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organik Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:40 AM
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RFK Jr. to bring lawsuits against Diebold and other e-voting vendors!
Just heard on Ring of Fire on Air America Radio.... sorry, no link.

Mike Papantonio's law firm, and RFK Jr. will be bringing lawsuits against Diebold and other electronic voting machine vendors in the coming weeks. Said they've got WHISTLE BLOWERS from Diebold & others.

Anybody know more on this?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:43 AM
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1. That would be great news.
We have to work on confirmation....
Do they post a transcript?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:44 AM
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3. Unfortunately, no.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:43 AM
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2. You will be able to hear "Ring of Fire" again on AAR Sun 5-7 EDT.
They will give details.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:53 AM
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4. I heard it, too! RFK Jr. explained the law they are using...
which dates back to Lincoln and the Civil War. About actions not done in the best interest of the public. Something like that, I'm no lawyer.

And how if people have spoken about things in public, they can't be used in a suit. A whistleblower must testify first and only then can come forward.

So, apparently RFK Jr. has whistleblowers and the suit can go forward. Even though much of the info was common knowledge because people had spoken out, they couldn't do anything until they found whistleblowers (people who hadn't spoken publicly already).
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:00 AM
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5. This is great news!
Is it time for popcorn?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:26 AM
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10. i'm churning ice cream
we'll have cake too in celebration.

dp
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:21 AM
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35. YUM! Sounds much better than popcorn.....
with news like this though, anything can be a celebration! :woohoo:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:02 AM
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6. K&R...If true RFK.jr We go side by side
I am there,Lets get these F*ck*ng Pr*cks.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:12 AM
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7. YES! GO!...
I long to breathe free...like most people.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:12 AM
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8. Bradblog Whistleblower- (older archive) Government Knew
I hope it's true. But whether it proves true or not--

Bradblog blogged on a whistleblower as far back as 9-15-05.



http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1839

"The source is acknowledging that the company's "upper management" — as well as "top government officials" — were keenly aware of the "undocumented backdoor" in Diebold's main "GEM Central Tabulator" software well prior to the 2004 election. A branch of the Federal Government even posted a security warning on the Internet."

That would be the DHS. And yep, it's still there, big as you please:


# Diebold GEMS Central Tabulator Vote Database Vote Modification


Diebold GEMS Central Tabulator 1.17.7, 1.18
A vulnerability exists due to an undocumented backdoor account, which could a local or remote authenticated malicious user modify votes.

No workaround or patch available at time of publishing.

We are not aware of any exploits for this vulnerability.

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold/


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:19 AM
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9. I hope it's true.
K&R for hope.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:38 AM
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11. from the ring of fire website
Bobby, Mike and Matt Schultz, an attorney with Levin Papantonio, discuss their lawsuits against Diebold and the other electronic voting machine companies that helped the Republicans steal Ohio in 2004.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/default1.asp
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:51 AM
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12. Ye- e- e- e- e -e- e -e -e -e -e -e -e -e -e -e -e -e -es!!!!!!!!!
There could not be better news, nor a more hopeful development, in the entire history of the United States! This fascist coup is going down!!! Whether Bushite/Corporate judges kill the suit or not--the publlic education value is IMMENSELY important. Because only the people can save this country--in a collective realization of the theft of their right to vote, tantamount to removal of their sovereignty, and ACTION by the people to rid themselves of these election theft machines!

It can still be done peacefully and legally, at the state/local level. Voting system decisions are still made at that level--where ordinary people still have some influence. And the infamous "Help America Vote Act" (Tom Delay's handiwork--a $4 billion boondoggle for Bushite electronics companies and their dirty voting machines) DOES NOT MANDATE ELECTRONIC VOTING. Paper ballots, hand counted at the precinct level (the most transparent, verifiable method of voting) is STILL AN OPTION. No act of the Diebold Congress is needed.

I've worried about what may be a narrow window of opportunity to restore our right to vote--and the difficulties of a long slog through every state/loal jurisdiction in the country. With a lawsuit by RFK Jr. the word will spread much, much faster, and the "critical mass" needed to win this vital, priority one struggle can be reached before this fascist coup can entirely cement its power, maybe even in time for the '06 elections, but if not by then, at last by '08.

