Reincarnation

[Fire Walk With Me]

I'm reading "Journey of Souls" per conversation in this forum, and although it is what I'd expected, it holds some nice, helpful perspective (my being dual diagnosis and truly in need of releasing the traumas causing it).

I do note that even early in the book, that "subjects" are highly reticent to discuss what happens to souls clinging to negativity and negative action over a period of several lifetimes. It says that souls can be readjusted, not by destruction, but by remodeling. -Page 51.

Jewish mysticism states, at least part of it I've seen in quotation, that lives engaged in great negativity reincarnate lower and lower in the scale of creation, down to the last level, as clouds of bacterium, causing illness in others. Said "remodeling" means the erasure of what has been learned and a complete reboot. Energy not being "destroyed", but changed.

[BanzaiBonnie]

1. From what I understand

nothing is destroyed... only changed.

And I'm glad you're finding helpful information in the book. I sure got a lot out of it.

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. I have difficulty with some of it so far.

I know for a fact that lower realms and lower beings exist, and that certain levels of negative karma (energy) results in time spent in such lower realms, burning it off...which my mystery school teacher said to be at the rate of perceived time, of the mineral kingdom. Seemingly forever, relatively.

[Gin]

3. my thoughts on reincarnation have changed over time from what they

were originally...and if the belief in it makes a person understand self better...then it is valuable..

[Xicano]

4. I believe the physical world's purpose is to develop our consciousness.

I believe every speck of vibrating strand of subatomic energy has consciousness of some sort. Therefore since all matter is nothing more than highly condensed energy, all matter has consciousness. Maybe not like the way we're familiar with consciousness, but, consciousness nonetheless. Its interesting to note that in native american culture the belief is that everything in its own way has spirit and why everything should be treated with respect.

I believe that in order to be able to exist in the non physical dimensions of our universe as a condensed state of consciousness we must first develop in a way I am not entirely sure of the details. So to me the physical world is a sort of placenta necessary to develop our condensed state of consciousness and this may take several physical body life times to accomplish.

I find it interesting to try and imagine exactly where does our consciousness reside in our bodies. What I mean is, since we are constantly losing and replacing atoms in our physical bodies, how can it be that our consciousness is as a result of any of our body parts? All the atoms in your body parts are not the same atoms from years ago, they have all been replaced by other atoms. So I think the physical body is a tool for our consciousness to develop and when its developed enough to maintain itself in the non physical dimensions it will no longer require a physical body, where, the physical body is required so that it can exist in the more stable environment for it, which is this heavy physical universe we as humans live in.

[SheilaT]

5. After you finish "Journey of Soutls"

read "Destiny of Souls".

I have read both books several times each, and just last night completed "Destiny" once again. I think it's the second one which suggests that souls which do a great deal of damage here on earth, are simply not ever allowed back. Apparently this planet is EXTREMELY challenging, and some souls cannot cope with conditions here.

I also got the impression that some of the worse has their energy completely reformed, so to speak.

Personally, I'm not so sure that we ever go down to "lower" life forms. Michael Newton says he has never, in the many thousands of people he's regressed, had one who has gone back to life as a lower animal. For what that is worth.

[crikkett]

8. wrt 'going down' to 'lower' life forms

I've read many accounts of people claiming to remember past lifetimes on other planets, and many accounts of people who claim that humans are incarnations of 'higher' life forms.

So along those lines, I wonder what Michael Newton would find out if ever had the ability to regress a 'lower animal'.

What I know is that ...I don't know. But I have enjoyed spending a the last few minutes imagining a couple of real 'winners' in my own life being reduced to bugs and germs.

In fact I think that's an ancient Norse curse: "You are nothing but a fly that I will swat."

[MorningGlow]

6. Different viewpoints on reincarnation

Hey FWWM! :hi:

Just wanted to toss out there that there are vastly differing views on reincarnation. One belief is that souls are "punished" by being "demoted" to a lower life form, as you've read.

But another belief is that because all life forms are valued, there is no hierarchy of one life form being more important or better than another; hence, no life form is "lower" than another.

In addition, some belief systems say, there is no "punishment"/karma--that karma is a human construct to make sense of good being rewarded and bad being punished. Instead, all souls are good/pure light, as they are part of the One (God, whatever you want to call the Great Is).

Some lifetimes are spent being good, some being bad, in order to learn and grow. The only danger is when the soul gets too caught up in the illusion of life on Earth and start enjoying being bad. But once the soul returns to the Light, they remember the truth (that the soul, and all others, are good and pure), and they likely choose to return to a mortal life to make up for their bad activities in the former life.

Hope that makes sense! :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. "Journey of Souls" is losing me bigtime as I read further.

No mention so far of the fact, the simple fact, that due to FREE WILL, souls are allowed to choose and stay upon negative paths, and that there are astral realms relating to various levels of negative density. One of which is the hungry ghost realm, which is most easily found in, IIRC, Buddhist texts, where those who'd only sought the material go until they can...whatever is required to leave such realms. It's entirely our choice.

