My apologies to the Gay community for something I posted this morning.

[trumad]

I hope some of you know me well enough to know that I would never do anything intentionally to insult the gay community. I pride myself in the big tent philosophy and I try very very hard to not use words that insult folks of a different race, gender or sexual preference. (New England Patriot fans, that's a different story).

I used the word "faggot" this morning in a thread and that was wrong, and I should have known better.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4856618&mesg_id=4856618

Look--- here's the thing about DU. From day one of posting here, (2001) I've made a bucket load of mistakes with the words I've used. But I can honestly tell you that I've learned from my mistakes and do my best to put into play what I have learned. Has DU made me a better person because of things like this? You bet. We police each other when we make mistakes and to me, that's a good thing.

So thanks for calling me out on this boneheaded moment of mine and I promise to try and and not repeat it.

tru

[soleft]

1. Thank you Trumad

:hug:

[SoFlaJet]

2. It's a crappy word

as is "sexist" and "racist" and "homophobic" ANY of these names that are too quickly bandied around should be off-limits and I wish they would just stop

[LostinVA]

7. Just so you know -- I think you wandered in the GLBT forum by accident

Disgusting post.

[NMMNG]

10. I thought something smelled bad in here

x(

[LostinVA]

13. It's bad enough reading this shit in GD:P, but to have it brought into GLBT is sickening

[NMMNG]

15. Somebody obviously didn't pay attention to where they were

I'd like them to stop bandying about certain words too, like "Obama". ;-)

[LostinVA]

21. Actually, I think they probably did pay attention to where they were

[NMMNG]

25. You're probably right

I keep forgetting how bad things have gotten around here.

[Zuiderelle]

12. How can you compare "faggot" to "sexist," "racist" and "homophobic"? That's insane.

That's like comparing being gay to being a sinner. It's insulting as hell.

Sexist is not a crappy word, it's a crappy thing to be, as is being racist or homophobic. Faggot, on the other hand, is a crappy word, but not at all a crappy thing to be.

Sexists, racists and homophobes should be pointed out as often as possible.

[NMMNG]

16. Some people have issues

That is all.

[SoFlaJet]

18. well that's your opinion

I despise being called a sexist as much as I'm sure the gays and lesbians around here hate being called any of the names used to derive the GLcommunity-which I choose not to repeat

[LostinVA]

20. Then, stop posting sexist things

It's simple.

[Zuiderelle]

22. I call sexists sexists. It's nothing like calling a gay man a faggot, and you know it.

[SoFlaJet]

24. how would you know?

How would you, who is NOT a man that has a wife, two daughters and a granddaughter that he treats like a Queen and princesses-how would you know how I feel? You don't and maybe you people who are so quick to cast aspersions should stop and think for a minute or two BEFORE accusing people of things that you know nothing about

[Zuiderelle]

28. What? What the hell are you talking about?

You have to know that faggot is a term of derision used against a minority, and sexist is simply a word to describe someone who exhibits sexism. You can simply look in a dictionary to see the difference in those two words.

fag·got /ˈfægət/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a male homosexual.

sex·ist /ˈsɛksɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. pertaining to, involving, or fostering sexism: a sexist remark; sexist advertising.
–noun
2. a person with sexist attitudes or behavior.

sex·ism (sěk'sĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.


Your offense is much exaggerated I think.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Fearless]

36. I wish I had the fortitude to leave and not come back...

That said:

:evilgrin:

[LostinVA]

37. Ugh -- go back to GD:P so you be with your kind

[Fearless]

41. What specifically do you want to confront me about?

I'd be glad to have a civil discussion.

[LostinVA]

44. I wasn't responding to you

[Zuiderelle]

43. You post on an apology thread to the GLBT community in the GLBT forum and call one of us an asshole.

You have a lot of nerve. I appreciate Trumad's apology, your responses have no place here.

[Fearless]

49. Who are you to say that?

[Zuiderelle]

50. Please stop following me around.

Besides making no sense, you are really beginning to bother me.

[Fearless]

61. I thought I asked you to stop following me around already?

[Bluebear]

120. Clue: Why don't you leave this forum to 'the gays and lesbians around here'? Bye!

[Ian David]

77. Is the phrase "Bigoted Fuckwad" bandied around too quickly, too?

I'm just asking.

