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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 12:45 PM
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Ancient Robots
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 12:59 PM by seemslikeadream
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 12:49 PM
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1. You do realize that the word robot is derived from rabota
Polish and Russian word which means slave?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:14 PM
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4. The three laws of robotics also set up a slave master relationship.
Not a good idea in any social interaction.

Some could see it as a class issue, if Robots metaphorically represented the worker class. Although reading the I-Robot series, Asimov seemed to give a level of respect to robots beyond the implications of the three laws.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 06:56 PM
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9. this has all happened before
vbg :D
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:36 AM
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11. ...and it will all happen again
:D
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:19 PM
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5. And as with many etymological references
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 01:37 PM by demwing
the path from root to current usage was long and laborious. Why? What's your point?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:56 PM
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7. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 02:10 PM by MineralMan
Rabota (Работа ) is a noun, meaning "work" in Russian. It doesn't mean slave at all in that language.

The word for "slave" is невольник (nevol'nik) ,which means, literally, "one without will".

Sorry for your misunderstanding.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 08:11 AM
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10. The derivation is Czech, and 'serf labour' seems the closest English
equivalent.

http://capek.misto.cz/english/robot.html

CZech wikipedia entry on 'robota': http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robota

Robotic translation (heh):

"Robot is a word of Slavic origin (robot verb = "work") and refers to the system of personal service feudálním farmers and peasants for their masters.

Robotnik is an expression for poddaného robotujícího for his master, sometimes a higher administrative or judicial officer, beadle, etc.

Robot is a service for farmers and peasants owners. This includes a very wide range of different activities for the exact number of days per year. Usually, farmers provide the robot hand or robot with skin. Manual labor, for example, consisted in the fact that farmers had to weed the fields of their lords weeds ( "bejlí). When working with skin again robotníci had plowed field. The term robot to the skin applies to zapřažení ox or other animal before the plows.

Regardless of the living robot farmers were also often required in the sowing or operational, and thus represented a major problem for the subjects peasants, who are already in the time needed to take a lot of work on their own fields."

After the emergence of money economy, to farmers instead of robots gradually pay money.

After the Thirty Years' War strongly increased the volume of robots and the balancing farmers more and more, so the system still worked less estate. After the abolition of serfdom in the 18th and 19 century the system was gradually removed."
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 12:51 PM
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2. I think posting this caused their servers to be overloaded. Not responding. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 12:57 PM
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3. The links were broke I fixed them, working now
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:32 PM
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6. Still not working.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 02:52 PM
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8. sorry I'm not sure what the problem is, IT IS WORKING NOW
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 03:00 PM by seemslikeadream
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:15 PM
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12. I don't really have time right now to watch the videos
Could you write up a short synopsis of what they are about?
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 12:41 AM
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14. Still the same message: "Page Load Error"
"The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply."

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 06:30 PM
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13. Don't waste my time.
Tell me what the videos are so I can decide whether or not they're worth watching.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:01 AM
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15. from the History Channel and working links
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 03:06 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/HD_full_details/Technology/programme_23.php

In this scintillating programme, we delve into the mysteries of ancient robots. The ancient world is littered with more references to automatic robotic machines than you might think.



The mythical golden robot built by Hephaistos was fabled to roam the island of Crete three times a day, protecting its wealth. Its name was Talos, and it was famously depicted in the 1960s film ‘Jason and the Argonauts’. The gods were also supposed to have been surrounded by self moving ‘tripods’, doors which opened with acoustical signals and anthropomorphic robots.



We ask if there is any truth in the amazing and sensational idea that the ancients had robotic devices. We examine the robotic inventions found in the texts of Homer, and compare them with machines known in the ancient world.



In antiquity, Heron and Philon were the undisputed champions of robotic invention. We look at three of Philon’s most important automata inventions: the drinking horse machine, the automatic mechanism for supplying water and the automatic serving girl. Philon was working in the third century BC. We ask how he was able to create such marvels over 2000 years ago.



We also look at automatic devices masterminded by Heron of Alexandria, such as robotic temple doors and the self-automated theatre. We also scrutinise the Hydraulis, an automatic water organ which was the favoured musical instrument of Emperor Nero. In an amazing discovery in Dion at the foot of Mount Olympia in Greece, the remains of a Hydraulis were found in 1992.



Recently, a reconstruction was made of the instrument. It provided music for theatres, festivals and even amphitheatres. Yet the Hydraulis needed somebody to pump a bellows in order to provide an air supply. An automatic air supply was added to the machine in the shape of a small wind mill. A fully automated instrument had been created centuries before its time.



For the first time in television history, we attempt to reconstruct the robotic machines of the ceremonial halls of the Byzantine Emperor of 830 AD. A variety of mechanisms were created in order to entertain visiting ambassadors and guests. There are stories of a gold pear tree with singing birds, two lions which roared while twisting their heads, griffins spreading their wings, and several wild animals that surrounded the throne roaring.



It is thought these mechanical objects were commissioned by Emperor Theophiles from an unknown goldsmith. These craftsmen worked in the tradition of Heron of Alexandria, carefully crafting a mechanical scene which also contained singing and drinking birds. When the birds drank from a fountain, an owl turned its head towards the birds. There is still conjecture concerning whether these mechanisms operated by hydraulic power, water pressure or steam.



Although no robotic human forms are thought to have been created, the ancient world did have self moving mechanical devices. We attempt to reconstruct some of these awe inspiring machines, decisively proving that the ancient engineers and inventors knew how to harness robotic technology 2000 years ago.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:07 AM
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17. I wouldn't think of wasting your time
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:05 AM
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16. Hopefully this link will work
Hopefully this link will work and the other parts can be
accessed from there
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/21603/Ancient_Robots_1_5/
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