Who else will not be voting for candidates that don't stand for marriage equality?

[MNBrewer]

Civil Unions doesn't cut it. Any candidate that doesn't support my rights doesn't get my vote.

[dkf]

1. You aren't voting for President?

[MNBrewer]

2. Depends on Obama's stated position on election day.

[Ian David]

3. I'm with you on this, but I'm still voting for President Obama, because the alternative...

... is too terrible to bear imagining.

[MNBrewer]

5. To each his own.

I just can't tolerate the idea of putting another marginally-helpful-yet-marginally-homophobic Democratic candidate back in office.

[Ian David]

11. "When it comes to voting, when we only have two choices, you got to grow up...

"When it comes to voting, when we only have two choices, you got to grow up and realize there's a big difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy."-- Bill Maher

[MNBrewer]

27. People who say there are only two choices are wrong.

[Pab Sungenis]

29. There is a big difference between disappointing friends and deadly enemies, yes.

The disappointing friends are more likely to stab you in the back, whereas with the enemies you can keep your eyes on them.

It happened here. We threw out a pro-gay Republican state Senator in my district four years ago, and I actively campaigned for the man who replaced him. Then that Democrat stabbed us in the back by voting against marriage and bragging about it.

He's also stabbed the unions in the back by supporting the Governor's union busting regulation. The Republican he replaced was a union member.

So the disappointing friend proved deadlier to us than the "deadly enemy."

[mitchtv]

4. I will vote that way, but will vote for Obama as exception

to the rule for DADT , one time only,

[Jnana]

6. If you don't vote, you can't bitch. And sometimes the only viable option is the

lesser of two evils. It may still be evil, but less is preferable to more.

[MNBrewer]

7. That's a cute strategy

but it doesn't get us anywhere. When homophobe Democrats stop getting gay votes just because they have a D next to their name, they'll either change their mind, or won't get nominated any more. Either way I think my strategy is a better long-term path.

[Ian David]

12. Why do you want the far-right bigots behind the Kill The Gays bill in Uganda to win? n/t

[MNBrewer]

13. How will voting for centrist Democrat bigots have any affect

on the kill the gays bill in Uganda?

[Ian David]

14. For someone so "concerned" about gay rights, you seem to not have been paying attention.

Also, that wasn't the main point.

I did not say, "Elect more Democrats to save Ugandan Gays."

I asked WHY you want to HELP ELECT the same people who encouraged Uganda to kill gay people.

[MNBrewer]

16. For someone so concerned about gay rights in Uganda

you seem to care remarkably little about them at home.

[Ian David]

18. Nose.. face... spite. n/t

[MNBrewer]

19. You might not take your vote seriously, but I do

[Ian David]

21. I certainly do. But you seem to believe it is more important to "send a message"...

... than to elect someone who does not want to kill you.

[MNBrewer]

23. Who in the WORLD are you talking about when you reference someone who wants to "kill" me?

[Ian David]

25. ...

[MNBrewer]

26. While I appreciate a good Republican bashing as much as the next person

Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul do NOT want to kill me.

I wouldn't put it past Bachmann

[MNBrewer]

24. You think you don't "Send a message" with your vote?

The message is "please, go ahead and take me and my vote for granted. I'll forgive any homophobic bigotry you have because you're a Democrat"

[MNBrewer]

17. And, which "Kill the Gays in Uganda" candidates would I be helping to elect?

In your analysis.... which I dispute.

[Ian David]

20. Here, let me google that for you...

http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/08/19/bachmann-hires-kill-the-gays-bill-supporter-arrested-for-terrorism/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/killing-ugandas-gays-the_b_378350.html

http://godsownparty.com/blog/2011/05/uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-in-the-name-of-god/

http://www.care2.com/causes/ugandan-kill-the-gays-bill-reaches-back-into-us-politics.html

[MNBrewer]

22. So...based on these articles

I'll somehow be helping to elect -

President Bachmann (as though she could win the nomination)
Rev. Rick Warren (interesting that he'd be on the list, given who HE pals around with)
Mike Huckabee - what's HE running for?
Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater - again, what's HE running for?
Bart Stupak D-MI (hmm...a DEMOCRAT on the list?)
Joe Pitts R-PA
Sen. John Ensign R-NV
Sen. Brownback R-KS
Sen. Inhofe R-OK
Second mention of Rick Warren, the man Obama chose to give a prayer at his Inauguration.
President Santorum (again, won't be the nominee in all likelihood)
Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern

Well, sorry to disappoint, but by not voting for Democrats who don't support SSM, I will not be helping to elect ANY of the people mentioned in your linked articles.

