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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 01:52 PM Original message |
I admit that I fail to see how putting up a referendum repealing prop 8 in 2010 is a good idea |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. IMO Brown's strategy was correct arguing same-sex marriage is an "inalienable right" under CA's |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. His was the only thing I could see the court buying |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. There really is no court precedent in CA to rule that marriage is an "inalienable" right |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. I don't buy "no court precedent". Its the Supremes job to make precedents. n/t |
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Ginny from the Block (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Equal Protection Under the Law at the Federal Law should usurp state law anyway |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I agree, partly. |
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Ginny from the Block (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Point well taken. But the problem is people confuse the word marriage! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. absolutely |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Do you feel that there would be strong support for civil unions for everyone? |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. If I understand the Libertarian approach? |
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Ginny from the Block (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. A rose by any other name should smell just as sweet............ |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The law needs to be the same for all and marriage is the law. |
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Ginny from the Block (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Great letter! I pasted the part we're specifically discussing........ |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Welcome to DU! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. It doesn't matter |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I will admit to be surprised in 2003 with Lawerence |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. another tactic |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Excellent idea. n/t |
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katanalori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. On the other hand..... |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. the people of Iowa didn't vote FOR ssm |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Indeed, the difference is that Iowa has MUCH tougher laws to amend the state constitution |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. The underlying principle is correct. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Gay marriage has not been legalized through a vote of the people in any state yet. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Speaking of |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. Prop 8 goes far beyond the gay and lesbian community... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yeah, they should wait until 2012. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Not 2012 |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. One thing you've gotten, since prop 8 passed it's motivated gay rights supporters nationwide |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Momentum, keep up the pressure |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. exactly |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. +2 |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. Fewer homophobic Democrats are likely to go to the polls |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. Since the repeal, at least two more states have approved gay marriage. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. We should have the vote in 2010, and then as often as we need to after that until it passes. |
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pup_ajax (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. again and again and again ... until |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. money and people are not unlimited |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
23. I can see how 2010 might be much better than 2008 in California....Follow me.... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. It was more like 60/40 but I think the lack of black voters will be overwhelmed |
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RufusH (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
29. Nah. I say put it up to vote EVERY election. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Welcome to DU! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. It's an idiotic idea. It says that we condone people voting on our civil rights. Idiotic. |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
40. Repealing Prop 8 will underscore the idiocy of CA's ballot initiative system. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
43. My question: |
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