RFK Jr. is an utterly brilliant guy--especially on the topic of criminal corporations and our corporate rulers. I've been very impressed with him on Ring of Fire. I was not crazy about his association with the NRDC, a big environmental group that I have reason to distrust. (Long story.) But he has really, really come through on election reform--and not in the namby-pamby way that most of our Democratic leaders have done (if they've done anything at all)--but rather in a hardnosed, kick butt way, that aims at the CONSPIRACY TO RIG OUR ELECTIONS. And, by God, it IS conspiracy! They DIDN'T WANT a transparent, verifiable election in 2004, or ever again. That's what HAVA was all about: DESTROYING our election system.

Hoorah for RFK Jr.!!!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :bounce: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:06 AM
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13. Well, Cal04's post sounds more like RFK Jr. is just "discussing" the
matter with lawyers who are doing the lawsuit, rather than participating as an attorney. Still--even if it's just a report, not an RFK Jr. lawsuit--it'll do some good, and the lawsuit itself sounds great--sounds like they've got the goods on Diebold, ES&S & brethren.

No wonder the fascists are moving on to Voter ID, purgable voter databases, and other methods of suppressing the vote. They can't win in fair and honest elections. And they no doubt know how very dirty these Bushite electronic voting machine corporations are. Only a matter of time before the people get on to this assault on our democracy. So they've go to find other ways to steal elections.

Speaking of that: The recent (last year) Ohio election involving five election reform initatives is instructive about the loop of corruption that we are facing. The reform initiatves were winning 60/40 in pre-election polls, then got flipped over into 60/40 LOSSES on election day--the biggest flipover we've seen yet. The machines and their masters are now controlling election POLICY! Here's Bob Koehler on this outrageous development:

Bob Koehler - Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 09:45 AM
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28. they were discussing it last week show, this week they said they were doin
g it. (!!!)
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:15 AM
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29. I heard it last week, too, but then heard nothing further. This is great.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:52 PM
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55. Great find, Peace Patriot!

Votes Flipped

"Issue 2 would have made absentee voting easier in the state. It had lots of high-profile support, and the Dispatch poll predicted a cakewalk for it: 59 percent yes, 33 percent no, 9 percent undecided. The actual result: 36 percent yes, a whopping 63 percent no.

Then there was issue 3, which would have lowered the campaign-contribution limits that a lame-duck state legislature had raised a year ago. Prediction: 61 percent yes, 25 percent no, 14 percent undecided. Actual result: 33 percent yes, 66 percent no.

The results of issue 4, to control gerrymandering by establishing an independent board to draw congressional districts, were only slightly less dramatic. Prediction: 31 percent yes, 45 percent no, 25 percent undecided. Result: 30 percent yes, 69 percent no. And for issue 5, to establish an independent board instead of the secretary of state’s office to oversee elections, a 41 percent predicted yes vote shrank to 29 percent, while the no vote ballooned from 43 to 70 percent."


http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Able to flip the results

"In that test, Finnish security expert Harri Hursti, whom Sancho called in to give the machines a true challenge, was able to flip the results of a small demo election using a generic memory card, leaving no trace of tampering. He had no password, merely the sort of machine access most poll workers have. The test proved that Diebold's optical-scan machines, contrary to what the company had claimed to election officials across the country, were vulnerable to insider fraud."

"The problem is, there's an anti-democratic force rampaging across the country that wants just the opposite: privately conducted, secrecy-shrouded elections. The state of Florida even has a bizarre law outlawing manual recounts of election results. This removes all chance of public scrutiny from the process.

I humbly submit that this is nuts, and that if we don't scream out at the top of our lungs we're going to lose our democracy."

http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm


That means we must go outside of this board and "scream out at the top of our lungs"

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:08 AM
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14. I am so glad I caught this thread
What excellent news!!! Thank you!

:toast:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:18 AM
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15. Levin Papantonio Fourth 'Winningest' Law Firm In United States
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 02:24 AM by chill_wind
I was just checking out their site for any possible references--

http://www.levinlaw-clients.com/news.asp?articleID=9

http://www.levinlaw-clients.com/default.asp

"A History of Excellence"
(in jury verdicts)

Sounds good to me :-)


"The firm is actively involved in securities litigation, and has been named co-counsel in the national class action against Cisco.

Levin, Papantonio is also involved in litigation involving Merrill Lynch, Salomon Smith Barney and WorldCom."

Nothing about Diebold that I saw, though.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:45 AM
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16. Nothing at dKOS...
And I thought those guys NEVER slept...


