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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-19-08 06:40 PM Original message |
Things to throw at people who claim "fundamentalist atheism's just as bad as fundamentalist Xianity" |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-19-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think they're equally obnoxious. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-19-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. if "fundamentalist" atheists had their way" - see the result of the atheist French Revolution |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-19-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. When did the French Revolution |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. You probably are talking about |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-19-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The RESULT of the (atheist?) French Revolution was GOOD. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-27-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Oh, I know |
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hifalutin (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sorry to have to ask but what is |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Seen the abbreviation Xmas? Same deal. |
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hifalutin (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Dumb me, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Subject length limitation forced me to use that spelling. -nt |
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hifalutin (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Perhaps |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Actually, early Christians themselves invented the "X" abbreviation. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. It comes from the Greek letter 'chi', which is the same character as 'x'. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
10. Err.. Maoism and Stalinism come to mind (nt) |
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oscarmitre (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. And they are |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Maoism and Stalinism... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. That's the "no true Scotsman" argument that fundies use |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. If I were claiming that no "true athiest" would ever... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Ah, here's our disagreement: |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. What about theocratic regimes today? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. which were of course not driven BY atheism |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. One fact these people often ignore |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. That's a bit naive, frankly. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Different context |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I completely disagree |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Well let's back up a little then |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Glad you asked... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I think you are being unduly narrow here |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I guess I'm a marxist |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 05:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Well aside from the fact that marxism has never done that yet |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. ... |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. About those "convenient fig leaves" |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-27-08 06:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
55. The reason behind who is in power is one thing |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. I should have added this... |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. In what way can that be called "fundamentalist atheism?" eom |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
12. Fundamental Atheism |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Stick around this forum. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. and have they given any examples of fundie atheistic terror? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. "Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot" is the usual refrain. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I think your latter point is more covered by "agnostics" and "not religious" types |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Well, I don't think they murdered "for" atheism... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Why is Israel being fought over to this day? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. No, because the Israelis are living on land that the Palestinians think is theirs |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Why do they think it's theirs? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. In the first case, because they lived there for thousands of years |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. And the idea that the land was promised to them by a god... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I don't think so, really |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. And if money, security, or power were an issue here... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. And what motivates the Christian Zionists |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Why do you think that? Because they say so? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. So what exactly is your point? |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-26-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. because the true villain has told them that the fundy christians will get all the power and money |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-27-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
57. If you want to see how an officially atheistic government operates |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I've heard that term many times. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-20-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
20. Rotten fruit works well too...nt |
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Dabinci (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-26-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
53. That's an oxymoron |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-27-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. No, it's just plain false. |
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