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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:09 AM
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PA: Democrat's spokeperson says optical scan does not have a paper trail
What is he talking about?

Republicans claim machine suit could have been averted

By PATRICK CLOONAN, Daily News Staff Writer

04/14/2006

A day after a lawsuit was filed against Allegheny County's choice of electronic voting machines, Republican county councilors said an option ignored by the county could have averted legal action.

"Numerous experts spoke at several county meetings and expressed the only logical choice was to select the optical scan machines," Councilman Dave Fawcett, R-At Large, said Thursday.

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DeFazio could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman for the county executive said the Republicans are wrong on two counts and violate Pennsylvania's constitution with their third.

"The ES&S iVotronic machines are fully HAVA compliant," spokesman Kevin Evanto said. "They have been certified by both the U.S. government and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The optical scan machine does not have a voter-verifiable paper trail."

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16480829&BRD=1282&PAG=461&dept_id=182121&rfi=6

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:17 AM
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1. How can any elected official remain so dangerously ignorant
of the process that put him into office?

This is one Democrat who needs to be removed if he can't be educated.

It's true the scanners themselves produce little in the way of a verifiable process. However, the ballots are PAPER and can be hand counted and should be, as a spot check to make sure those scanners haven't been hacked.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:49 AM
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2. Maybe ES&S designed a new optical scan machine
That feeds into a shredder.:evilgrin: :spank: :spank: :spank:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:54 PM
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4. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahah


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:50 PM
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3. I think he meant
that optical scanners don't have a paper tail.

: O
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 03:55 PM
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5. The election is a sham and just a performance now with ES&S
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 03:58 PM by shance
The fix is so very in folks, and there is really only one concrete way to stop the fraud as far as I can see.

The only way to unfix the elections is to go public/citizen run elections and tabulations and viewings of the votes which of course are paper ballots.

Our Democracy is dependent upon our active participation, community involvement, and ensuring fairness for all. That has been taken over by a strong influx of power mongers and cheaters in our positions of leadership from city council all the way up.

Otherwise, its all just an act for the citizens to believe that an election is actually occuring.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:37 PM
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6. Most people do not understand because


the MSM has not informed us at all about it.

That is why I keep asking the question ~ where is the PLAN to inform ALL Americans about this critical issue?

Where is the Communications Strategy?

DU is way , way ahead of the average Democrat on this issue and the Republicans don't even have to know about it, they have the machines rigged now for 05.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:36 AM
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7. kick.nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:56 AM
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8. Kick to the top...(nt)
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:55 AM
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9. Evanto is goofy and his boss Onorato could have avoided the whole thing...
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 07:58 AM by demodonkey

...long ago. They could have bought Optical Scan. OR...

Allegheny County could have purchased AccuPoll way back last August (it was certified August 4 in PA.) They would have had machines that are a heck of a lot more transparent, accessible, and "third party" than ES&S iVotronics -- and they would have had them IN PLACE BY NOW.

And AccuPoll, with a large contract from a big county, would likely have been able to hang on and grow financially instead of going bankrupt. They would have sent their modified voter-verified paper record system to ITA and state certification (which the PA Department of State said probably WOULD be certifiable in PA because they had corrected the secrecy and voters taking the paper out of the poll issues) and Pennsylvania probably would have had at least one legal VVPR system (other than ES&S Op-scan which has Automark, and the Diebold and Hart "blended" Op-Scan systems which force the disabled onto paperless DREs.)

With our #2 largest county buying, AccuPoll would have likely gotten more contracts in other counties, so PA wouldn't be facing two-thirds of our state in the paperless clutches of the "big two" ES&S and Diebold, as we are now.

I know there are many on here who don't like DREs, but if you are going to have one, believe me an AccuPoll system is FAR preferable to one from the Big Two.
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