In case I decide to use it on someone sometime.

Not that I'm thinking of anyone in particular... necessarily.

[Fearless]

84. Perhaps you could initiate a run for phrase of the year... like asshat was last year.

[Midlodemocrat]

122. Perhaps we could initiate a run for asshole of the year. Hey! You win!

[LostinVA]

129. ...

:applause:

[Maven]

82. Are you fucking kidding me?

GTFO of here and don't come back until you realize that calling someone a faggot and calling someone a homophobe are not the same thing.

Asshole.

[LostinVA]

111. He's not

:puke:

[Midlodemocrat]

121. Disgusting.

:puke:


Go away.

[Midlodemocrat]

124. If wishes were horses, blah, blah, blah

[meegbear]

3. No offense taken ...

:hug:

[Tyo]

5. No worries from this direction

:hi:

[TechBear_Seattle]

4. Thank you for your apology

I recognized the context and wasn't too bothered, but I don't blame those who found it offensive. Thank you for your apology, it is appreciated and accepted.

[qb]

6. I didn't see a problem using it in the context you did...

but I can also understand how viscerally offensive that word is to a lot of people.

:hi:

[terrya]

8. Thank you for your apology, Trumad.

Being the recipient of that particular word in the past, I find it deeply offensive. Personally, I don't think there's a circumstance where it's appropriate.

I appreciate your apology. Thank you.

[Zuiderelle]

9. That's very honorable of you.

I wish more people could recognize that when people are offended we should look in a mirror for the cause of it, instead of reacting defensively. Thank you for doing that.

[racaulk]

11. Thank you, trumad.

No worries. :hi:

[NMMNG]

14. ...

Just kidding. This time. ;-)

[Fearless]

17. It's not the word it's the context.

I'm not going to judge what the context was and I'm not even going to look at the original thread. I'm just saying that words are just letters it's the meaning behind them that matters.

[Creideiki]

19. Not so sure

There's the "N" word that really has no place in polite society (attempts to reclaim within the given community notwithstanding--"polite" society involves layers of integration). There's also the "C" word that if I ever used would cause my mother to TELEPORT the thousand miles between her house and mine so she could jam a bar of soap so far down my throat I'd be farting bubbles.

There are ugly words that should just be given cement overshoes and dropped into the Chicago River never to be seen or heard from again.

As for me, I'm pretty much always ready to accept a sincere apology.

[Fearless]

26. That's where we differ my friend...

I don't see a problem with combinations of letters. If someone wants to call me a faggot affectionately then I wouldn't get angry at them. Of course if someone wanted to call me "freedom" and find in it some way to be hurtful then I would be angry. Otherwise I see a difference.

Further I question what you see as "polite" society and "given communities". It sounds to me like boarderline racism. But that's just my opinion.

In his own immortal words, I give you George Carlin:

"There are 400,000 words in the English language, and there are 7 you can't say on television. What a ratio that is! 399,993...to 7. They must really be baaaad. They must be OUTRAGEOUS to be separated from a group that large. "All of you words over here, you seven....baaaad words". That's what they told us, right? "That's a bad word!!" Awwww. No bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad intentions, and wooooords. You know the seven, don't ya? That you can't say on TV? Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits. Huh? Those are the heavy seven. Those are the words that'll infect your soul, curve your spine, and keep the country from winning the war. Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits, wow!"

[Creideiki]

30. Some people

are, I'm told, trying to reclaim the power of negative words. Hence, the "N" word. Then last year I had a white student whose mother married an African American man and was adopted by the new father. His friends were predominantly African American. The poor kid almost got the stuffing beaten out of him when African American students that were not in his circle of friends heard him using the word casually toward his friends. Apparently, even in a definitely friendly context, others did not agree. I will defer to those others and their sensibilities even while I try to mediate between the parties and try to help the confused white student see how he can avoid what others saw was deliberate aggravation.

[Fearless]

32. I do not bend to pressure.

It was wrong for this child to have been beaten. I will not cower and give his attackers power. If someone wants to beat me for using a word in good faith, then they are wrong and they can beat me but I won't stop using that word or any word if it fulfills some need in conversation.

[Zuiderelle]

23. Bullshit.

[Fearless]

27. Please stop following me around.

[Zuiderelle]

29. It's impossible to avoid you, you've been posting all over this forum.

Very funny.

