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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:08 AM
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Diebold video, 46 seconds, at "Current TV" website.
Watch it and vote to "greenlight" it (tell them to show it on TV), at:
http://www.current.tv/studio/media/5970347

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:16 AM
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1. that is just perfect!
so simple and perfect! Thank you Eric! I hope it makes it to TV.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 07:03 AM
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2. that is a scream!
Makes the point in such a simple way. Plus it's funny!




Cher
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 07:03 AM
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3. I don't know
I don't like it..The computer thing if used at all was barley needed for the crap they pulled to steal the election. They did a lot of stuff that was legal...dirty, unhanded and legal and a lot of old time dirty tricks we thought we where past..Just focusing on the computers over simplifies what really happened . In reading RFK's article it sound to me like election could be stolen without the help of hacked computers...the computers...it seem to me to be just a back up.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 07:53 AM
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4. There are lots of dirty tricks, but the ability of an electronic
voting machine company to determine the outcome of an election is a step above everything else.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:12 AM
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5. I agree in part
the computer problem is important it just seems to me they could steal the next election without it. While it is important to fix the computer thing I think it is just as important that we don't loose sight of the other shit they pulled.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 01:45 PM
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16. No chance of that. There's another epiphany for you.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:03 AM
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6. HUH
They did a lot of stuff that was legal...


Yeah sure. . . .

3 Ohio election officials are indicted, for NO GOOD REASON, what they did was legal? NO... they were indicted for GOOD REASON.

Would you like a list of violations of Federal Statutes in 2004?

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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:35 PM
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19. what they did
They did a lot of stuff that was legal...


Yeah sure. . . .

3 Ohio election officials are indicted, for NO GOOD REASON, what they did was legal? NO... they were indicted for GOOD REASON.

Would you like a list of violations of Federal Statutes in 2004?
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I am not saying they did everything legal just that a lot was legal or at least it was until it made its way through the court system ..by the time they where told no you can't do that the damage was done.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:58 PM
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29. Friend.. 100% of what went on in the 2004 election & recount was not legal
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 10:01 PM by FogerRox
Ive got plenty more-- please cite one legal thing Bush did to cheat? Oh wait if it was legal.. it wouldnt be cheating.... would it

From WIll Pitt at Truthout:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml

Everyone remembers Florida's 2000 election debacle, and all of the new terms it introduced to our political lexicon: Hanging chads, dimpled chads, pregnant chads, overvotes, undervotes, Sore Losermans, Jews for Buchanan and so forth. It took several weeks, battalions of lawyers and a questionable decision from the U.S. Supreme Court to show the nation and the world how messy democracy can be. By any standard, what happened in Florida during the 2000 Presidential election was a disaster.

What happened during the Presidential election of 2004, in Florida, in Ohio, and in a number of other states as well, was worse.

Some of the problems with this past Tuesday's election will sound all too familiar. Despite having four years to look into and deal with the problems that cropped up in Florida in 2000, the 'spoiled vote' chad issue reared its ugly head again. Investigative journalist Greg Palast, the man almost singularly responsible for exposing the more egregious examples of illegitimate deletions of voters from the rolls, described the continued problems in an article published just before the election, and again in an article published just after the election.

<snip>

A poster named 'TruthIsAll' on the DemocraticUnderground.com forums laid out the questionable results of Tuesday's election in succinct fashion: "To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe: That the exit polls were wrong; that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that incumbent rule #1 - undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong; That the 50% rule - an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong; That the approval rating rule - an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election - was wrong; that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail; that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000; that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election."


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From TIA:
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ELECTION 2004 BY THE NUMBERS

62.03mm Recorded Bush votes
59.03mm Recorded Kerry votes
122.3mm Total votes

16 states exceeded the MoE in favor of Bush
0 states exceeded the MoE in favor of Kerry
1 in 40:Probability a given state would exceed MoE for Bush
1 in 19 Trillion: Prob. at least 16 states exceed MoE for
Bush

22 Eastern Time Zone states
22 EST states deviated to Bush
1 in 4.2 million: Probability 22 EST states deviate to Bush

42 states deviated from exit poll to vote in favor of Bush
1 in 1.7 million:Probability at least 42 states deviate to
Bush

86 touchscreen incidents where Kerry votes switched to Bush
2 touchscreen incidents where Bush votes switched to Kerry
1 in 79,000,000,000,000,000,000,000: probability 86 to
Bush


OHIO
Recorded Vote
2.740mm (48.71%) Kerry
2.859mm (50.82%) Bush

Exit Poll
2.871 (51.03%) Kerry
2.711 (48.19%) Bush

1 in 106:Probability exit poll deviation to recorded vote


FLORIDA
40.89% Dem registration: Touchscreen counties
36.77% Repub. registration
51.30% Kerry%

