for you atheist heathens

[mkultra]

Here's a little grist for the mill. I found this interesting.

Best line: "If there is a God, why did he make me an atheist?"

Second best(from the blog):"When the coming evangelical collapse happens, and especially when thousands of our young people bolt for non-believer status, a lot of it will be COMPLETELY DESERVED."

http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/reatheism

[RoccoR5955]

1. Meh! God is nothing more than dog spelled backwards. n/t

[Booster]

2. My dog IS a God.

[MattBaggins]

16. Sorry but cats are gods

Dog: These people feed me, love me, pet me, shelter and play with me... They must be gods.

Cat: These people feed me, love me, pet me, shelter and play with me... I must be a god.

[mkultra]

25. thats why i kick cats

just to be sure they understand that they are not gods. I think it helps.

[Taitertots]

28. Cats are not gods

They are spoiled brats

These people feed me, love me, shelter and play with me....Screw them I'm going to nap in the sun, I do what I want.

[Booster]

35. I have 4 cats and 1 dog - you might have a good point here.

[pscot]

7. There is no dog?

How will I explain that to the dachshund?

[mkultra]

13. there is only one Dog!

[sarge43]

21. There is only Zuul. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. There is only Gozer - Zuul but makes the way for Gozer. nt

[callous taoboy]

3. I've always considered myself to be a luckless pedestrian. eom

[mkultra]

4. how very pedestrian of you

:)

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Because God made you different ,free from instinct you have a choice

You mistake Mans bullshit for Gods,Evangelicals have been collapsing for two centuries ,as soon as they think They can walk on water ,a matter of my opinion.

[RoccoR5955]

43. What a load of bovine fecal matter... Humans still have instincts.

Which makes us no different from any other animal.

[MercutioATC]

6. He didn't "make" anybody atheist.

He gave us free will. We choose our own path.


...never mind the fact that if god IS omniscient and omnipotent, he both created us AND knew what we were going to do when he did...which pretty much eliminates the possibility of free will...

[mkultra]

8. personally, i love this philosophical debate

The only answer would have to be that free will is an illusion. This leads logically to the conclusion that all beings go to heaven. Which means Hitler is tear assing around the streets of gold right now.


:)

[MercutioATC]

18. Believers actually think they have a logical answer.

...and they may, but I'm definitely not getting it.

I have a great friend who is a Pastor (of a church he created). There's not a single qualifier, other than child molestation, that would generally be a greater indicator of our incompatibility...yet, we've been really good friends for more than 15 years.

In one of our conversations, I asked him this question. He asked for some time to consider it. A week later, we resumed the conversation and he did have an explanation...but it kinda boiled down to the "you have to have faith" argument.

He's intelligent. He's sincere. He's a good person.

...but I don't think that he (or anybody) can rationally explain the concept of "free will"...because I don't think there IS a rational explanation.

[Taitertots]

29. Doesn't it lead to the logical conclusion that god and heaven don't exist

[Tutankhamun]

37. Hitler has been "saved" by the Mormons. I'm sure you know about their

supposed ability to retroactively "save" their long dead loved ones. Someone actually saved Hitler and sent him to heaven. It was this sort of maneuver that persuaded the Mormon church to keep its records of who has been officially "saved" and hasn't classified. According to the Mormon church, Hitler is in Heaven.

[dbonds]

10. This is where people feed their ego's.

God knew before hand who he chose to be his followers and who he chose to enemies. So those chosen were special to god from the moment of creation. That's why they can really do no wrong, they were chosen.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. IOW, god made me an atheist. nt

[MercutioATC]

22. Yeah, that's kinda the only logical conclusion.

If god knows everything that has ever happened and everything that ever will be and if god is incapable of error and if god created me....

...then he created me to be exactly what I am...and I'm atheist.





...and it'd be a pretty petty "god" that created things under these conditions and then got pissed that some of those things didn't worship him...

[Fumesucker]

24. Exactly..

An omniscient and omnipotent god does not allow for free will on the part of its creations.

[MercutioATC]

34. It's a logical impossibility.

I haven't considered the effect on the worlds of the "believers", but I'm betting that it's minimal.


Most people who believe in the existence of a "god" power dismiss logical discrepancies as a lack of faith.

[WeDidIt]

38. All are born atheists

One must be taught to believe in a deity.

[MercutioATC]

44. That would be one conclusion...

I honestly don't know of any studies where children were raised without ANY societal religious influence, and the effect that upbringing had on their beliefs.

Apart from a laboratory environment, I don't know that's possible...and I doubt there are groups lining up to raise kids in a lab...

[Taverner]

9. Occam's Razor - who knew?

[JohnnyLib2]

11. Let me know when you have the answer.

[mkultra]

15. you will be the first

[ieoeja]

36. The answer is "42". (nt)

[The Straight Story]

12. Folks keep seeing God as 'all powerful' but keep failing in context

Both believers and non have so much trouble with the whole concept.

[HarveyDarkey]

23. Epicurus nailed it

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus

[The Straight Story]

33. omnipotent is the key word here

And how it relates to us and perception of it.

We might seem omnipotent to ants, but it does not make us all powerful/etc.

Reminds me of ole Einstein and relativity in a loose manner. Compared to us, God is omnipotent - but he/she/it also has rules to follow (the physics of Heaven so to speak).

[harry_pothead]

14. His noodly appendage touches me.

May it touch you. RAmen.