[Fearless]

31. It is very simple to avoid me... stop answering my posts to other people.

[terrya]

33. Here's some context for you re: the word "faggot"

www.godhatesfags.com

There you go.

[Fearless]

35. Are you actually using that link in this forum?

That is the kind of thing I would take offense to. But I'm a faggot and proud of it and I'm damn sure there are others here who would say the exact same thing.

There are two sides of the same coin.

[LostinVA]

38. I think you could learn a thing or two from Terrya

[Fearless]

40. We could all learn a lot from each other.

[terrya]

39. See, the very first thing I think of when that word is used is Fred Phelps.

But, to each his own.

If you want to be a faggot, knock yourself out.

[Fearless]

42. I will be a faggot. Thank you.

I know that some people have had experiences with that word and others that make them feel that they are harmful or hateful and I think I understand that. I just ask that if we ever actually cross paths that you feel free to call me anything you want in good faith.

Cheers!
NTF

[Zuiderelle]

45. Do you link every post of yours to your journal?

Are you really that proud of them? Please stop pretending to be gay and leave.

[Fearless]

53. Are you mocking me now?

I am gay and I don't care if you believe me and I'm not leaving I have every right to be here and every right to debate in a calm and civil manner. Find one thing I've said that discriminates against gays. Find one thing I said that calls the movement a joke or wrong or sinful and I will leave and never come back.

Otherwise, understand this: I will not be quiet just because some people won't like what I have to say. I will not have my sexuality called into question. And I will not tolerate discrimination.

[Zuiderelle]

55. LOL! You won't tolerate discrimination, but you don't mind being called a "faggot"

You're quite humorous.

If you are indeed gay, then it's a sad thing that you think our equality is not something worth fighting for in the form of our vote. It's a very sad thing. All the other noise you make and posturing for sympathy as if you are a victim of attack here doesn't change what you've said.

[Fearless]

57. What have I said?

That I believe that this nations rights are being eroded and they need to be restored? That I think that Obama will be more electable in the GE? That I believe that either candidate will be a plus for the GLBT movement? That neither candidate supports universal marriage? That neither candidate will get done what you want to get done as neither support full marriage rights? What have I said? Give me a quotation in context.

[LostinVA]

46. Honestly, I don't think your gay act is fooling many people

And, your proud defense of the word "faggot" has no place on DU.

[terrya]

47. I'm 51 years old.

I've been out since I was 22. In those years since, I've dated, been friends with, known, talked to, many gay men. And not ONE of them thought of themselves as a faggot. Not one.

How many gay guys are here on DU? Again, I haven't encountered one who considers himself to be a faggot. Until, apparently, this guy. Let's just say it's very...unusual.

[LostinVA]

48. I've never known a gay man to consider himself a faggot either

His posts in GLBT sure have been...interesting.

[BillSam]

51. I, too, have personally never encountered a gay man

who wanted to be referred to -- even jokingly or affectionately -- with the 'f-g" word, and I've also been out for many years, known many gay men.

Unfortunately, I've encountered gay men like this on blogs and message boards. Their attitude is that if it's a gay friend or gay-friendly person using the term with affection (?), it's okay with them. Others feel it strips the word of power if the oppressed use it themselves.

I don't agree. I HATE the word and the negative attitudes toward homosexuality that it implies.

I wish I could give credit where its due, but an African-American leader in New York last year whose name I can't recall implored blacks to stop using the "n" word with each other, that use of the ugly word should be eradicated among blacks and whites alike. I feel the same way about the "f-g" word and its variations.

I think our using the term only gives it more power, not less.

I don't want ANYONE calling me a "f-g" and that's that!

[LostinVA]

52. I think it was Bill Cosby that said that about the "n" word

[Fearless]

54. It was Bill Cosby.

[Fearless]

59. Why shouldn't I call myself a faggot?

Words only mean what you want them to mean.

And, now you have met a gay guy that will call himself a faggot and I've met a man who has never heard a gay guy call himself a faggot. The world is always fully of surprizes.

Ed. Sp.

[mitchtv]

76. scarce as hen's teeth

them's fighting words. Tho in family it is sometimes used ( usually with sarcasm)

[Fearless]

85. Exactly, but no real harm is meant.

A perfectly cromulent word.

