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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 12:59 PM
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Complete religious hypocrisy in the United States
Recently on the whitehouse.gov website there has been a place for people to sign petitions. One petition asked that the phrase “Under God” be removed from the pledge of allegiance, while the other asked to remove “In God we trust” from coins and currency.

Here is the White House response:

Religion in the Public Square

While the President strongly supports every American’s right to religious freedom and the separation of church and state, that does not mean there’s no role for religion in the public square.

Actually, that is exactly what it means. The only way for there to be religious freedom is for the nation to favor no religion or non-religion. The fact that the pledge says “under God” is repulsive to every person who knows that “God” is a completely imaginary being worshiped by delusional adults and foisted upon innocent children.

Religion hurts America. Religion should be banned from the public square. This video explains the reality of the situation:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=2022
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 01:04 PM
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1. Reading the White House statement hurt my damn brain..
Orwell is spinning like a Formula 1 engine and Kafka's ghost is laughing like a madman.

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 01:10 PM
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2. Parsing that statement, I can see an argument that it is accurate
"While the President strongly supports every American’s right to religious freedom and the separation of church and state, that does not mean there’s no role for religion in the public square."

As long as the "role for religion in the public square" is to be conspicuously absent. That is the correct role, imho.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 08:24 PM
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5. People apparently assume that "public square" means government.
It's a limited view.

Put other things in the "public square" that aren't religion and see what happens.

"As long as the 'role for music in the public square' is to be conspicuously absent" makes no important point; yet the government doesn't have a state-sponsored musical form and shouldn't.

Similarly there's no state-sponsored morality (apart from the legal code, and to argue that the legal code = a moral code is to be ludicrous), yet morality has an important role in the public square.

People don't like religion or arguments based on religion; banning it from much of public life is an easy way to remove the competition, especially in a Democracy (tm). The problem is that in a democracy in which there's widespread public participation *everything* fits in the public square. Just not everything fits in what the central government sponsors and promulgates.

Fortunately, the "public square" is not located in Congress. It's much more inclusive and open.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:43 PM
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8. The public square is publicly funded. Religion cannot be established,
not one over another nor any over none. Public funding for religion violates that principle, and thus, religion doesn't belong in the public square. The public park, maybe, but not the public square.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 01:26 PM
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3. !
:grr:
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 03:02 PM
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4. At no time in the history of the US has an absolute separation
between C&S existed, nor does the Constitution recognize it.
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Thats my opinion Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:39 PM
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6. Your only option is to
revoke the first amendment to the Constitution which guarantees for religion, "the free exercise thereof." But that is not the American way.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:41 PM
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7. Sounds awfully familiar. You're forgetting the entire sentence that comes before that clause.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:12 PM
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9. Not forgetting, ignoring.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:16 PM
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10. How very humble.
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