You can't name even ONE candidate linked to the Kill the Gays in Uganda movement that I would be having an effect on?

Here's a hint. I live in Minnesota's 5th Congressional District.
Hint 2: It's Keith Ellison's district, not Michele Bachmann's.

[MNBrewer]

47. Still can't identify any?

[MNBrewer]

61. No names of "Kill the Gays in Uganda" politicians I'll be helping, yet?

[Jnana]

53. Well, you don't have to be that good of a shot to shoot yourself in the foot.

[Puglover]

8. Bullcrap.

I can bitch whenever and however I wish too. Nice try though. :hi:

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[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. 1st amendment is not contingent on voting

[Jnana]

51. Yeah, but if you aren't voting, no one is listening.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

60. says who?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. in local elections, yes (wont vote unless they support equality), in federal ones, no

[FreeState]

15. Im doing a mix of this - up to state and some some federal

If it comes down to the President I will vote for Obama even if at the time he still hasn't "evolved." However, that being said, Im going to scream bloody murder until he does do the right thing and publicly support all Americans Civil Rights.

[Pab Sungenis]

28. Me.

Already voting against three candidates at the state level who not only voted against marriage equality but made robocalls bragging about it.

[MNBrewer]

30. My State Rep and Sen both voted against the Minnesota anti-SSM Const. Amendment

Other than President, and maybe US Senator, I think all my reps are pro-equality.

[Rowdyboy]

31. How nice for you...I live in Mississippi. No candidate of either party is for marriage equality....

And that includes all offices from governor to state representative. We have an election week after next. Should I just not vote?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. good point. nt

[Pab Sungenis]

42. Yes.

Then in the next primary, offer up candidates who back your issues.

[MNBrewer]

46. That's up to you

Only you get to decide how to cast your votes. Good luck.

[Hydra]

33. Well, I find it pretty easy actually

The people who don't support equal rights usually don't support my other positions either. Case in point, the current POTUS. Now, I admit to being torn...do I not vote for that person, or do I vote for that person to make it clear to people that voting doesn't do anything?

Eh, hard to say, considering that we probably haven't seen an unrigged election since Carter.

[queerart]

34. This Is The Very Problem With One Issue Queer Voting.....

You want the same rights that heterosexuals have... Blah, Blah, Blah.... and..... OH BOO Fucking Hoo.....

You better consider what your one vote not cast for a (small d) demi-God could create on the QPDTC... better known as the:

Queer Projected Domino Theory Continuum


1) Grown adults could be legally bound to give their dogs worming medication, then forced to dance Irish jigs barefoot in their own back yards where their pets have been kept for the past 6 hours!

2) The elderly could be mandated to eat rocky road ice cream cones, made with real rocks!

3) Top runway models could be forced to eat Chicharróns cooked in lard, while washing it down with triple chocolate chip milk shakes!

4) Fred Phelps could become a Torch Song Drag performer!

5) You yourself could be caught up in legislation that forces every privately owned home to display at least one painted version on velvet of the Dog Poker Game!

6) The 3rd born, of the 5th born's cousin's manicurists outhouse could develop a leak in their roof!

7) Botanical gardens across Europe could be pressured to only grow fart scented tulips!

8) Luxury Cruise Ships could be constrained to just a single port of call, the moon!

9) Every Gay Bear In San Francisco could find themselves hairless..... over night!

10) The Logo channel could start playing nothing but re-runs of RuPauls Drag Race 24 hours a day!

11) Fluffy white bunnies at Sunny Brook Farms could be castrated uen masse to make tiny fur scrotum hats for balding mice!

12) Men all across the World could start spontaneously lactating! Do you really want to force a nursing bra onto the entire male population of the World?!




Now, do you now see the error of your ways? All that could happen if you don't do what we have decided you should do?!




In the name of everything that is scary, think about what you are about to do.... then come to what we have decided is the rational thing to do...


Then Follow These simple rules:

1) STFU
2) Get Out Your Check Book
3) Pound The Pavement For The Candidate Of Our Choice (as you should not be allowed to make such a huge decision on your own)
4) Donate Your Time To The Campaign Of Our Candidate (which is best for you, if only you realized it)
5) Then Cast Your Vote In The Correct Way We Have Decided You Should...