:rofl:

[Midlodemocrat]

125. Not if you're a lying troll. Then, it's par for the course.

[Fearless]

56. I'm sorry you feel that way.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that I would find someone on here in this forum who would TELL me, not even merely suggest, but TELL me that I'm not gay.

The words you utter are HATE plain and simple. I have done nothing to you but disagree with what you believe. I have not tried to change your beliefs and I have not tried to provoke you.

I believe in facts. Find me one sentence, one line, one phrase that I've said that proves that either I am not gay or that I want to see any harm come to the GLBT movement. Otherwise, please leave me alone.

[LostinVA]

58. LOL -- yeah, I'm a hater

A regular Fred Phelps, which incidentally some idiot called me last week.

[Fearless]

60. I couldn't possibly make that judgment call.

I would hope not in any case.

[theHandpuppet]

126. Hmmmm.... I actually read your journal

Frankly, I didn't find one sentence I would have thought merited archiving. Folks normally select posts that reflect their best discussions about issues. Your journal, on the other hand, seems to be nothing more than a collection of one-liners about YOU. No doubt this herculean effort on your part has contributed to your post count and given you something, however lacking that may be, with which to pad your journal. What a silly person you are.

[Maven]

119. Ditto.

I don't believe it either, but then let's just say there's some history here.

[LostinVA]

62. That word is NOT allowed at DU, even if you're "gay"

[Fearless]

63. You're right...

It's a product of the times. I won't mention it further out of respect to the rules and the rules alone.

[LostinVA]

64. Nice edit

:eyes:

[Fran Kubelik]

65. I'm curious

What did it say before it edited it?

[Fearless]

67. Something like ... get me banned if you wish... but I realized that that was against the rules too.

:evilgrin:

[LostinVA]

68. He said if I didn't like him using the word "faggot" I should get him banned

[Fearless]

72. That's not what I said.

[LostinVA]

73. Easy for you to say that now, since you edited your post

[Fearless]

75. You're right, it is.

This is why pencils have erasers.

[Fearless]

74. What matters is that I didn't think what I said was appropriate or said what I felt, so I changed it

I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.

[Fearless]

66. Thank you

:evilgrin:

I won't say it again either, but I'll leave with one rhetorical question. It's a bit of a youth literary reference...(oh boy am I going to show my age here, 21 for the record)... What would you say: He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named or Voldemort?

That's all folks.

[LostinVA]

69. Voldemort and it's not the same thing

Although, I already know you're going to valiantly try that weak argument.

[Fearless]

71. I would disagree, but it doesn't matter, I've reached my pandering quota for the day.

[Fran Kubelik]

79. pandering.

How delightfully rude.

[Fearless]

83. I mean my own pandering: output not input necessarily

[LostinVA]

112. I don't think you know what pandering actually means

[LostinVA]

70. How many edits can somebody fit into the one-hour window?

So you don't care that "Faggot" is offensive to the vast majority of the GLBT forum? You're only going to stop using it here, because of the rules?

[Fran Kubelik]

78. That appears to be the case.

We're all so unreasonable. And old.

[Fearless]

89. Actually I just checked the rules page and it is allowed...

so long as it's not pointed at someone or accusatory.

[LostinVA]

98. Wrong -- it's not allowed on DU

[Fearless]

99. "While specific words are not automatically forbidden..."

All it says for certain is to use tact otherwise it is vauge. Very constitutional.

[LostinVA]

127. I know for a fact that that word is not allowed on DU, and neither is

the "N-word" and "c*nt."

[lightningandsnow]

80. Just a question for you all...

I know a lot of you strongly object to use of the word "faggot", even as a form of self-identification, which is understandable.

Do you object the same way to the use of the word "dyke"? I know a lot of queer (not sure if that term is OK, either?) women, including myself, identify as "dykes". Do you object to this? Why or why not?

Don't want to be flamed here... just an honest question. I swear.

[Fran Kubelik]

81. The question I have back to you is this:

Do you know any gay men who call themselves "faggots"?

A lot of this conversation stems from a feeling that we're being had here by someone who is only pretending to be a part of this community.

[Fearless]

86. If you think that I feel sorry for you.

[dsc]

87. I honestly can't give you an answer

this is better for lesbians to answer.

