I'm conflicted and confused

[WillParkinson]

I received an e-mail from Barack Obama's website regarding the McClurkin issue. Of course it was the standard reply, but it also included a letter from a group who said they stand with him despite this.

I cannot be that person. Below is my reply to his letter. For the first time since I've been of voting age I find that I do not know if I can support a Democractic candidate if he or she is the chosen nominee.

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I just received a letter regarding Obama and Donnie McClurkin at the recent event. It details how he feels that we need to confront those we disagree with. Does that mean that we also need to let them MC the event? Regardless of that, does that mean that we can expect to see a member of the Ku Klux Klan given the opportunity to MC one of Mr. Obama's tours soon? After all, if we need to speak to those we disagree with, this would be the perfect opportunity to do so.

Oh, and by the way, the ridiculous comment made by Mr. Obama that Mr. McClurkin only wants to change unhappy gays is beyond an affront. It shows Mr. Obama's lack of knowledge on what it means to be a gay person. People should be shown you can be happy with who you are. Not go to some quack who claims he can make you an ex-gay.

For these reasons I cannot and will not support Mr. Obama, even if he is the Democratic nominee.

[NMMNG]

1. Hear, hear

Obama and friends need to visit Ex-Gay Watch and learn the truth about the psycho-spiritual terrorists known as the "ex-gay" movement. They aren't helping anything or anyone, unless you count their bank accounts.

[readmoreoften]

2. I'm with you. He also supports military expansionism, apparently.

This man is no liberal. I will not vote for him. That's been decided since this man:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1241

wrote this:

/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702027.html

Apparently bipartisanship means a bundle of shit I will not vote for.

[mitchtv]

4. His willingness to consider Nuclear power as part of his plan

Is a deal beaker for me, were he not already excluded. I don't trust him on Social security either

[David Zephyr]

13. Is Hillary's willingness to consider nuclear power a deal breaker for you, too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cZqtrvDIVs

[mitchtv]

14. I like John Edwards

I hate to be in the position of defending Hillary

[readmoreoften]

15. So hilarious that you can have a poster on ignore and yet still know exactly what they said. /nt

[mitchtv]

16. huh?

I don't have anyone on ignore, You have me on ignore?

[aquart]

3. Oh, dear.

That's such an ....insular thing to say. And no one exists in his campaign who could have intervened and educated him? He's what? 45? You would think he would have learned by now how many varieties of people we have in this country... How does he unite people who don't exist for him?

But someone should have told him. So now I'm asking for the first time, who is Barack Obama surrounding himself with? And why don't THEY know?

[WillParkinson]

5. BTW...here is my original reply from him

Dear Will,

Thank you for sharing your strong objections to past statements of one of the performers on the recent South Carolina gospel tour. I appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns directly because I strongly disagree with Pastor McClurkin's deeply hurtful and offensive statements about sexual orientation.

I have always clearly stated my belief that members of the LGBT community are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently supported gay rights throughout my career, and I will continue to work for an open, tolerant society where people of all sexual orientations are protected and their contributions are valued.

To honor my commitment to promoting tolerance on the gospel tour, I asked Rev. Andy Sidden, an openly gay South Carolina pastor, to open the tour and offer a prayer. I'm glad he joined us, because we have to speak to people we disagree with in order to confront issues that are important to gay and black communities, like the HIV/AIDS epidemic. I have spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts of the Black community, and I will continue to be outspoken on this issue.

More broadly, we need to create a productive dialogue between people of opposing views, and I had a good conversation about this with Joe Solmonese, President of the Human Rights Campaign. After our conversation, Mr. Solmonese issued a statement that said, in part:

"I did thank .. for his willingness to call on religious leaders to open a dialogue about homophobia. We hope that Sen. Obama will move forward and facilitate face-to-face meetings with religious leaders, like Rev. McClurkin, and the GLBT community to confront the issue of homophobia."

"We also call on all of the presidential campaigns to look within their ranks of supporters and make the same commitment to engage in a dialogue among differing views around issues of equality and fairness for our community."

A group of LGBT and religious leaders have also embraced this opportunity to open a dialogue, and you can find an open letter from them below. I've said before that America's diversity is its greatest strength. In order to confront the challenges of our day, we must be able to get past the divisions which have upheld our progress in the past. I am committed to building those bridges to a better future.

Thank you again for contacting me and sharing your concerns.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama

October 24, 2007

To Whom It May Concern:

As representatives of Barack Obama supporters from the African American religious community and the gay community, we are issuing a statement together for the first time. Our letter addresses the recent issue of Pastor Donnie McClurkin singing at Senator Obama's "Embrace the Change" concert series. In the midst of division, we hope and believe that this is a moment to bring together communities that have been divided for far too long.

A few things are clear.

First, Pastor McClurkin believes and has stated things about sexual orientation that are deeply hurtful and offensive to many Americans, most especially to gay Americans. This cannot and should not be denied.

At the same time, a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs. This also cannot be ignored.

Finally, we believe that the only way for these two sides to find common ground is to do so together.

Not at arms length. Not in a war of words with press and pundits. Only together.

It is clear that Barack Obama is the only candidate who has made bringing these two often disparate groups together a goal. In gatherings of LGBT Americans and African Americans of faith, Obama has stated that all individuals should be afforded full civil rights regardless of their sexual orientation, and that homophobia must be eradicated in every corner of our nation. If we are to end homophobia and secure full civil rights for gay Americans, then we need an advocate within the Black community like Barack Obama.

