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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:27 AM
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Interesting conversation with newsroom personnel last night.
I went to a cocktail party where I ran into several reporters and editors who work for a paper with a daily circulation of 86,349 and a Sunday circulation of 110,171. I asked them why election fraud wasn't being addressed by the media. The answers I received were surprising and in my opinion somewhat ridiculous.

The Chiquita Banana scandal was referenced and I was told that media outlets were now afraid to do investigative journalism because of the potential legal problems associated with it. One gentleman suggested that newspapers were avoiding these types of stories because they are PR driven by the marketing departments which have determined that readers do not want stories about election fraud. WTF? My suggestion that corporate ownership, profit margins, pandering to advertisers, and laziness thanks to "source bias" was met with grudging acknowledgment that this could be part of it too. Ay yi yi!

Now as an aside, one of the editors mentioned a friend of his who went to work for the Atlanta Journal & Constitution as their "numbers guy." He said this man called him in the late afternoon / early evening on election day and said, "Break out the champagne, we have a new president!" The man I spoke to told him to be a bit more cautious and the AJC employee said, "Don't be ridiculous, numbers don't lie. I've got all the exit polling data and it's Kerry."

The man I was speaking to went on to demonstrate decent knowledge about exit polling and knew it's history in England and it's demonstrated track record. Yet even he didn't seem alarmed enough with the "official results" to raise a stink. The entire staff was floored when I mentioned the 250 million to one odds against a legitimate Bush win. (I hope I got that probability figure correct, but whatever.)

Bottom line though. These media people are aware of it but they are convinced that the American people don't care! It came across to me like corporate brainwashing. Someone above them is telling them this is a non-story....because we don't want to hear it. What kind of astounding crap is that???

One woman said that if the story breaks wide open, don't look for it in a newspaper. Magazines will have to lead the way. Why?

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Paul Dlugokencky Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:29 AM
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1. Dereliction of Duty!
Corporatists first, journalists second (if even that!)



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:33 AM
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2. Well, seeing as the Journos were the LAST to be notified
...during the recent Cessna dust-up in DC, we can figure out where they place in the grand pecking order!
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:36 AM
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3. What Makes You Think The People Care? ...
What makes you think the powers that be, care about what the people care about?

Why do you care?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:37 AM
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4. most American citizens don't care because they can't think that hard
or deep.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:52 PM
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19. Hey, I am getting real tired of this slander against Americans!
1. American voters grokked all the B.S. coming from these jokers, and voted the Bush Cartel out!

2. All opinion polls show record disapproval of Bush, with huge disapproval of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, up in the 60% to 70% range. My favorite: 63% of Americans disapprove of torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. (And what do we get? Alberto Gonzales for A.G.!)

3. Citizens gave the Democrats a blowout success in new voter registration in 2004 (nearly 60/40)! You can't tell me they don't care. And came out in unprecedented numbers to vote. Gore voters got their non-voting family members, friends and co-workers to vote this time. Most new voters voted for Kerry. The vast majority of Nader voters switched to Kerry--to get Bush out. Some stood in ten hour lines in the rain to vote. Don't care? Unh-uh.

4. Many Americans have devoted their lives to stopping Bush's war, exposing his election fraud and getting election and political reform. Never sneer at such commitment! --even if it gets no publicity from the news monopolies, and seems to be only a few. A million of us marched against this war in Feb. '03, and were ignored or marginalized. Nearly 60% of Americans opposed the war right up to the invasion; that dipped during the fighting, obviously out of concern for US troops in battle, then went right back up to nearly 60% today, STILL opposed! We shall overcome some day. That's what you should be saying. Not: we don't care.

There is a difference between NOT CARING and being IGNORED AND MARGINALIZED. The difference is power. The majority has been deliberately and systematically disempowered over a long period of time, but most significantly on Nov. 2, 2004, the coup de grace of disempowerment.

You walk down the street and randomly stop a number of people, and ask them, "Do you care if America invaded another country with no justification, and killed 100,000 innocent people, and is now occupying that country?" or "Do you care that the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer as deliberate government policy?" or "Does it worry you that the environment, the cost of medical care and other vital issues are not getting proper attention, and that our current government is always on the wrong side of these issues?"

You'll find that they DO care--many of them deeply. What you will also find, though, is that most of them feel helpless and disempowered.

So stop saying they don't care. That's lazy! And start working on empowerment! Remember that old '60s cry, "Power to the people!" Boy, is that ever relevant now!

There is REASON why Americans have been subjected to an "Iron Curtain" over the real news, and why their right to vote has been taken away from them, and why they don't know about it. America is the vortex of corporate rule over the globe--and ALSO is the potential vortex of profound change, toward global peace and justice. If our Constitution were still operable, we would be leading the world in efforts to stabilize our planetary environment, and to promote economic fairness, the success of new democracy movements (in Latin America, for instance), disarmament and peaceful resolution of conflicts. We were starting to do just that in the Seattle protests against the World Trade Organization in 1999. Our global corporate rulers FEAR us. They fear Americans' potential legal power to put a stop to their piracy.