41.92% Dem. registration: Optiscan counties
38.98% Repub. registration
42.27% Kerry%

National Exit Poll: Kerry % at 12:22am
50.84% Regional weights (13047 respondents)
50.90% State exit polls weighted by vote share
0.87% Nat Exit Poll MoE (13047 respondents)

National Exit Poll Timeline of Kerry Vote %:
50.75% 3:39pm (8349 respondents)
50.77% 7:33pm (11027 respondents)
50.80% 12:22am (13047 respondents)
47.94% 1:25pm (13660 respondents)

Kerry vote share
57% New Voters(13047 respondents)
65% Percent of Nader 2000 voters for Kerry
54% New Voters(13660 respondents)
71% Percent of Nader 2000 voters for Kerry

Kerry share of Female Vote
Pct Respondents
58% 8349
53% 11027
54% 13047
51% 13660

Party ID (Dem/ Rep / Ind)
Pct Respondents
38/35/27 13047
37/37/26 13660

How Voted in 2000:
0.87% U.S. Annual death rate
3.50% approx. percent of 2000 voters who died

50.456mm:Bush 2000 vote
48.7mm:Approximate Bush 2000 voters still alive
39.82%:Maximum % Bush 2000 voters who could vote in 2004

51.999mm:Gore 2000 vote
49.2mm:Approximate Gore 2000 voters still alive
40.25%:Maximum % Gore 2000 voters who could vote in 2004


13047 Respondents
41% Bush 2000 voters as a percentage of total vote
39% Gore 2000 voters as a percentage of total vote

13660 Respondents
43% Bush 2000 voters as a percentage of total vote
37% Gore 2000 voters as a percentage of total vote

National Census
125.7mm:Estimate of total 2004 vote
122.3mm:Recorded vote
3.4mm: Difference
0.30%: Census MoE

Exit Poll WPE Analysis by Precinct Partisanship

6.77%:Aggregate WPE (within precinct error-1250)
1.155:Minimum alpha (57.75 Kerry/ 50 Bush) required to
satisfy WPE
53%: Aggregate exit poll response rate

51.24%: Bush 2-party recorded vote
52.15%: Kerry 2-party exit poll

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NOVEMBER 3, 2004
12:23 AM

LONG AFTER THE POLLS CLOSED.

THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN.
EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
CLEAR.
UNAMBIGUOUS.

THIS WILL BECOME THE MOST FAMOUS EXIT POLL IN HISTORY.
IT WILL EDUCATE MILLIONS WHO NEVER KNEW ABOUT EXIT POLLS.
IT WILL ASTOUND MILLIONS WHO KNEW ALL ABOUT THEM.

IT IS THE TRUTH.

13,047 RANDOMLY-SELECTED VOTERS
1.0% MARGIN OF ERROR

KERRY WON THE FEMALE VOTE BY A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN BUSH WON THE MALE VOTE.

******* AND MORE WOMEN (54%) VOTED THAN MEN (46%) *********

Kerry = .54*.54+ .47*.46 = 50.78%
Bush = .45*.54+ .52*.46 = 48.22%

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST.
IT'S SIMPLE ARITHMETIC.

IT'S 1 IN 547 MILLION ODDS THAT BUSH WOULD GET 51.23% OF THE VOTE.
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Excerpts from the Conyers report:

We have found numerous serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election…Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousands of voters…raise grave doubts about whiter it can e said that the Ohio electors…were chosen in a manner conforming to Ohio law, let alone Federal requirements and constitutional standards.

PRE ELECTION

I …the following actions by Mr. Blackwell (Ohio Republican Secretary of State), the Republican Party, and elections officials disenfranchised HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Ohio citizens, predominantly Minority and Democratic voters.
A. …misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly Minority and Democratic Voters.
B. Mr. Blackwell’s decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of voters, predominantly Minority and Democratic voters.
C. Mr. Blackwell’s widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications…may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in timer for the 2004 election.
D. “caging: tactics” (voter intimidation through threatening letters, etc.) targeted 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation, had a negative impact on voter turnout.
E. The Ohio Republican Party’s decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers contradicted concentrated in minority and Democratic areas probably disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters…
F. Mr. Blackwell’s decision to prevent voters who requested absentee ballots, but did not receive them on a timely basis, from being able to receive provisional ballots probably disenfranchised thousands, if not tens of thousands of voters, particularly seniors.