At the same time, while Obama has said that he "strongly disagrees" with Pastor McClurkin's comments, he will not exclude from his campaign the many Americans including many in the African American community who believe the same as Pastor McClurkin.

We believe that Barack Obama is constructing a tent big enough for LGBT Americans who know that their sexual orientation is an innate and treasured part of their being, and for African American ministers and citizens who believe that their religion prevents them from fully embracing their gay brothers and sisters. And if we are to confront our shared challenges we have to join together, build on common ground, and engage in a civil dialogue even when we disagree.

We also ask Senator Obama's critics to consider the alternatives. Would we prefer a candidate who ignores the realities in the African American community and cuts off millions of Blacks who believe things offensive to many Americans? Or a panderer who tells African Americans what they want to hear, at the expense of our gay brothers and sisters? Or would we rather stand with Barack Obama, who speaks truth in love to both sides, pulling no punches but foreclosing no opportunities to engage?

We stand with Senator Obama. We stand with him because of the solutions he is proposing for our nation. We stand with him because of his character and his judgment. But the most important reason we stand with him is because today, as he has done all along, Barack Obama is causing us to stand together.

That's the kind of President we need, and we are proud to support him.

Sincerely,

Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr.
Olivet Institutional Baptist Church
Chair, Obama National African American Religious Leaders Working Group
Cleveland, Ohio
Stampp Corbin
Chair, Obama National LGBT Leadership Council
Former Member of Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors
Columbus, Ohio

Tobias Barrington Wolff
Chair, Obama LGBT Policy Committee
Professor of Law, University of Pennsylvania Law School
Philadelphia, PA
The Reverend Stephen John Thurston
President
National Baptist Convention of America
Chicago, IL

The Reverend Alvin Love
President
Baptist General State Convention of Illinois, Inc.
Bishop E. Earl McCloud, Jr.
Office of Ecumenical & Urban Affairs
African Methodist Episcopal Church
Atlanta, GA
Steven Latasa-Nicks
President, The Phelon Group, Inc.
Former Human Rights Campaign Board of Governors
New York, NY
Maxim Thorne
Former COO, Human Rights Campaign
Paterson, NJ


Phil Burgess
Former Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors
Chicago, IL
Rev. Dr. Barbara Williams-Skinner
Skinner Leadership Institute
Tracy's Landing, MD

Rev. Michael Pfleger
St. Sabina, Chicago
Rev. Edward Taylor
San Jose, CA

The Reverend Robert H. Thompson
Exeter, NH
Sharon Malheiro
LGBT Activist
Des Moines, IA

Hon. Jon Cooper
Majority Leader, Suffolk County (NY) Legislature Rev. Paul Hobson Sadler, Sr., Pastor
Mt. Zion Congregational UCC

[plantwomyn]

12. Check out the "gay community" leaders who signed

Maxine Thorne - Media Consultant - NJ
Steven Latasa Nicke - Strategy Consultant -NY
Phil Burgess - Nat. Dir. Pharmacy Affairs - WALGREENS also Ill. State Board of Pharmacy - IL
While Sharon Malheiro if an Attorney in Iowa and is actually an ACTIVIST in the community the others may have a vested interest in the campaign.

[bigscott]

6. there is really nothing to be confused about

For my 1000th post I have to respond to your post. I am in the same boat as you, but I am not confused in any way. I am disappointed. I expected so much more from this man. I expected an African American to understand how gays continue to be persecuted in this country. I expected Senator Obama to understand that standing with agents of hate and intolerance of gays alienates more than just gays.

There are a lot of people over in GD who pounce on me every time I bring up the McClurkin BS and their viciousness has gotten as bad as the GOP hate-mongers.

Senator Obama needs to understand that by NOT denouncing the "gay-curer" he condones this thinking and sends a message to the independents he so desperately courts that he too considers homosexuality a choice, and a bad one at that. His appeal for bipartisanship guarantees he will work with the rabid right wing if he is elected. I dont want to work with these people. They have caused so much damage to the country and to the community WHY would anyone want to work with them. i want them defeated and marginalized politically.

If this man is elected, any chance of progressing equal rights for the GLBT community is gone. Any chance of repealing DADT is gone. Any chance of equality for me, you and those like us is gone.

I am not a Hillary supporter but I cannot get enthused by BOH. I am not confused, i am disappointed and sad that we have come so far but still have not made any progress

Peace:pals:

[meegbear]

9. My feelings exactly BS ...

and I don't mean 'BS'.

[Prophet 451]

10. I disagree only on one thing

"If this man is elected, any chance of progressing equal rights for the GLBT community is gone. Any chance of repealing DADT is gone."

Since I'd imagine there will also be a large Dem contingent on Congress, he may be forced to move on those issues.

Otherwise, you summed it up well, thanks.

[bigscott]

11. I pray you're right

But he speaks so much about bipartisanship that I don't believe it will happen. My faith in the Dems in Congress has declined a bit over the past 12 months. I had such high hopes for Speaker Pelosi et al.

I have to stop thinking about it or :nuke:

Peace!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. are there no unhappy fucking straights? and should we try to turn them gay?

goddamned fuck!

[qb]

8. My trust for Obama has dropped to zero.

He has said all the right things about supporting LGBT, but he hides those statements in e-mails and pdfs so not too many people see them. This and his refusal to completely disassociate himself from a hateful phony ex-gay who inflicts real harm on the gay youth he "counsels" gives me no confidence that his statements about LGBT are anything more than empty words meant to appease.