released January 19, 2005). This study was backed by the Utah-based non-profit corporation, US Count Votes. Their concluding sentence reads: “The absence of any statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that demands a thorough and unblinking investigation.”

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf

· An “Executive Summary” of the above report, written by one of its authors, Josh Mittledorf, Ph.D., Temple University Statistics Department

· A fact sheet prepared by Judith Alter, Ed.D, titled “Santa Fe County: 2004 Election and the Straight Party Option.” Dr. Alter’s data suggests that machine-tallied votes in this county may have been erroneous because machines were calibrated to tally straight party votes in a way that significantly benefited Mr. Bush.

· Material from a presentation by Larry P. English (given at the Nashville Conference for Election Reform, April 8-10, 2005), titled “Information Quality Improvement for Sustainable Election Reform.” His website: http://www.infoimpact.com/

· A Fact Sheet presented by Bernard Windham, a member of Common Cause from Florida, who has undertaken a heroic analysis of the thousands of specific complaints made by voters from around the country to the EIRS election day Hotline. This link, http://www.flcv.com/summary.html, will open a file containing links to state by state complaints.

· A troubling PRESS RELEASE from Mr. Brad Friedman (www.velvetrevolution.us) titled: American Center for Voting Rights & the Baker/Carter Commission on Federal election Reform: The Fix Is In. This report details the problems with a “voting rights” group, the ACVR (American Center for Voting Rights) which is slated to testify before the Carter/Baker Blue Ribbon Commission. Please bring this to President Carter’s attention.

. A fact sheet (“North Carolina’s ballot blues”) from Joyce McCloy, coordinator of the N.C. Coalition for Verified Voting, a non-partisan organization of citizens from across the state who are very concerned that North Carolina is moving forward with the implementation of DRE's (electronic voting machines) that are not secure, not reliable and not voter verifiable. They call for improved security and increased transparency in all election systems used in North Carolina. www.ncvoter.net

· A fact sheet from The Open Voting Consortium, a not-for-profit organization dedicated to developing open voting systems. The fact sheet is called “Transparent Liberty: Accountable Election Systems.” http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/

· A document posted on the website of the non-partisan voters’ rights organization Voters Unite .org (http://www.votersunite.org/), titled “Restoring Confidence to Voters.” This is a report from the Independent Election Committee appointed by the Mercer County Board of Commissioners documenting voting problems from Nov. 2004 in Mercer County, Pennsylvania.

· An “Official Ohio Recount Affidavit” from Dr. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D., professor at the University of Oregon, in which he documents his own exhaustive research into election fraud in Ohio. (I heard Dr. Phillips speak at the Nashville Conference, and he was very thorough and convincing.) The “Affidavit” can be found at: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0412/S00167.htm?mode=print


Ms. Gay: I could provide you and President Carter with much more documentation of the selfless efforts of these and other real citizen-patriots. Many have long worked toward President Carter’s stated goal for the Blue Ribbon Election Commission: an election system that “will make America proud again.” Their information should be publicly noted and they should be invited to testify at American University on April 18, 2005.

Sincerely,





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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 03:00 AM
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19. Think you got that one right...
Guess who is in charge of most of the Election Commission? People working with Carlyle group just another front of the wonderful united states cult...

Your people there in this election reform group on capital hill may just choose to shred your evidence, deleting it from the record. Jimmy Carter may be in kahootz with them.

Just don't tell me a guy named Thomas Dodd is going to be there.....They all work for the CFR, a huge number of democrats and republicans and independants both.

You know there are other avenues to get the blue ribbon groups on the ball....Like faxing the US count votes report to Congressmen, and try to get someone's interest.

I know there's alot of Jim Dyke level stooges all over this....
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