So I say again, "Power to the people!" That what's we need to work for, and ensure. I think there is only a small minority who are oblivious, selfish or crazy. The majority (and I think that includes a significant number of Republicans) are very concerned, and were informed enough by alternative news sources and savvy enough to vote the Bush Cartel out, but are very poorly informed on why it didn't work. Many undoubtedly feel depressed and resigned.

That's what we have to change.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:47 PM
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21. I'm with you on this one. Many people would care a lot if they knew. Most
don't know they aren't getting real news. If you're not getting your news online, or listening to AAR, how would you know you aren't getting real news?
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:41 AM
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5. What Is "The Chiquita Banana scandal?"
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:00 AM
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11. Synopsis here (link)
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:30 PM
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20. Cincinnati Enquirer reporter/s messed up on that one. Reporter used
information that he got illegally. But that makes reporters not be reporters anymore??? Don't they know the proper ways of getting information?

It sucks that they are scared to not dig deep, and deeper still to get a story -- that's what they get paid for doing, after all. Since most of us here have other lives/jobs on top of being irked about the election and researching it in our spare time, you would think that One or Two reporters would have the metal to seek out the story.

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:42 AM
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6. Why would we care?
The election for the highest office in the land? The office that has the power to propose and, more recently, put us into a war without end? And they think we don't want to hear it?

What is the matter with them? Don't they ever think?
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:47 AM
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9. Think? Get Real, TV Does All My Thinking ...
the masses certainly do not want to be bothered.

Had the attacks on September 11, 2001 occurred in Canada, London or Tokyo, most citizens of USA would not care at all.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:29 PM
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14. Finally! Someone more cynical than I am.
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:29 PM by autorank
TV used to do all my thinking until I stopped watching, now it's the refrigerator.

We might not worry much about a terrorist attack in those countries but it that were followed by a Tsunami, we'd give them some money. WTF?

I see the public as divided between Wrestling and Boxing fans. You go to a wrestling match and it's a real freak show. Your biggest danger is one of them might sit on you. At a boxing match, there are all sorts of people, many of whom might do some real damage if you mouth off. It's the difference between the fantasy and reality-based community.

I agree with your skepticism, most people are wrestling fans. The boxing fans do care
Lampley's Column. They just don't know the deal yet. If we get that minority informed then they will be angry and something may be done.

My refrigerator is calling.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:43 AM
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7. Newspapers are running scared
Circulations keep dropping because people are turning to the INTERNET and cable TV for their news. The general public isn't buying newspapers as much as they use to. Newspapers are cutting their staff. Even magazines are starting to lose readers. But magazines that cater to the taste of the idle rich are still doing fine.

My theory is that the middle class is in debt and out of money and can't afford newspapers when they can get the info off the INTERNET. I've even stopped my subscription to several magazines because I couldn't see spending the money. Newspapers and magazines are a luxury that is the first to go when times are tough.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:45 PM
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18. Come on. They go to the Net because they can't get the real NEWS
The readers who are tired of the propaganda and can think for themselves, that is..

To say they're doing it to save 4 bucks a week is not giving them any credit at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:45 AM
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8. It's major league denial
We were invited to a post-election meeting here in SF. A decompressing, new goal setting kind of deal.

I spoke right up about the theft and our host in the same breathe said he'd already agreed with me but also intimated that he wanted me to drop it.

At least I got to ask the whole room, "Do any of you really think Bu$h won?"

Btw, Lawrence Ferlinghetti was in attendance. That kind of deal.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:56 AM
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10. Amazing how Americans don't care about WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW!
We've gone from 20% of the country thinking the 2004 election was stolen to 35%. At what point will the stolen election become a story Americans "care about"?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:02 PM
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12. smug collaborators to treason. blech
ptooey. :puke:

We won't forget their role, no matter what reasons they use to excuse themselves.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:08 PM
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13. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK NOW!!!!! n/t
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:37 PM
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15. PP, you forgot about Google...its Florida Today
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:47 PM by TruthIsAll
Circulation FAQs
... As reported in the March 2000 ABC Audit, our daily circulation is 86349 and Sunday circulation is 110171. We distribute throughout Brevard County and ...
www.floridatoday.com/services/welcome/circulationfaq.htm - 27k - May 14, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:38 PM
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17. LOL! How do you think I got the numbers?
Yes, it's Florida Today. Flagship of the Gannett Empire.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:38 PM
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16. Magazines do lead the way.
I don't know why, but perhaps there's less censorship, less MSM ownership, etc. Lots of stuff has come out in the New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Harpers, etc. Knight-Ridder has also been pretty good on some issues.

As far as the AJC, look at the Cox family. I think Cathy Cox (Ms. Diebold of GA) is in bed with them. Dems are complicit in some states.
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