[Fearless]

88. A person by person basis seems most appropriate...

There are those who find words hurtful and others who don't. It's all about perception I guess.

[LostinVA]

115. Dyke is actually accepted by the lesbian community, unlike "faggot" and the gay community

That being said, I know in the past, both Haruka and lionesspriyanka have had far less controversial posts deleted calling themselves dykes. On occasion, posts using queer in a positive manner have also been deleted. No clue why "faggot" is still up in here. Probably because there are less mods on duty in the topic forums.

[lightningandsnow]

116. That makes sense...

although the whole thing with the moderation is just plain weird.

[LeftyMom]

135. I had a post deleted for jokingly calling myself a breeder.

I certainly wasn't using it toward myself in a derogatory way, and it's not untrue, I came by my interstate highway map of stretch marks honestly. Strangely, I've seen that word and much less mild cousins permitted in the child-free threads with no removal. I guess it's only offensive in the context of sexuality, rather than the context of choosing to become a parent. I'm not sure how that makes any sense, but whatever. I know there's a balancing act between stifling debate by removing or forbidding potentially offensive language and driving people away by permitting language that offends. I'd rather that balance err, for the good of the community, slightly more to the side of non-offfense, because that's the approach that keeps more people feeling comfortable enough to share.

[LostinVA]

136. Yep -- along with MrsGrumpy and Midlo

Hell, I've seen anything rhyming with breeder get deleted, if it's being used in lieu of breeder. Mod warnings got handed out, too.

[xchrom]

90. i see some sick fuckwads ignorant assholes have turned your nice apology into

an energy vampire quest for attention.

you're a good guy trumad -- but this thread should be locked.

[lightningandsnow]

92. uh oh... hope you're not talking about me.

Sorry if I've offended.

[xchrom]

93. i thought i replied to the OP -- i hope i didn't reply

to something you said.

cause no -- not you -- read the thread -- and it will be obvious -- and it's ugly.

[Zuiderelle]

94. I hope you are only referring to the assholes

and not to those of us questioning them. Because it feels like you're talking about all of us, and I take exception to that. If not, then, my apologies for misunderstanding you.

Anyway, peace.

[xchrom]

95. why would you think that? -- the assholes

are obvious -- and no i'm not talking about you or any of the other wonderful people sticking it to the fuckwads.

[Zuiderelle]

97. Thanks

And sorry for being defensive, I think I'm just a little exhausted dealing with this one.

[trumad]

100. I'm pretty stunned by this thread

I truly didn't mean for this one to turn into a flame fest. Maybe I should apologize for this thread as well. ;-)

[Fearless]

101. Please don't, you've meant no harm... see my apology below... the fault is clearly mine.

[xchrom]

102. lol -- i know huh? -- why couldn't

those two start their own threads?

cause they'd get tombed, that's why.

[Fearless]

103. Actually it spread from a thread I started, if it matters.

And talking about posters is not appreciated.

[xchrom]

104. hey -- i appreciate the hell out of it -- you hi-jacked this thread -- you made it

about yourself. you made the stink.


if you want that kind of attention -- then start your own goddamned thread.

but what you've said here is offensive. and the thread should be locked consequently.

[Fearless]

105. It takes two to tango and now we're polluting it together.

[xchrom]

106. you didn't have to respond to me.

but you did -- the stink is on you dude -- for hijacking the thread in the first place.

it remains on you.

but please -- please -- start your own thread expressing the offensive sentiments you've expressed here.

[Fearless]

107. Sticks and stone may break my bones..

but still you want to argue...

Let's drop the stupidity. This argument is pointless. Have your last word and so long as you don't attack me, I won't respond.

[xchrom]

108. you asked to be attacked and now you want people to leave you alone.

you wanted the negative attention -- that's obvious -- and you want to set all the rules.

what a sad motherfuckin response.

[Fearless]

110. I asked to be attacked? Who asks to be attacked?

That's like telling a battered woman she was asking for it. Get over yourself. You're too much. I'm going to let this thread pass out of sight and mind. Goodnight sir, have your final word, whatever it may be.

[xchrom]

114. you don' hi=jack threads and then post hateful comments, stalk duers from

other threads -- and piss and moan -- ''i didn't ask to be attacked -- poor me''.



:nopity:

[LostinVA]

113. I love when he claims it's within the DU rules to say

faggot.

