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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:36 PM
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Ugh. Another one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2560558#2560601

The canine teeth argument is one of the most pathetic. They've never looked at the mouths of true carnivores and-more importantly- omnivores (bear and raccoons, for example). Our canine teeth are residual, like our tail bones!
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:25 PM
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1. Well I am throwing in my 2 cents.
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 06:32 PM by smbolisnch
I can't ignore these idiotic posts, even if I should. :eyes:

Edited for spelling, or uh, brainfart.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:52 PM
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2. Umm...
They are probably coming down here and seeing these threads and smiling because they know they are bothering some people. Why give them the satisfaction of letting them know they are bothering you?

Personally, I think it's silly and childish, but whatever floats their boat, who cares? I don't need their approval of my eating habits.

Ignore them and they'll go away if they don't get the rise they are looking for, just like any typical bully. And, if you feel you have to get others to respond, use the PM feature. It's much more discreet.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:12 PM
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3. I don't mind if they know they are bothering me.
Because it DOES bother me. It is just rude and insensitive. Maybe they will realize that some people really are offended by their posts and not make another one.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:44 PM
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4. It does seem like they
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 07:46 PM by Piperay
are coming here and then trying to irritate us because there is such a noticeable increase in that ridiculous crap since we got our own group. :argh:
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:50 PM
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5. True.
Well, this is OUR group. I would never go in the lounge and post a thread and say that meat eaters are hateful, murderous heathens. If I did, it would promptly be flamed and then deleted or locked. This is our group, we should all feel comfortable commiserating here. :shrug:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:58 PM
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6. Peace.
I'm just sayin'.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 08:22 PM
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7. I hear ya.
It just sucks so bad that as veggies we are constantly targeted by so called progressives.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 08:52 PM
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8. Yeah
I wish they couldn't see what we post in here. :-(
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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 06:10 AM
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13. While I agree with the idea...
I do not agree about feeling comfortable here. I've learned the hard way to refrain from posting my thoughts/feelings about some things around here at DU. :(
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:46 PM
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14. Yep. I know exactly what you mean. nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:49 PM
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9. They will continue to stick their heads in the sand.
More important than teeth, the human intestinal tract is not designed for digesting meat.

http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/articles/Vegetarianism.html

snip...

Human teeth like those of the herbivorous creatures are designed for grinding and chewing plant food. Humans lack the sharp front teeth for tearing flesh, that are characteristic of carnivores. Meat eating animals generally swallow their food without chewing it and therefore do not require molars or a jaw capable of moving sideways.

Once within the stomach meat requires digestive juices high in hydrochloric acid. The stomachs of humans and herbivores produces acid less than one twentieth the strength of that found un carnivores. Another crucial difference between the meat eater and the vegetarian is found in the intestinal tract, where the food is further digested and nutrients are passed into the blood. A piece of meat is just part of a corpse, and its putrefaction creates poisonous wastes within the body, therefore meat must be quickly eliminated. For this purpose, carnivores posses alimentary canals only three times the length of their bodies. Since man like other non flesh eating animals has an alimentary canal twelve times his body length, rapidly decaying flesh is retained for a much longer time, producing a number of undesirable toxic effects. One body organ adversely affected by these toxins is the kidney. This vital organ, extracts waste from the blood, and is greatly strained by the overload of poisons introduced by the meat consumption, and as one grows older this vital organ will not be able to cope with this stress, and the risk of kidney disease and failure increases.

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another interesting point:

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

snip...

The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh.

If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one’s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form.

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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 11:38 PM
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10. People continuing to post flame bait like this really amaze me...
with their stupidity.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:39 AM
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11. Promise me one thing...
Remember your roots.

We all started somewhere. Yes, flamebait. Yes, insulting. Educate, don't berate.

You're all doing an awesome job of bringing these matters to the front lines. Raising awareness...PETA should scout this group.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:29 AM
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12. You are so right.
Sometimes, you just get emotional and post a nasty remark! You are good at NOT doing that! :)
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:57 PM
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15. Personally, I wonder why the mods tolerate this sort of thing.
I've alerted on this kind of crap numerous times, yet it stays. :shrug:
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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:27 AM
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24. Because in some cases...
The mods actually agree with the folks doing the veggie bashing... they aren't exactly all impartial. Is it fair? No. Is it typical? *sigh* Yes.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:58 AM
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25. I did get the mods to
delete one where the guy got personally insulting with me. If they hadn't removed it I was going to complain to Skinner cause I don't think we should have to put up with that kind of abuse. :-(
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:28 PM
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16. You know...
I think I am kinda liking this vegan forum! All of you seem so nice and I have never seen you guys being mean or nasty to others.

I cannot believe that people post shit just to agitate. That really sucks. I may hang around if you guys don't mind, who knows, you may change the mind of a meat eater!
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:53 PM
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17. Oooooo Please stay!
We won't bite, I promise! Besides, we don't have the right teeth for that ;) :pals:

Stick around!
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:30 PM
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18. Really?
That's very cool. I really respect you guys, as vegans. To have so much love for animals is really awesome!

I am so confused as to why people try to argue with this group....why? You have made a commitment and I think it's great. I would like to learn more about it, if you all don't mind.

I think this group is the nicest I have come across. What's wrong with these people?

Thanks for the invite smbolisnch!
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:54 PM
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19. Yes really!
:hug:
We have no idea why people antagonize us just because we have compassion for animals. All I can hope is that maybe some of the threads are enough to get through to even one person, and then another animal will be spared. Very few people are born as veggies! :D
Stick around!!
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:37 PM
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22. I cannot imagine why people are so
crappy! You guys are really the epitome of progressivness. You are really sweet to extend your welcome to me. Thank you so much!

People from Texas are not all that bad.... there are some decent ones! :)

I would like to find out more about the vegan lifestyle, ifyou don't mind. I think you guys are all awesome!
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:10 PM
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20. Please, stay!
You're more than welcome, as are all that are just looking for an alternative.

One thing to note: I have been known to get mean or nasty, but usually only on the flamebait threads. Otherwise, I don't bite, that is unless you want me to. :D The rest of the posters here are so much more well-behaved than myself.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:35 PM
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21. Awwwww!!
I can't see any of you being nasty or angry. I see you guys as lovers, not fighters! I have a really deep affection for all animals, so this may be the place I need to be!

I really respect your lifestyle choices, I am looking to be heathler myself, and I love animals of all kinds. Maybe this is my calling.

I have lurked here, but was afraid to post, I have no idea why, you all seem like peace loving human beings to me.

If you don't mind, I would like to learn more about the vegan lifestyle, if that's cool.

Thank you so much for being so sweet and helpful with me. You guys are awesome!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:29 PM
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23. Also wish you'd stay.
It is a nice refuge from some of the craziness elsewhere.

Besides, it'll be much easier to brainwash you with our holier-than-thou attitudes and endless rhetoric if you're here, rather than...out there.
<snort> I kill me.
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