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 03:19 AM
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17. Well, well, well...that's what you call profile. HI Organik!!!
:yourock: Great to see you!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Don't forget to check out Organik's Great Web site: http://www.2004electiontheft.com/

It's one of the very best on election fraud!!!
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:32 AM
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18. The ultimate pap attack.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:43 AM
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19. Voter Action tracks litigation against voting machine companies
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AAARedskin Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:05 AM
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20. More wasted energy and time going on again
This whole thing is such a waste of time. It must be nice to be born into millions of dollars, and not have to ever get a real job. How about working on a plan to actually get people elected to office instead of living in the past and accusing them of "stealing elections?"
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:08 AM
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21. They were elected.
That's the point.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 08:08 AM
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24. welcome to DU!
...now get lost!
:evilgrin:
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 08:19 AM
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25. I second that MOTION.....
The get lost part!!!!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 08:45 AM
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26. Hee! He didn't last long.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:46 PM
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61. I was going to tell him to fuck off, but it's too late!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:17 AM
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31. There is a website for republicans called free republic.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:17 AM
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34. Were you just describing RFK Jr or George W. Bush?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:38 PM
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41. Honest and ethical people can't win elections when the republicans CHEAT
and steal the elections.

We know they were stolen. Sit back, and enjoy the ride. You have a lot to learn.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:00 PM
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51. All I can say is read it and weep repubs. RFK Jr. is the man.



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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:45 PM
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64. sigh....
sigh again....
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:19 AM
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22. Great news. Thanks for posting.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:42 AM
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23. RFK Jr is great!
I don't know how he does it.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 09:42 AM
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27. mp3 archives of ring of fire here - sat show will be up mon probably
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:16 AM
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30. YAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
:kick:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:18 AM
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32. and it took a Kennedy....
beautiful thing.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:15 AM
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33. I always did like the Kennedys...
... and I still do.

RFKjr's article in Rolling Stone is great, and now a lawsuit to follow up is perfect!

I hope it succeeds.

Sue
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:39 AM
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37. Thank you, Kennedy family, for doing so much for our country.
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:34 AM
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36. Robert F. Kennedy: Confidential calls for whistleblowers
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:41 AM by NastyDiaper
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Mike Papantonio, two of the nation's most dynamic legal warriors, bring their battle for justice to the airwaves each weekend on Air America Radio. Ring of Fire, June 10, 2006 (17m30s) http://www.airamericaradio.com/download.


PAP: "Bobby, what's happened since your Rolling Stone Article is you now have people that have been working with these companies they, I mean way way up in the management structure of the companies, that are coming forth, they're calling us, they're saying, I was afraid to say anything. I was afraid to do anything. Now they feel they can come forward. And I gotta promise you, if you do come forward.."

RFK: "You call Mike or me, and we're gonna sue these companies, and we are gonna stop them from stealing our elections..."

PAP: "I, I can Prom.."

RFK: "If you work for either one of these companies, you give us a call and we'll protect your confidentiality. And we are gonna sue these companies. And we're gonna put them out of business. And we're gonna stop them from stealing our democracy."

PAP: "It's the only way that we're gonna accomplish anything. So, Look. This thing has just started. For all those Talking Heads who say why did we wait so long, they-ain't seen nothing, yet."



That's 866-389-FIRE

This is what scares them the most. The Repugs like Hagel, and those in Diebold and ES&S are busted.

Bush could run out and sign Kyoto today, but Bobby and and the Pap attack will keep coming.

They lied to start a war, what's a little voter fraud, right? No. It was the voter fraud that led to the war, not the other way around.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:33 PM
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39. Love your endorsement sticker!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:16 PM
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42. Well aren't you RIGHT ON THE MONEY!
Welcome to the DU. :thumbsup:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:28 PM
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43. Wow! Thank you for this info--the RFK Jr/Papantonio call to whistle-
blowers. I wasn't aware of it. So it's clear that this is an RFK Jr. lawsuit! Fabulous!

Election reform is the antiwar movement of the 21st century!

Back then in the '60s, when we still had transparent elections, the war itself was the issue. We had hope of pressuring our representatives. And in 1968, we had hope--in Bobby Kennedy--of electing an anti-Vietnam War president. Now, the issue is transparent elections, because, without them, we have no hope of pressuring our representatives or electing people who will implement the will of the majority. It's pretty obvious that's where we're at. The president and congress are beyond our reach. They are not beholden to us for their power, but rather to Diebold and ES&S.

