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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:34 AM Original message |
My take on this whole "alternative medicine" deal |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. . |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Could you pass that popcorn bag over here, please? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It's homeopathic popcorn |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Cool! Just wave your hand over it, then and I'll |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Wait... We're still talking about popcorn, right? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Yah. The molecules given off the popcorn into the air |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
105. so I guess acupuncture is off your list. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. If you mean the treatment that allegedly alters the body's chi flow, then it certainly is |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Me too -- gimmee! |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
81. Step right up--there's plenty for all! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. Nature is not just physical. Failure to address emotional and psychological aspects of illness |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. there is nothing beyond the physical |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Good, you tell your girlfriend the only reason you have sex with her is to pass on your DNA |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. actually with that line of thinking he can have sex with anyone |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well, if you're a guy, you can't pass your DNA to another guy and continue your lineage. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. true... |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. And you're 100% sure of this how? |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
101. Matter and energy are interrelated by relativity. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I agree - and to answer the question below, its not to pass on DNA |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. So Darwin's Finches were all about "that all-powerful brain chemical cocktail"? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:21 AM Original message |
Are you suggesting there's something else to it? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
49. Yes |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
88. You don't think animals other than humans have orgasms? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Best line of the day so far "You don't think finches enjoy orgasms?" |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
96. human beings have evolved an elaborate system for passing on our dna. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
67. True, as far as I can tell |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. There is an observer .. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. That's something for the R&T forum |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. It's really quite evident. No faith required. nt |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I'm not so sure |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I dunno about |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I can't give you a fully-formed epistemological treatise about it, but here's a summary |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I don't know what |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
72. ah...you must be a chemist |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. That's odd, since my family practice doctor always asks about |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Mine does. My mental state isn't her primary concern by her job definition |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
90. Thank the FSM for nurses as they do a lot of that. Follow up for docs, and taking time |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Maybe he just does that with YOU.... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Yah, probably. I'm really special and shit... |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. more like |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Let's take leprosy, for example |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Do you find that Hansen's Disease is a big problem |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. There's still a lot of people in India, South America, etc. who have this problem |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well said. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. And the Scientific Method has proven there are emotional/psychological components to wellness |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The scientific method has also demonstrated that therapeutic touch is nonsense, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. REALLY? You mean petting cats and dogs doesn't help people's blood pressure etc? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Sure it does. And if it had anything to do with therapeutic touch, I'd know why you mentioned it. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I'm sure you'll now enlighten us with your definition of theraputic touch please? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. I'm all for "pet therapy" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. So, you're all for pet therapy, put PEOPLE whose goal is healing touch are woo-woos? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Pets provide love and companionship, not tweaking of "die Lebenskraft" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
91. Are you seriously saying Therapeutic Touch is the same as petting a dog? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Maybe an invisible dog |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #99 |
125. Like this one? |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
85. A disabled man in a wheelchair .. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Then I guess my friend got robbed when she had to pay for those science courses |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. If she paid to become qualified for any sort of "energy healing," then she was robbed, yes. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'll pass that along to her Professor. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Please do. And ask the professor to present data on the efficacy of therapeutic touch as advertised |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. this is one of the roots of woo tactics |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I don't recall saying anything about magical force fields. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I disagree. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Deleted message |
HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:58 AM Original message |
Hey, no need to get personal. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
69. . |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. For instance, here's "therapeutic touch" as opposed to massage, pet stroking,... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Dang! I didn't even know I had a "putative" energy field. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Sure its not 'punative'? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. No, that's my wife's job, and she's definitely not a "putative" |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. If she did have an invisible hand, would that mean you're married to Adam Smith? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. A professor of massage? |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Actually I was calling Orrex "Professor", but he misunderstood my snark. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. Perhaps a comma would have your snark more effective |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You are correct sir. I plead guilty to bad typing in the first. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
92. We were required to take a 2 day course on TT or Reiki. I really didn't want to have to pay |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
74. perhaps you could cite some sources |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Emily Rosa offered a thoroughly damning refutation |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I have yet to meet a doctor |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Wow, diet and excercise. First, let's look at the sad excuse of a food pyramid doctors foisted |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. How interesting. You must not have found a good |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. You're aware that "allopathic" is an artificial term coined by a homeopath, right? |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. thefreedictionary.com is your friend |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. So is wiki: |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Well obviously a person's mental health is important. |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. good post! n/t |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. there is history and there is science and then there is |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. Well said K+R |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
13. confusion |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. If not interested in preventing disease |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. You never met anyone in the biz for money? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. As opposed to homeopaths, who charge nothing? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Boy, you have some nerve to suggest that homeopathetic practitioners |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. at this point in time --- |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. I'll have you know that that was the sweetest $5.42 that I ever earned |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. whatever---------- |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'm sure he didn't, but that's how it goes |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. fo shizzle |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
46. Easy, there....it isn't "the scientist" who's the money-grubber, it's the corporate entities |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
117. not interested in prevention? i guess i am just |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. A lot of alternative medicine is based on the notion that the human immune system |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Non-traditional medicine is, in large part, |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
111. many chronic illnesses wax and wane. this makes them prime candidates |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. I dont want to offend you but homeopathic remedies are literally nothing. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. I know for a fact that homeopathy works. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. works for me too |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. I am always amused at who writes "woo" the most. Typically it is pre-emptive attacks on scientific |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Glad you are amused. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
56. Funny, that's not what they taught STBX in med school. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
103. I'm calling BS. What citations do you have that demonstrate the efficacy of acupuncture? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
63. "all believe that an underlying energy force governs health and vitality" |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. I think you're reading too much into the OP |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
93. my Naturopath agreed with my oncologist about Tamoxifen |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. "Complimentary medicine" that can actually be shown to work is called "medicine." |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Exactly -- I go to a DO, not an MD |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. If you don't start disagreeing with me once in a while, people will think we're the same person |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
119. my breast specialist is a DO |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. I'm so sorry about your sister |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. i love reiki |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. no, I'm not! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
118. my point is this: if i had not seen a naturopath |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. While I'm delighted that you were able to correct a deficiency, it's hardly conclusive |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. my level when last checked was 11 which is a deficiency |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
102. In the words of the great Richard Dawkins: |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Dawkins totally stole that from what I wrote in reply #98 |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. sure did. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
106. i can't remember the last time i had so much fun reading a thread. nt |
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