And how when enough negativity is made to happen, that the resulting occlusion to the soul prevents contact with one's Guides...etc.

If I encounter such things in the book, I'll keep going, but so far, it's a highly incomplete picture of things.

[SheilaT]

9. It seems to me that in both

Destiny and Journey of Souls, our free will to choose what we do is emphasized. Over and over again those he regressed say that their guides never force them to choose a particular body or life, even when they make poor choices both before incarnating and while here. Newton gets some information about souls who do so poorly here that they are in a kind of seclusion for a very long time, and perhaps undergo some kind of reformation of their energy. Again, there's not a lot about that because of who he is regressing and the kind of information he is seeking and therefore uncovers.

You are right that he talks very little about other realms, possibly because those he regresses either have had no contact with other realms, or they simply do not come up, given the nature of the kind of life between life regression he does. There are occasional references to lives lived on planets other than earth.

At least some past life regressionists I've talked to have had clients who have remembered lives on this planet as non humans, as well as ones who've remembered lives elsewhere. One man I know says he started out a very, very long way from here, on some other planet apparently in some other galaxy. He's also had many lives here on earth.

[get the red out]

11. It just occurred to me....

that it is possible that the type of souls you mention, those who would choose negative paths, might not be inclined to seek out past life regression or any therapy at all in this world since learning more about one's essence and flaws is something people on paths seeking more spiritual growth are inclined to do?

I definitely believe in Reincarnation, but don't have a firm belief concerning the particulars (I loved Journey of Souls!). I just thought I would throw that random thought out there, that the types of people studied for these books might be somewhat self-selective.

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. That's a very interesting concept. I have no idea if it may be true.

However, considering the number of staunchly negative types I've encountered in this life, there -has- to be some set of laws regarding negative progression as an incarnational choice.

I've heard from some of my teachers that most of us go through dark lives on purpose in our path, to learn that and then, its opposite and debt aspects. This makes sense..to me at least. I'm still working on a "synthesis" of this sort of information.

Some have also said that the truly 3rd and lower dimensional humans will be moving off to another 3D planet as the Shift continues. This is seemingly referred to in JOS as well, although not in those words.

:hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. I've finished the book and have to say

I really don't care much for his attempt at describing God. It is almost as if he wished to purposely present criticism for something he has little capacity to understand.

The AA big book says that God is concerned with us when we want God enough. This is the free will aspect of life on Earth. My mystery school teacher wrote that he wished to learn more about God, and in meditation, came across a higher being, which provided a more proper description of God for us linear experiensors. To the best of my recollection, it was that God is the one being simultaneously aware of all possible relations/dynamics in creation.

I hope that the author has opportunity to someday experience a more satisfactory relationship and explanation of the Godhead.

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I was interested in a few off-hand remarks made earlier in the text, especially that there is a sound audible in the spirit realm, that of a continuous "Ah", which is the sound of the name of God, according to several spiritual paths. I have written in my 2012 blog that such indeed exists and that it is wonderful to join in. Also, that it is the basis of Japa meditation, which is a highly useful form of Seeking.

On another front, that the population of Earth would be quite diminished by the 22nd century sometime. This goes with what the Psychic Consortium have said, especially in a PM I'd recently publicly posted, I believe in a MysticalChick thread. Owing to the fact that the majority of the population are fear-based, and because we are moving into a world in which fear may not exist, at least to that extent, it is ahem probable that "change" will occur. Also owing to the fact of global warming (natural and man-enhanced) and the stripping of the topsoil, which when combined, will result in a food bottleneck at some point (I've said for years, here and elsewhere, that we must be able to grow our own personal food). There are selfish forces working with this information to come out on top in the coming energy/food/resource bottleneck; be aware of them and fight them with all possible focus. Peak Oil, Hydraulic Empires, changes in the Economy...they know about global warming and are looking forward to attempt to use it to gain even more power. Same people as BushCo and their international money buddies. Note that OPEC now control four of the five largest oil deposits in the world (adding Iraq with the help of US forces via Bush). Iran is the remaining "free" deposit of the top five. Is it any surprise that the CIA have been busy providing weaponry to both Iran and Iraq for years, in hopes they'll fight each other and allow a "friendly" force to step in and "help" them (as we've done in Iraq) the same way China have done for Tibet? "Creating causes and conditions", as the Tibetans say. Remember, Daddy Bush was once head of the CIA..

Change in the overall vibration will make it more difficult for the outright negative to gain such control, but not all involved are outrightly negative.

I am not looking at the process, only the outcome. Suffice to say it is possible that the coastlines will be different in a few decades...and that the high-vibration humans who will populate the world, will, once free, have a Wonderful time in a changing but magnificent world.

I encourage Seers to post their insight into these trends...