Ergo: Election reform is the antiwar movement of the 21st century!

Get. On. Board.

Singers, where are you? It's not, "where have all the flowers gone?". It's, "where have all the ballots gone?" It's not, "The times they are a-changing." It's, "The votes they are BEING CHANGED"! It's not, "Make love, not war!" (always good advice, though!). It's "counting all the votes WILL STOP the war!"

Thank you, RFK Jr, for aiding American Revolution II: election reform. But, friends, it's up to us--we, the people! No "white knight" can save our country. We must do this. We need activists in every state/local jurisdiction in the country, demanding transparent vote counting from our election officials, and seeking to remove those who are corrupt. We need an army of volunteers, such as those who traveled to the South in 1965, to secure black voting rights in every registrar's office and precinct. And if we can't accomplish a transparent vote count by '06, we can do it by '08. This is an idea whose time has come. It's doable. You don't even have to travel anywhere--just down to your own county registrar's office. It's a PRIORITY ONE need. Let's do it!



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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 09:43 PM
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59. Magic words -
RFK: "If you work for either one of these companies, you give us a call and
we'll protect your confidentiality.

And we are gonna sue these companies.
And we're gonna put them out of business.
And we're gonna stop them from stealing our democracy."
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:42 AM
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38. While We Wait For Him To File
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:33 PM
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40. K&R. Your dad would be proud of, RFK Jr.
I am.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:07 PM
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44. Replay on now. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:13 PM
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45. I repeat: Election reform is the antiwar movement of the 21st century.
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 02:15 PM by Peace Patriot
First we have to restore our right to vote, THEN we can stop the war!

In the '60s, street protests turned the country against the war (also, our freer press), and busted LBJ for slaughtering 1 million people in Souheast Asia for no good reason. Today, the fascists don't care what we, the people, think. They are insulated by their control of the vote count, and by collusive corporate news monopolies. First priority: remove their control of the vote count--a recent (2002-2004--"Help America Vote Act"/Tom Delay) coup that it is still possible to change at the state/local level. Second: bust the corporate news monopolies (highly dependent upon restoring our right to vote).

You youngsters, who feel nostalgia for the street protests of the '60s, be aware that these are different times, and a different strategy is needed--more like the strategy of the Civil Rights Movement in the South, which sought to enforce the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in every county registrar's office and precinct. We've got to rally THE PEOPLE in defense of their democracy. Most people can't march in New York or Washington DC, and even if they could, it makes no difference to a regime that is not beholden to the people for its power. But people CAN pressure their county registrar of voters; they CAN monitor elections; they CAN raise a stink locally about non-transparent vote-counting; they CAN picket somewhere near the polling places (there's an idea--go in and vote, then come outside and raise your picket sign of protest against secret vote tabulation by Bushite corporations!). Maybe, at some point, we will need to do a big action against these Bushite-controlled voting machines--a voters' strike, an alternative Congress, declaration of the illegitimacy of the Diebold/ES&S-selected Congress, or the Diebold/ES&S-selected President--like that. But the groundwork must be laid. Education of the public. Local activism. Pressure in every jurisdiction. Mobilization of the voters. Many, many people suspect that the elections are being rigged. Most don't know of the very specific mechanism that was put in place during the 2002-2004 period for high speed, undetectable vote stealing, in highly non-transparent conditions, controlled by Bushite corporations. If they knew they would be outraged, and likely more than willing to DO SOMETHING about it.

To counter despair and non-voting (because "it's all rigged"): Bumper sticker: "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE!" Or, "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE ABSENTEE!" (There is a considerable personal voter protest going on, right under our noses, in a huge increase in absentee ballot voting. AB ballots at least provide a tangible record of the vote for investigations and election challenges. If enough people do it, the machines will be obsolete, and we can then work on getting rid of the central electronic vote tabulators, where all votes end up, scanned in as manipulable electrons.)

