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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 02:42 PM Original message |
What has caused the recent split between science and religion? |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. Fear of the complex drives a rejection and a clinging to the simplistic...aka...teabaggers, birthers |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. What split? They have never been joined. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I meant "split" in the sense of divergence of views ... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I see what you are saying. The split would have been caused by people understanding |
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alex cross (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Recent? |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I meant recent compared to the days when Galileo was alive. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. You might recall that Galileo was threatened into retracting his claim about geocentrism being false |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. There is a huge different between ... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You were the one who used the term "recent" without defining what you meant by that. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If we're required to define every term before we use it ... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Umm.. you were the one who caviled over the definition of "recent".. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I'm simply trying to prevent misunderstanding. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. What? Galileo threatened? No way.......... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. The fact that religion is nothing but fairy tales and science is based on the facts, ... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. The spilt started with the Inquisition. It's nothing new. nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. People who can't see they're two different things. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
15. And among the 182 disorders...... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. Perhaps the union of science and religion was merely an illusion created by coincidence. nt |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. Same thing that caused the split between alchemy and chemistry |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
20. Two diametrically opposed groups agreeing on one thing |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. What church do you attend? |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Currently an ELCA Lutheran |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. I have seen the so-called "Truth Project" productions. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
22. The church persecuted scientists for centuries |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. The anti-science spirit goes back to Emperor Theodosius and his |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Trigger for the Dark Ages? |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. A trigger, as I say, not the only trigger......... |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I think its based on fear MOL |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
23. A divergence of views.... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So, as someone who believes that science and religion can coexist peacefullly, |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'm more of a Bonhoeffer fan, myself. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. As I suspected. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Yeah, I'd say that's fair, for the most part. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. The problem is, |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. If that is the case, then WHICH god is the "why"? |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The problem with God being part of nature is that we can test that. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Then please explain.... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You have just re-worded the "then prove that god doesn't exist" argument. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No, I didn't. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. All I meant by that was... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. The entire notion of the supernatural is |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Leaving so soon? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Giant angels might push the planets around in their orbits... |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Things don't happen because of the laws of physics... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Oh Sal, not the "disprove God" gambit. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It's not the "disprove God" gambit at all.... |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Why is the onus on us, Sal? |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I'm not trying to prove anything.... |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Okay, I'll bite. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Actually, it is the "disprove God" gambit, you've just overdressed it. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Evidence of lack of evidence is what you want? |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Nice try, but no. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You have an interesting way of trying to rephrase what you're saying... |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. DSM-5 is coming out in a few years. |
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