Absolutely sickening. This guy isn't fooling anyone.

[xchrom]

117. fuckin horrifying.

let him start a thread with that as the subject.

[mitchtv]

109. Thanks Trumad

you're a good guy and an apology is a manly thing to do. You have no problems here

[lightningandsnow]

91. By the way... thanks for the apology.

It's appreciated.

[Fearless]

96. I think that I should apologize to you as well...

A couple of issues that I've had with others spilled over onto your thread. For that I am sorry. I find it admirable that someone will actually take responsibility for their actions anymore. Kudos to you.

:patriot:

[Smarmie Doofus]

118. I didn't really understand the OP but the moderator's irony....

>>"Faggot" is a homophobic slur that is not acceptable in any circumstances, even if it's in quotes.>>>

in locking the thread is *exquizeeeet*: spelling out the "F word" , safely and carefully enveloped in quotation marks, while explaining that the "F word" may "never" be used on DU... "even if it's in quotes".

She's kidding, I hope.

Anyway, consider yourself forgiven; much ado about not much, if you ask me. Go forth and sin no more.

[plantwomyn]

130. My immediate thought exactly!

And count the number of times posted spell out the word and them proclaim it has no place on DU. It's telling that NOWHERE does anyone spell out the N word. Why spell one and format the other? It makes me think that one truly is verboten and the other is not.
And not by the moderators but by US.

[Smarmie Doofus]

138. There's a quote from a Gore Vidal novel that's rolling around...

... in my head. Something about "the mad haggling of the bishops" of the early RC church ( must be from "Julian").

They'd argue ( and fight literally to the death) over the most arcane and obscure points of theology ( e.g. how many angels can dance on the head of a pin; if you say 10,000 you are saved; 10,001... and you are a heretic condemned to hellfire for eternity.).

The language police are setting up rules of political dialog so elaborate that they can't keep from entangling themselves.

Perhaps it's time to take step back and contemplate where we are going with all this.

[Midlodemocrat]

123. Trumad, if I may.

Repeatedly using terms that insult the GLBT community and then apologizing doesn't cut it. Stop doing it. If you stop doing it, the GLBT community will know you are sincere.

JMHO.

[trumad]

131. Repeatedly?

I don't think I've used the term "repeatedly". Matter of fact, I haven't ever used the word until yesterday and I only used it as a point to my thread. It was wrong and I'm sorry.... but to insinuate that I have a habit of doing this is just plain untrue.

[queerart]

132. I Know I Will Get My Head Thumped......

But I have known Trumad since I have been on DU.......


Do he & I have coffee and scones on Sundays?.... no, I don't know him that well.....


But we have been friendly in the "Lounge" since forever......


He said something "Boneheaded"..... which he said he was sorry for..... (apologizing is something many others don't do).....


... and he came here on "our turf" to face up to his mistake....... (and I am proud of him for taking that stand, as he knew that he'd be BBQ'd)


I think he is an all right fellow.... that said something he really shouldn't have........


I think we all have these periods in our lives where we get spanked for our words, and or deeds....... and today it's his turn......


Will he need to earn back the trust of others? Of Course without a doubt.......


So in the mean time..... he'll lick his wounds..... think much harder before he hits that "post message button" in the future.... and he will continue to be a friend of the GLBT community as he always has been in the past.........

[trumad]

133. God Damn QA--- how ya been dude....

The man who taught me how to build a web site. It's good to hear from you man----and thanks for the words up above.

[queerart]

134. You Are A Cutie......

This Will All Pass My Friend.....


You're Alright In My Book........


:pals:

[plantwomyn]

137. K&R

You're reply.
It took courage and he's taken his licks.
He's asked for another chance and apologized.
Accept his apology and give him a chance to pay it forward.

[Gala328]

140. Forgiven

I do not know Trumad and am uncertain as to his contexts in the past but I would like to think his apology is sincere. We must forgive if we are to heal.

[CatWoman]

128. Well

"I" love you. Regardless.

:loveya:

:hi:

[galledgoblin]

139. just an interesting article on the word and it's use in modern comedy

http://planetout.com/content/slideshow/?coll=6636&&navpath=/channels/entertainment/

I don't listen to Stern, and I also don't have much to add to the commentary, I just thought I'd share.