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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:15 AM Original message |
Ron Baiman explains USCV position and how it relates to Febble's work |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. it's debatable |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. According to that very paper the mean... |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Linear regression masks what is happening at the ends of the ranges |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. not a straw man, actually -- bear with me |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. OnTheOtherHand, you can try to fit an obfuscation curve through this... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. thanks for the "gentlemanly" part, TIA! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. Your Bush/Kerry partisanship focus is a red herring... |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. "just another prop in a long line of distractions". GREAT SUMMARY TIA! n/t |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Still waiting for a thoughtful argument. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. hmm |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. You are misstating Ron's argument. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. reproducing shapes |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. As far as whether I found anything else in your post #4 that made sense, |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. most of this |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. What Ron points to as his main conclusion |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. but not very far |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You don't think they agree on Ron's main point? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. sorry, it's not the same point |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Well, then, what is your understanding of what Mitofsky is saying? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. OK - can you point to |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Here is where Mitofsky used it: |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I'm sorry, I really did not mean to insult. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Thanks. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. yes, I think that's right |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. No, but I thought the bias was the plot you were |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I think we are back where we were before Mitofsky made that comment on MP |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You might have meant to respond to OTOH |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. Fraud in Bush strongholds??? Are we forgetting that |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Bill, you are part right, part wrong. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. TIA, I am going by Mitofsky's and USCV's definition of "Bush stronghold" |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. Thanks for posting this eomer. It helps to undo some of the "spin"... |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 06:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. A quick summary of what I've seen here, AND A CHALLENGE |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 07:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. oh, there you are |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 07:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. A USCV cover up, you allege? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. try me again |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Still obsessing on an alleged flaw in a prior iteration. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. To clarify: |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. On May 19 you started a thread: |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That thread |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. So YOU agree! "It makes our "implausibility of rBr" claim stronger." |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 06:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Here are USCV's recommendations |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. For the record, do YOU, or do you NOT agree with... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I'm doing my best here, Tom |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Febble, your best is not good enough. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 01:08 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I don't know! |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. The abstract is only 6 short paragraphs. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 07:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Yes |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. actually, I've criticized the 5/22 report as well |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. whoops, I'm not nuts, just really confused.... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. IMHO, your role is quite biased. You have said enough already... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. may the record reflect |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 06:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Yes, but I fixed it right away. THE EAST WAS THE BEAST. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. yes, you did. n/t |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. "If you want to talk about coverups, I can document how USCV's..." |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 05:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. gee guy, thanks for sharing |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. So which IS it really? USCV cover-up, or not? |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Sorry, but there is no reason to consider 9 PHD's disturbed. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. I think the obfuscation is mostly on your end |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. And there YOU go again. LOL Ignored the challenge and obfuscated |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Tom, you know |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Febble,You told me |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I'm not trying to discredit the exit polls. |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Full disclosure, and clarity is the only way to go |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 06:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. hmm |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. The final exit poll data was leaked and downloaded at 12:22am by Simon. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. well... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 1:25PM TO |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. it wouldn't take long, actually |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. OTOH, your back-flips are getting old... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I'm confused again |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 06:22 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Let me educate you with the facts.. |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
67. I think TIA explained this well, I would only add... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. well, it COULD be |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 06:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOUR NAME. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. okay, I DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOUR NAME EITHER (grin) |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. OTOH, this is an anonymous forum, you don't need to give your name. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. fair enough |
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