Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Dead Sea Scrolls 'were a spoof'

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU
 
emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:28 AM
Original message
Dead Sea Scrolls 'were a spoof'
"So who were the real authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Elior theorizes that the Essenes were really the renegade sons of Zadok, a priestly caste banished from the Temple of Jerusalem by intriguing Greek rulers in 2nd century B.C?"
By Tim McGirk / Jerusalem Monday, Mar. 16, 2009


Scholar Claims Dead Sea Scrolls 'Authors' Never Existed



Biblical scholars have long argued that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the work of an ascetic and celibate Jewish community known as the Essenes, which flourished in the 1st century A.D. in the scorching desert canyons near the Dead Sea. Now a prominent Israeli scholar, Rachel Elior, disputes that the Essenes ever existed at all — a claim that has shaken the bedrock of biblical scholarship.

Elior, who teaches Jewish mysticism at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, claims that the Essenes were a fabrication by the 1st century A.D. Jewish-Roman historian Flavius Josephus and that his faulty reporting was passed on as fact throughout the centuries. As Elior explains, the Essenes make no mention of themselves in the 900 scrolls found by a Bedouin shepherd in 1947 in the caves of Qumran, near the Dead Sea. "Sixty years of research have been wasted trying to find the Essenes in the scrolls," Elior tells TIME. "But they didn't exist. This is legend on a legend." (See pictures of 60 years of Israel.)

Elior contends that Josephus, a former Jewish priest who wrote his history while being held captive in Rome, "wanted to explain to the Romans that the Jews weren't all losers and traitors, that there were many exceptional Jews of religious devotion and heroism. You might say it was the first rebuttal to anti-Semitic literature." She adds, "He was probably inspired by the Spartans. For the Romans, the Spartans were the highest ideal of human behavior, and Josephus wanted to portray Jews who were like the Spartans in their ideals and high virtue." (See pictures of disputed artifiacts.)

Early descriptions of the Essenes by Greek and Roman historians has them numbering in the thousands, living communally ("The first kibbutz," jokes Elior) and forsaking sex — which goes against the Judaic exhortation to "go forth and multiply." Says Elior: "It doesn't make sense that you have thousands of people living against the Jewish law and there's no mention of them in any of the Jewish texts and sources of that period." (Read "Is This Jesus's Tomb?")

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1885421,00.html


I BLAme all that Resurrection nonsense for flaming 'the renegade sons' of Zadok' into this one!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
1. A sort of antiquarian "The Onion" if you will?
LOL, I hope so, I'd like to think they had such senses of humor back then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
2. "This is legend on a legend."
I guess the irony escaped the author of that statement.

This is legend on a legend on a myth.

Or maybe it's turtles all the way down.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
3. Ancient latrine fuels debate at Qumran
QUMRAN, West Bank — Researchers say their discovery of a 2,000-year-old toilet at one of the world's most important archaeological sites sheds new light on whether the ancient Essene community was home to the authors of many of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

In a new study, three researchers say they have discovered the outdoor latrine used by the ancient residents of Qumran, on the barren banks of the Dead Sea. They say the find proves the people living here two millennia ago were Essenes, an ascetic Jewish sect that left Jerusalem to seek proximity to God in the desert.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2007-01-02-qumram-latrine_x.htm

So the throne room was really a latrine...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
4. I have learned that the problem with checking out biblical history
is that the water gets muddier not clearer. This is not the fault of the historians because it is not science. Remember that History is His Story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
5. And nobody believes me
when I say that ten or twenty years from now,
there will be true believers in the FSM.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. I believe!!! I believe!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. See my sig line.
x(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
8. Jesus is never mentioned in the scrolls either...
makes you wonder...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC