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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:49 AM
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The "science" of Cosmology - Big Brain Theory: Have Cosmologists Lost Theirs?
It could be the weirdest and most embarrassing prediction in the history of cosmology, if not science. If true, it would mean that you yourself reading this article are more likely to be some momentary fluctuation in a field of matter and energy out in space than a person with a real past born through billions of years of evolution in an orderly star-spangled cosmos. Your memories and the world you think you see around you are illusions.

This bizarre picture is the outcome of a recent series of calculations that take some of the bedrock theories and discoveries of modern cosmology to the limit. Nobody in the field believes that this is the way things really work, however. And so there in the last couple of years there has been a growing stream of debate and dueling papers, replete with references to such esoteric subjects as reincarnation, multiple universes and even the death of spacetime, as cosmologists try to square the predictions of their cherished theories with their convictions that we and the universe are real. The basic problem is that across the eons of time, the standard theories suggest, the universe can recur over and over again in an endless cycle of big bangs, but it’s hard for nature to make a whole universe. It’s much easier to make fragments of one, like planets, yourself maybe in a spacesuit or even — in the most absurd and troubling example — a naked brain floating in space. Nature tends to do what is easiest, from the standpoint of energy and probability. And so these fragments — in particular the brains — would appear far more frequently than real full-fledged universes, or than us. Or they might be us.

Alan Guth, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who agrees this overabundance is absurd, pointed out that some calculations result in an infinite number of free-floating brains for every normal brain, making it “infinitely unlikely for us to be normal brains.” Welcome to what physicists call the Boltzmann brain problem, named after the 19th-century Austrian physicist Ludwig Boltzmann, who suggested the mechanism by which such fluctuations could happen in a gas or in the universe. Cosmologists also refer to them as “freaky observers,” in contrast to regular or “ordered” observers of the cosmos like ourselves. Cosmologists are desperate to eliminate these freaks from their theories, but so far they can’t even agree on how or even on whether they are making any progress.

If you are inclined to skepticism this debate might seem like further evidence that cosmologists, who gave us dark matter, dark energy and speak with apparent aplomb about gazillions of parallel universes, have finally lost their minds. But the cosmologists say the brain problem serves as a valuable reality check as they contemplate the far, far future and zillions of bubble universes popping off from one another in an ever-increasing rush through eternity. What, for example is a “typical” observer in such a setup? If some atoms in another universe stick together briefly to look, talk and think exactly like you, is it really you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?em&ex=1200546000&en=3d0d451cc8672382&ei=5087%0A
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:57 AM
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1. here is an award winning book
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:59 AM
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2. The Population of the universe is zero
It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

--The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:17 AM
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4. Heh, I was going to post this
My second theory is that the universe came into being three minutes ago, including our memories of time before then.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:19 AM
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5. I don't follow your logic.
1. there are an infinite number of worlds (I'm equating world with planet, but even if we accept world as universe, the argument is almost the same)- let's accept that as an assumption.
2. not every one of them is inhabited - let's accept that and say we know that there are planets in our solar system that are not inhabited, therefore this is an empirical fact.

However, how does the conclusion: Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds follow from the premises.

How do we know that there are any uninhabited worlds outside of out solar system? If there aren't, then, there are an infinite number of inhabited worlds. Or, suppose that only 1 out of 1,000 worlds are inhabited? We still have an infinite number of inhabited worlds - note, in this case, we also have an infinite number of uninhabited worlds (just like there are an infinite number of odd integers and an infinite number of even integers).
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:28 AM
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7. It's a quote from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
It's supposed to be absurd.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:00 AM
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3. So the "Eternal Return of the Same" is extinct? May I suggest one caveat . . .
I have found it helpful to regard the definitions of things in Physics as being based upon their functions. Thus, physicists aren't talking about brains, like those within our skulls, floating in the cosmos, but entities that function the same way the things we call brains (found inside what we call skulls) function (the human instance of which would be a subset of a higher order functional category).

Very provocative article. Thank you very much!
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:29 AM
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8. Question
Does this have anything to do with socks disappearing?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:57 AM
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10. Right!! . . . and dustpans!
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 09:58 AM by patrice
I can personally document 3 metal dustpans that went with the socks.

How much worse do you think this is going to get? ;)

P.S. Have you ever read Tom Robbins "Skinny Legs and All"? . . . it's along this theme.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:01 AM
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12. Not too worry - these "lost" objects are being enjoyed in a parallel universe! n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:01 AM by groovedaddy
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:43 PM
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15. Or they've gone on a long and very interesting road trip, according to Tom Robbins. nt
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mqbush Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:23 AM
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6. "What is dreamt of in your philosophy"
"It’s hard for nature to make a whole universe."
"Nature tends to do what is easiest, from the standpoint of energy and probability."
Without argument or support for these assertions, the rest can't follow. Presumably the original authors presented support, but then I've seen too many papers based on unsupported assertions to be confident of that. Unless/until I see support, this item is white noise.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:55 AM
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9. Are we God's dream?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:00 AM
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11. Unsupported assertions are inevitable.
Not necessarily acceptable, but unavoidable nonetheless.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:12 AM
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13. Bumper sticker: I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe! n/t
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:19 AM
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14. So that's what I smell.
:dem:
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