II. On Election Day

A. …widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation in violation of the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1968, the Equal Protection Due Process and Ohio right to vote.
B. …improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that probably disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide.
C. There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which (were not inspected at the time of his report).
D. …numerous significant unexplained irregularities.
1. Mahonig county…at least twenty-five electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column;
2. Warren County locked out public observers from vote counting citing a FBI warning about terrorist threat…(no FBI threat issues);
3. Perry County...significantly more votes than voters in some precincts…
4. Butler County, down ballot…Democratic Supreme Court candidate (out polls) Kerry;

III. …post election period…numerous irregularities in tallying provisional ballots and conducting and completing the recount that disenfranchised thousands of voters and called the entire recount procedure into question:
A. …failure to articulate clear and consistent standards for counting of provisional ballots.
B…failure to issue specific standards for the recount contributed to a lack of uniformity in violating of both the Due Process clause and the Equal Protection clause…including:
1. Counties that did not randomly select precinct samples;
2. Counties which did not conduct a full hand count after the 3% hand and machine count did not match;
3. Counties which allowed irregular marking of ballots and failed to secure and store allots and machinery; and
4. Counties which prevented witnesses for candidates from observing various aspects of the recount.
C. The voting computer company Triad has essentially admitted that it engaged in a course of behavior during the recount in numerous counties to provide “cheat sheets” to those counting the ballot. …how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under-votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide recount mandated by law
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:08 PM
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13. That was my take on it too nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:05 PM
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17. It's "u.. n... d... e... r... handed", not "u...n...handed". As in ....
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 02:06 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
u...n...d...e...r...the c..o..u..n..t..e..r"; both words signifying fraud, guilt, dishonesty, theft, etc.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:42 PM
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21. sorry about that
my writing skills are not the best in fact my spelling sucks and grammar is not much better if that offends I apologize.

My point was just that dirty tricks they pulled in 2000 and 2004 where enough to steal the election alone. At least that is how it looked to me. I do understand they pulled a lot of illegal stuff I also understand by the time it through the courts ..even if they corrected the situation the damage was done.

just off my head..the locking of the doors during one vote count...by time they are told no that can't be done...they finished what they locked down for. By time Blackwell was told he couldn't toss out registrations for being on the wrong weight paper....it was to late ..how many got tossed before he was told no? see in one sense it was legal ..at least for a little bit..just long enough...The computer issue should be followed up on but not exclusivly..i believe ..because they can steal another election without the dam machines being hacked.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:05 AM
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7. done and recommended!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:07 AM
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8. I'm #2.
:hi: That was great!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:48 PM
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22. Thank you (nt)
nt
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:13 AM
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9. As much as I want to like it

when I see that big word DIEBOLD it seems that they are saying DIEBOLD is a good thing.
If I walked into the room a few seconds late all I would see is the happiness and the DIEBOLD sign - am I reading it incorrectly?
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:33 AM
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10. What a strange sort of paralysis.
Is it always this way?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:07 PM
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12. I think I am seeing it the way the average American would see it



I am not looking at it through my DU Wise EYES.

Just my opinion.

I do believe there are a lot of ways to get the message across to JOE Average however.

We are just not doing it.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:54 PM
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14. They need to add a web address for more info to make it
...understandable to the average American.

I posted that as a comment on the Current TV webpage.
http://www.current.tv/studio/media/5970347

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:37 PM
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20. That would help a lot ~ it really needs to be encouraged
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 02:38 PM by goclark
yet I still think any commercial on this issue must be Michael Moore quality.

Smack um right in the face with it ~ no wiggle room.

Anyone that has any ideas may want to run it quietly by DU posters.

If it can get passed all of us, it is a winner! :)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:12 PM
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18. I was more aware of the word "BUSH"" on the wife's campaign
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 02:14 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
bag. In fact, I missed the "DIEBOLD" label on the lap-top altogether, until I replayed it - having understood and digested what went on. Though the script is very small on the video. Smaller and less clear than the word, "BUSH", I think.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:51 AM
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11. K&R
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 01:01 PM
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15. Thank you (nt)
nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:55 PM
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23. A the time of this writing, it's ranked #60.
It needs to be ranked #1 on Thursday at 5PM (this Thursday or another Thursday) to automatically qualify to be shown on TV.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:24 PM
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24. I cross posted in GD - help me kick it & let's make this happen!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:23 PM
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25. Done! KRT.
:)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:40 PM
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28. Thank you (nt)
nt
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 10:08 PM
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26. 8 votes.... W T F .... come on peeps, this is a great find,
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:35 PM
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27. Now at 26 at "Current TV" website. Needs to be #1 on a
Thursday at 5PM to automatically get chosen for TV.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:57 PM
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30. 42 greenlights so far. Let's keep that going (nt)
nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:48 PM
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31. Now ranked #20.
If it's at #1 on a Thursday at 5PM, then they'll put it on TV.
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