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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:55 PM
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Evidence Points To Conscious 'Metacognition' In Some Nonhuman Animals
ScienceDaily (Sep. 15, 2009) — J. David Smith, Ph.D., a comparative psychologist at the University at Buffalo who has conducted extensive studies in animal cognition, says there is growing evidence that animals share functional parallels with human conscious metacognition -- that is, they may share humans' ability to reflect upon, monitor or regulate their states of mind.


Smith makes this conclusion in an article published the September issue of the journal Trends in Cognitive Science (Volume 13, Issue 9). He reviews this new and rapidly developing area of comparative inquiry, describing its milestones and its prospects for continued progress.

He says "comparative psychologists have studied the question of whether or not non-human animals have knowledge of their own cognitive states by testing a dolphin, pigeons, rats, monkeys and apes using perception, memory and food-concealment paradigms.

"The field offers growing evidence that some animals have functional parallels to humans' consciousness and to humans' cognitive self-awareness," he says. Among these species are dolphins and macaque monkeys (an Old World monkey species).

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090914172644.htm

Comment- Of course they do, anyone who has pets and watches them closely knows this....although proof is good to have.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:58 PM
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1. If animals can think...
What do we need souls for?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:05 PM
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2. Are you saying animals have no souls?
Not to mention that animals have long been known to think, figure out strategies, deal with situations that arise. This is an entirely different level of self-awareness that is being discussed.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:13 PM
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3. I know animals have soles, excepting snakes and fishes.
But I know of no doctrine that says animals have souls, though there is an unsubstantiated claim that humans do. But if there is such a thing, then why not animals. And if animals have one, why not bacteria.

What is really cool is the aspects of animal communication, that self awareness and cognition may be a side affect of having a brain of a certain complexity. If all it requires is that complexity, then what use is the soul.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:26 PM
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4. How does one know there are any souls,
Edited on Tue Sep-15-09 01:27 PM by eShirl
or what has a soul and what doesn't? What is/would be the function of a soul?

edit: Maybe I should look for a DU Philosophy forum...


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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:32 PM
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5. fish may not have soles but some fish ARE soles...
ponder that one!

I'm just going to sit here and flounder.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:59 PM
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6. These are deep waters to plumb...


:rofl:
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 03:49 PM
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7. I think I will skate around that one
...when you're on a midnight dive and you feel something grab your thigh....that's a Moray...
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 05:06 PM
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8. I swear to cod ....
these puns are going to make me tuna you out.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 05:14 PM
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9. It was just a Fluke! n/t
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miyazaki Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 05:53 PM
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10. time to erect a barracuda here.
pfff, i tried.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 05:57 PM
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11. don't get puffery
That was a good pun, although I betta you could do batter....
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 08:55 PM
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12. I'm gonna clam up. n/t
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miyazaki Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:06 PM
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13. this thread has become really shad. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:54 AM
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15. It has jumped the shark. nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:21 AM
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16. If people had no souls than what would McCain eat? n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:52 AM
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14. Duh. No surprise there.
Only human arrogance has allowed us to separate homo sapiens sapiens so completely from the developmental capacities of other animal species. In fact, based on the arrogance my cats display, we are even closer than they are saying.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:22 AM
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17. No kidding. One of my puppehs behaves just like a 3 yr old child. "Words" n all
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