[MercutioATC]

19. Yarrr!

[MineralMan]

17. God, Bog...what ever. Different names for a nonexistent entity.

[mkultra]

26. the "void" for athiests

:) where is your void now?

[MineralMan]

32. I don't take your meaning. I read your other posts, but still don't

understand what you're trying to say to me.

As an atheist, I believe that my existence begins and ends with my breathing and heartbeat. For me there will be no "void," since I will not be there to experience anything at all.

In case you weren't aware, the Russian word for "God" is "Bog," with the o pronounced as o. Perhaps that was what confused you.

[RaleighNCDUer]

50. And is that the derivation of the word 'bogus'? nt

[11 Bravo]

39. Yeah, now you need to convince these dumbasses that God is a "nonexistent identity:

Martin Luther King
Descartes
Albert Einstein
Nicholas Copernicus
Leonardo da Vinci
Galileo
Beethoven
Isaac Newton
Michaelangelo
Malcolm X
etc,

Clearly you are much more intelligent than this group of dim bulb believers in God.

[Edweird]

42. Um, those guys are dead. If you have some way to communicate with them, however,

maybe we should talk... :evilgrin:

[immoderate]

45. I wouldn't put Einstein on that list.

Einstein's god, like Spinoza's god, was very abstract. Wouldn't matter anyway. This is a classic example of the "appeal to authority fallacy."

None of these people has any special knowledge of the existence of god. An equally impressive list of atheists could be assembled. Then what would you say to your own statement?

--imm

[Soylent Brice]

46. uh...

1. Albert Einstein: From a Jesuit Viewpoint, I am an Atheist
I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2

http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Was-Einstein-an-Atheist-.htm

:shrug:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

30. Forgive me, but I have to chime in

"If there is a God, why did he make me an atheist?"

Because God came from Unity to Diversity. God is everything, and wishes to experience everything, and every variation of everything. So of COURSE God creates atheists, so God can experience the feelings atheism entails. Kindly realize the God concept used here is not your usual "old man in the sky", but rather the force, the energy, that is found in each cell, atom, and subatomic particle.

[Toasterlad]

48. So...God Created Us Just So He Could "Feel" Shit

Yet more petty motives assigned to something supposed to be omnipotent. I'll give you credit, though...you're the first person I've heard in awhile claim to know the mind of god without an actual religion to back you up. At least, if there's an organized faith behind this "energy field" nonsense of yours, I've never heard of it. It's not scientology, is it? Because I didn't hear anything about spaceships.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

49. No, no, not so God could "feel" shit

so God could BE shit...and everything else. As to this philosophy, check out the Upanishads, among other writings. Oh, and also check out my sig line, which actually expresses things far better than I can. And who said God is omnipotent? My God concept doesn't deal with that, really, because again, it implies a hierarchy of authority that, in my concept, doesn't exist. God simply is, and we are a part of It. Or you may agree with the Dalai Lama (see my sig line).

As to "energy fields"--geez, I thought the universe was made up of matter and energy, and some guy named Newton postulated some laws about them. :)

[armyowalgreens]

52. Why do you give such a liberal definition for God?

One already exists. You can't just make one up and say it's okay.

"God simply is, and we are a part of It."

No, you cannot just called existence "God". You don't get to do that.

I'm going to start calling carrots apples.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

53. Who said I made this up?

This is Mysticism 101. It is found in the Hindu Upanishads and Lakotah spirituality, both of which go back 3-5,000 years ago. It is the philosophy of the Sufis and some mystical sects of Christianity and Judaism. And as for the Buddhists--hey, check out my sig line. It's a lot of fun when we get together for conferences and meetings, because we honor and cherish our different views of this Unity.

I think the problem here is that you don't accept the fact that not all believer's God concepts agree with the one you think all believers hold. One reason I've posted here is to shatter this very notion. And no, I don't claim to understand the nature of God. I think that is not understandable in the context of our human existence. But I do know that there are many different God concepts, and that these concepts have evolved over the millenia, some gaining popularity, others losing it. Actually, it is a grand pageant, viewing human thought.

[armyowalgreens]

51. God has no desires. God has no wishes. God is fullfilled infinitely.

God is all that exists. God is all that ever was and ever will be. God is all the possibilities of existence and nonexistence.

God does not need to create to feel fulfilled. God does not need to destroy to feel fulfilled.



That is assuming that God exists. And the paradox of God makes me doubtful.

[ItNerd4life]

31. I've always liked; God created the reality of evolution. It's not a theory. nt

[FarCenter]

40. God may exist, but since you will die and cease to exist, it doesn't really matter

[Edweird]

41. "proving us (evangelicals) to be liars isn’t even a real job." No shit.

That may be part of why atheism seems to be on the rise. Look at what the 'christians' are doing. Blindly worshiping the ground * walked on. Killing doctors. Fighting AGAINST health care FOR THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS. It's not hard to realize what a bunch of lying scumbag assholes a lot of self professed 'christians' are. I am not attacking ALL Christians, there are some that have my respect - Jimmy Carter for example. But he is apparently vastly outnumbered.

[Toasterlad]

47. I Noticed This "Monk" Blogger Didn't Actually ADVANCE Any of These "Arguments" for Religion

Just says they exist. I'd dearly love to hear them.

The atheist he says was blown away in the debate with the evangelical must have been a sorry fellow indeed.