ENGAGE voters with THE TRUTH! The country belongs to all of us. We all have to act to save it! Activists can help; lawsuits can help; protests can help; widespread, pervasive pressure on state/local officials can help; alternative media can help. But, ultimately, only a collective realization and action by all of us--we, the people--can save this democracy Lots of work still to be done in many places--in all state/local jurisdictions--before that collective realization occurs. WHEN it occurs, the action to be taken will be obvious.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:25 PM
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46. Awesome!!!
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:39 PM
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47. psst...neoCONS
If you just pointed at yourself and said "Who, me?", then yes I am talking to you. If you sniveling little douche bags allowed for a fair election, you know we'd kick your asses, just like in 1992 and 1996. Instead, you little turds cheat and then high five each other and pretend that you "won" and then give each other victory blow jobs. But deep down you know that you pussies are nothing but LOSERS. You don't have to admit it. We know. You know. All the bluster in the world can't hide it. Now, be a good little fucktard and sign me up on your "enemies" list over at the freep creep site. Does being on the list come with a complimentary subscription to your "Douche Bag Monthly"? If so, then make doubly sure that you ignorant little queefs get my address right. I'm sure Georgie boy can get it for you. :rofl:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:01 PM
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52. Hey, Cheap_Trick!
Welcome to DU! :toast:

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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:52 PM
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62. many thanks
nice to be among friends :toast:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 03:52 PM
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48. I just heard the broadcast--YES, RFK JR IS GOING AFTER THEM!
He is personally involved in preparing lawsuits against Diebold and the other electronic voting companies (the three majors, Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia all have very close ties to the Republican Party) through a financial lawsuit aimed at their lies about the security of their voting machines, and recovering damages. RFK Jr., Papantonio and a third lawyer, Matt Schultz, are all involved. They have whistleblowers. They have a US-attorney sealed case at the moment; they expect un-sealing, and will be filing the first case next week. RFK said that Noam Chomsky has laid out the psychopathic nature of corporations, and it's RFK's belief that the only way to stop them is to take their money and shut them down. He said HAVA (Tom Delay, Bob Ney-engineered) funding of electronic voting caused a "race to the bottom" among these Republican electronic voting corporations, resulting in the worst, most insecure and hackable voting machinery. It is in a sense a consumer lawsuit: shoddy product, that left elections wide open to fraud in 2004 (an opportunity that Bushite operatives clearly took advantage of). The taxpayers and voters were ripped off. Papantonio said he was looking forward to the depositions--to being able to have access to evidence that no one else has been able to get (presumably from the execs and the whistleblowers).

This is truly great news. It would be great news no matter who had taken on such a lawsuit. But it is especially great that someone as high profile as RFK Jr. has taken it on. This means good access to resources, and better publicity than would otherwise be the case. Public education is one of the key benefits of such a lawsuit.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:34 PM
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54. Yup. I concur. That's what they said.
They also said it was a "Qui Tam." Does that ring any bells? ;)
The difference will be that these guys are probably serious!
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 08:31 PM
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56. Yes, they're filingQui Tam suits.
The good news is that they have whistleblowers and they're super-serious. We won't hear about the details for months, though. because Qui Tam suits are under seal for at least 60 days while the government decides whether they will pursue it. If they don't, the plaintiffs can go ahead on their own (which they will!!!)
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:04 PM
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60. It will be interesting to see how they quantify how much has been lost.
And whether the case gets into whether any of the whistleblowers are aware of any intent to defraud or, better yet, any actual abuse of the tallying process.

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AmericasReporter Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 04:36 PM
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49. RFK Jr. is OUTSTANDING
Good for him and Mike Papantonio. They're both wonderful and I can't wait for this lawsuit to go forward no matter what their involvement is.



Start the Revolution
Start the IMPEACHMENT!!!! (It's about time!!!)
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wizdum Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:57 PM
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50. Thank GOD!!!
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:07 PM
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53. I'm not a praying kinda guy.
But I pray RFK Jr stays out of small planes.

He is Incredibly intelligent and forceful and will command the ear of the world with this one.

He is dangerous to those who run the corporate war machines.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 08:47 PM
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57. If this is true, it's the BEST NEWS ever!
It's about time. Go RFK, Jr.! You're father would be so proud.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 09:12 PM
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58. Thank you to RFK Jr., Pap and the whistleblowers! Kick!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:44 PM
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63. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
sic 'em, bobby! (and pap)

let's just hope this sealed 60 day business doesn't get squashed and that they are able to proceed w/the suit!

(let's see...is it too late for the midterms???)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:34 AM
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65. Self-delete.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:42 AM by Jim Sagle
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:18 AM
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66. could someone please explain what the flame on the post icon means?
:dunce:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:33 PM
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67. means over 50 comments. It took me a long time to realize that as well.
:hi:
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:13 PM
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68. phew! thought it might mean something bad! thanks for explaining
:-)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:54 PM
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69. Welcome to DU Diva
Are you in on our little secret? 'Cause if you are, you are in for a whole lotta fun. We are gonna take those black-damn-boxes and crush the warpublicans wet dreams with 'em.

I can recall, oh 'bout two-three years ago, I saw that the way to beat the chimpsters was to sue their sorry asses, and I posted as much right here on DU. And now it is coming true!

It pays to hang with the folks in the ER, we are leading the way to the premature end of the bushco reign.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:35 PM
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70. Yeah!!!
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Announces Plan To Prosecute Architects Of Alleged 2004 Election Theft...
PR Week | June 19, 2006 at 04:24 PM

This month, Rolling Stone ran an investigative feature claiming that Republicans used a systematic combination of voter disenfranchisement and fraud, centered in Ohio, to rob John Kerry of a win in the 2004 presidential election.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer and son of liberal icon Bobby Kennedy, wrote the article, available, along with supporting research, at rollingstone.com. Kennedy spoke to PRWeek about the story...

...PRWeek: Is there a next step?
Kennedy: I've been meeting with attorneys... to devise a litigation strategy. And I would say that very soon we'll be announcing lawsuits against some of the individuals and companies involved.

transcript
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/19/robert-f-kennedy-jr-ann_n_23341.html
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:46 PM
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74. You know those cockroaches that scamper when the light comes on?
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 06:20 PM by NastyDiaper
I'm sure that it's just me. But the Roaches used to scare me the most are the ones that don't run away.

They just wiggle their antenna. Stare at you. And somehow expect that if they charge me, I will be the one to run.

And then I get mad.

You know how their insides are yellow?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:00 PM
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71. I haven't smiled this much in months
:D
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:27 PM
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72. Kick this baby up!!! n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:38 PM
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73. heres to killing off this cabal one root at a time
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:13 AM
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75. organik/DU Blogosphere Scoop?
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:17 AM by chill_wind
organik brought this story and citations to the radio airings to DU Saturday night. It hit the greatest page very quickly. I thought all the "big blogs" would be blazing with it by Sunday. It is, in my mind, a very significant piece of news.

Since the story was to air a second time by Sunday, I was curious what took other leftwing blogs so long to check into it. Also mildly puzzled why Rawstory (which didn't move on it until today- Monday) gets the only nod at Bradblog.


Also, yes, as some have asked, I can confirm the item now posted at RAW STORY wherein Bobby Kennedy is quoted as saying in an interview: "I would say that very soon we'll be announcing lawsuits against some of the individuals and companies involved."

http://www.bradblog.com/



http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/RFK_Jr._plans_suit_over_2004_0619.html

Yes, what is ultimately important is the story-- but I'd just like to see DU get credit for its vigilance--particularly for its overwhelming dedication to the visibility of this issue overall.

Particularly in a time when not all big boards/blogs like dKOS, as I understand it, are as freely permitted to devote the same scrutiny and exposure, and to carry the message and highlight the dedication of the great sites like Bradblog and Rawstory. Am I wrong to be somewhat bugged?


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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:47 AM
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76. Kennedy Plans to Sue Diebold and Other Voting Machine Vendors

Kennedy Plans to Sue Diebold and Other Voting Machine Vendors

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., will be filing lawsuits against Diebold and other electronic voting machine vendors in the coming weeks. They said that they have "whistle blowers" from Diebold & others. On his radio show--"Ring of Fire"--Kennedy explained that they are using a law which dates back to Lincoln and the Civil War about actions not done in the best interest of the public.

According to the show, Kennedy noted that:
    1) The suits being filed are called qui tam suits;

    2) Qui tam suits provide for triple damages;

    3) The attorneys intend to put some voting-machine companies out of business; and

    4) They intend to depose notables such as Chuck Hagel, Katherine Harris, and Kenneth Blackwell.

snip

http://www.progressiveu.org/122753-kennedy-plans-to-sue-diebold-and-other-voting-machine-venders

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:24 AM
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77. "STUFF" happens, see.
>>They intend to depose notables such as Chuck Hagel, Katherine Harris, and Kenneth Blackwell.<<

I hope the feds who posted the vulnerabilities to the DHS website itself *before the election* will be required to tell us what anyone else in the Bush WH said.

Let me guess:

"I don't anyone could have anticipated that the machines could be exploited or the vote tampered."

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