Gay Bishop Accuses Conservatives Of Twisting Words

[davidinalameda]

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040505robinson.htm

Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church is accusing conservative elements within the worldwide Anglican faith of twisting his words to imply he said Jesus was gay.

Robinson took part in a February 13 forum on sexual issues at Christ Church in South Hamilton, Massachusetts. In his remarks Robinson said that Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man", "traveled with a bunch of men" and enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his disciples.

The forum and Robinson's remarks went generally unnoticed until Sunday when the conservative British paper The Independent accused the bishop of "suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual."


cons twisting words? NEVER!

[Deep13]

1. "beloved disciple"

is what it says in the Gospels.

There is a pretty good case to be made that the beloved disciple was in fact Magdalene.

[progressiveBadger]

3. sssshhh!

People are watching!

[davidinalameda]

4. damn DeVinci Code reading liberals

:bounce:

[Deep13]

5. huh, never read it.

My wife read about half of it, but found it boring.

[grumpy old fart]

11. Fluff yes, but boring???

that thing was a page turner....IMO

[megatherium]

8. I would take that book with a grain of salt. nt

[megatherium]

6. Some folks think he was the author of the Gospel according to John,

who apparently modestly refers to himself as the beloved disciple (without naming himself). I've also heard the theory he was Lazarus (it appears that there was a particular friendship between Lazarus and Jesus).

[Deep13]

7. doubt it

It is pretty certain that the Gospel of John was not written by John the apostle or any other contemporary of Jesus. It was written around AD 100.

[megatherium]

9. Would you buy 90 AD?

Tradition is that John lived to a very old age. But some modern scholars have questioned the late date for the fourth gospel; it appears to represent an independent tradition about Jesus, differing at significant points by the tradition(s) represented by the synoptic gospels. Goodness knows what the truth of the matter is, of course. You're probably right.

[grumpy old fart]

12. Thought the Gospel of John was actually more than 100 years post Jesus

In any case, unlikely written by an actual disciple, given the reliance on the earlier Gospels...

[megatherium]

13. That would make it roughly 130.

A touch late from what I've read. But you're most likely correct, given its layers of theology (John is loaded with eucharistic imagery and language, e.g., Jesus refers to himself as the Bread of Life); it wasn't written by an immediate follower. It possibly reflects one early tradition, but the tradition has been subjected to substantial reinterpretation.

I think the most commonly held dates for the Gospels are: Matthew 70 - 90, Mark 60 - 80, Luke/Acts 90 - 110, John 90 - 110. The earliest New Testament writings are the several letters of Paul believed to be genuine, which were written from 50 to 60 give or take several years. These give a good idea of what one large segment of the earliest Church believed (some argue Paul actually invented the whole thing, but serious scholarship has long since rejected that theory).

[rodeodance]

2. they are good at twisting and turning comments to suit their purposes

[supernova]

10. Kudos to Gene Robinson

for calling them on the carpet about it. :applause:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. He guest preached at my church, and he was wonderful

No, he didn't preach about gay issues, although he made a couple of joking comments about the controversy the last time he was in Minneapolis (for General Convention). Instead, he preached about...(gasp!) the Scripture readings for the day.

I can see why the people of New Hampshire chose him.