SEE? How Simple That Was To Do The Right Thing That We Decided For You?!

[NMMNG]

36. Every time I hear "One Issue Voter" I want to scream

Our rights and our lives are not one issue.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. marriage is not one issue, but its not all the issues either

a good example is happening in ny now. cuomo slashed the homeless youth budget. turns out about 50% of homeless youth are lgbt. is that not an lgbt issue?

[NMMNG]

38. Of course marriage isn't the only issue

It's generally our opponents who like to pretend that's all we're about.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. in this case though, the OP is actually making it the only issue

there are economic issues that affect LGBT people too, not just marriage.

[William769]

41. How is Gay marriage not a economic issue?

With all the tax laws, families & income tax. Even DADT! look at how our GLBT service members are disadvantaged over economics & it's all tied to marriage inequality.

In my opinion the majority of our economics is tied to marriage inequality.

I would rather see & fight the devil I know than the devil that pretends to by on my side.

ON EDIT: I will apologize in advance if I took your post in the wrong manner.

[Pab Sungenis]

43. Our not being married costs us over $1,000 a year in Federal Taxes.

We're mainly a one-income household. Because of the fucked-up nature of civil unions in New Jersey we have to do at least five different tax returns (the State insists upon a theoretical "married filing jointly" and/or two "married filing separately" Federal returns to be filed with our State return) so we see all of the different scenarios.

If we were allowed to file Federally as "married, filing jointly" our Federal taxes last year would have been $1,200.00 less than they actually were. And it's been that way with every tax year since we got our civil union in 2007. Never less than $900.00 difference, usually over $1,000.00.

So for us marriage IS an economic issue.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. its is an economic issue, my point is there are other economic issues too

[Pab Sungenis]

56. But without rights

the economic issues don't matter. I'd rather be a free peasant than a rich slave.

[MNBrewer]

45. I think you're mischaracterizing what I said

While that one issue is enough to disqualify a candidate, I never said that was the only issue I would be looking at.

[Pab Sungenis]

48. I wouldn't vote for someone who advocated gay marriage

while pushing for cuts to social services to fund another round of tax cuts.

But I WON'T vote for someone who has a progressive economic program who also votes to deny me my basic human rights. I'll sit out an election rather than do that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. so what is your suggestion, when everyone at a local level doesnt

support marriage equality but some want to repeal DADT and others dont.

there are other lgbt issues too. that's what i am confused about.

[Gman]

35. I really don't care if they support marriage equality or not

If they don't, I'll still vote for them as long as they're supporting our economic issues.

[Hydra]

40. Yep, cuz people who don't care about human rights

Do such a good job in the realm of fair economic policies too!

[Pab Sungenis]

44. "I really don't care if they support blacks having to sit at the back of a bus or not.:

"If they don't, I'll still vote for them as long as they're supporting our economic issues."

How would you think you would sound back in the 1960's saying that? About the same as you saying you don't care about my civil rights now.

The majority probably wouldn't give a shit, but those that were affected would see it as life and death.

And history did not treat those who said such things in the 1960's kindly, and won't treat those who are indifferent to our rights now any better.

[Gman]

54. I don't care and that is a false comparison

it doesn't matter.

[Pab Sungenis]

55. How is it a false comparison?

If anything, the fundamental right to marriage is even MORE important than sitting at the front of a bus.

So you're saying you don't care that people's civil rights are violated as long as you have more money in your pocket?

[William769]

57. With friends like this who needs enemies?

Now how many times have you said that here?

[Pab Sungenis]

58. Not enough.

Just because someone calls themselves a Democrat doesn't mean they'll act like one. Look at Ben Nelson. How long did we keep him enabled while he voted against nearly every Democratic initiative?

[lightningandsnow]

59. For me it's usually indicative of a bad stance on other issues, too.

My situation is different because I live somewhere with marriage equality, but I have a few other issues that are really important to me (reproductive rights, sex education, raising the social assistance rates, and decriminalizing sex work). I sometimes have to bend a bit on the decrim thing as it's rare to find a politician who's vocally in support. But if they don't support marriage equality, they probably don't support the other issues important to me, too. If I lived in the US and the Democratic choice was really distasteful, I'd probably vote third party or abstain from that vote, but I'd probably be willing to compromise for someone who may not be vocally in support of marriage equality but wasn't against it either.

[marriageequality824]

62. I wont