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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 03:59 PM Original message |
Why did God wait till Day 4 before He made the sun, moon and stars? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Answer: |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because he knew they'd would be after his lucky charms? |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. Words fail me |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. RE:"which people make up out of their own imagination" Sort of like talking snakes, maybe? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. Because those opening stanzas to Genesis proceed in the same general order as Big Bang theory |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. It's a nice thought, but the truth is, Genesis's version is nothing like science's version |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. thoroughly misunderstood by the blogger |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Water came second. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Again, it's a poetic version that gets much -- most right. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You're trying to have it both ways. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. For Christ's sake, it's a poem! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. You're just plain wrong. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It's a poem about creation. It goes from utter blackness, to light, to the formation of earth |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. You seem to be very (unreasonably) flexible with the truth. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Since you know the authors of Genesis, Burtworm, you should know that story is a different author |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Don't make bigger claims for it than it can handle . |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The authors of Genesis literally believed water came first. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'm glad to know you conversed with the specific "authors" of Genesis, Burtworm! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. The telescope that enabled scientists to look back toward the origin of the universe |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It's a mystery how it was intuited. I know that bothers the hell out of you, but that's what's |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. They intuited wrong. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Their metaphor comes interestingly close. That's what is so intriguing. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Of course it doesn't cancel out science. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Kinda playin' it fast and loose with the word "interesting", aren't ya'? n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The blogger is a biologist. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Sorry pal. You're being as much of an inflexible Fundamentalist as those other fundamentalists. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Ok. then stop claiming it gets natural history basically right. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. If you believe in a literal English-only version of the words |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thank you! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. So, just exactly how much "flexibility" is a good thing? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Extremely well said. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Fundamentalist? Maybe not. Literalist? Absolutely. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You've made no case for why we should count the hits but ignore the misses |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I'd have to take the Bible as literally true to be a literalist. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Except the order is wrong. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. God, you people are absolute humorless literalists, aren't you? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. You're right, it must be one of those poetic meanings of "earth" that doesn't mean "earth" at all. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I'm glad you were good in English. Too bad you think Genesis was "written" in that language |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. That's a not very carefully disguised creationist website. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. So... according to your careful translation, the original language is different? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Your original point is bunk, |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. The sequence -- darkness, light everywhere, earth, fish, mammals --is very close |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The threat is to the ability of our common language to mean something. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Prove it. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. People are upset not by your point, which is too obviously wrong to be threatening |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. You've clearly proven yourself to be delusional. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. So you say it's metaphor, then criticize it for not being literal? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Your level of intellectual dishonesty is astounding. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I don't believe I was talking to you. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yeah, well, |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Yeah, well enjoy the hilarity. What "proof" is there for metaphor? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Ad hom. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. It's all over this thread -- in my replies to the person who's not you |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Your replies to others have stated your case |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. No, I mean "you" in particular |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. . |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. You've been claiming it's metaphor AND that it's amazingly accurate as a reflection of reality. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. As a poem, its structure follows the general trajectory of creation |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Imagine dialoguing (or trying to) with someone who keeps saying 1 + 1 = 1 |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. So you can dish it out, |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Actually, it wasn't God who created... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. It was the Babylonian gods. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I know the bible has evidence of early Hebrew hedonism |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I know that's the standard rabbinical and Christian excuse for the mistranslation... |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I don't think there is excuse at least in the rabbinical point of view |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. I know you are pretty good at this stuff so a sincere question |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Major brainfart |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Darnit - thought I was going to learn something new about hedonism! NT |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. LOL |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Also what is most revealing... |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. And if you look in I Kings 11:33... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. I'm glad you're around to tell me what I think. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
101. Ad hominem and, therefore, irrelevant. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
100. Those theories were unknown in the early iron age... |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
6. I thought that according to the story... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Jesus? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
95. Actually, I think it was Larry. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Hence the proverbial "day of rest" at the end... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. The obvious answer.... |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Maybe he liked stumbling |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. God knows His way around creation like the back of his hand... |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. He noticed everything starting to die and realized he effed up bigtime |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. Shipping delays |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. He had to wait for his check to clear to pay the deposit |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. God works in mysterious ways. eom |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. He was stoned, and getting some really good head. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. That's more in line with one of the Egyptian myths. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
73. And the earthly symbol of his Holy Money Shot was the obelisk. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
49. It. Is. All. Bullshit. |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
76. No! The answer is: Jehovah was an idiot. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. ^^^Um, EW!^^^ |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Gee... |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Sorry, I meant no offense. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Not a problem |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Excellent point!!! |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
80. Christians have no idea they practice a religion |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I never thought of it THAT way before. |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #81 |
98. Yeah, it is interesting. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
96. Because it was never meant to be taken literally? |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. It was meant to be taken litteraly |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Then how was it meant to be taken? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
99. The writers Genesis assumed a geocentric model of the universe. |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. "And God made the firmament" |
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