Could this be what will happen?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

For years, there were people who predicted great earth changes. And now we are hearing through Karen Bishop and others about the ascension process, where this world will stay but a new one be created.

Well, tonight I watched a program about Yellowstone's super-volcano, and got thinking. What if all the geologic hot spots blew at once? Could this be what is really what will happen? I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here--just trying to figure out how exactly all the changes that are supposed to happen in the relatively short time between now and 2011 (or 2012) are going to happen.

[rosesaylavee]

1. Hope not.

I would prefer not to go that way.

[MorningGlow]

2. My impression: I don't think so

I used to be very afraid of major apocalyptic actions--because I was picking up on the probability that that was what was coming. But that's changed in recent years (even with Bush in office) and is even less strong now, to the point of being nearly nonexistent. Our world will change, but subtly--not with a bang, or even a whimper. More of a big relieved sigh. :D

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. That I could take

I want a world where everyone has enough. Where we work together, and see differences as interesting, not something over which to fight.

[crikkett]

9. May it be so!

:hug:

[PinkTiger]

18. Yes. But unfortunately, we live on Earth. LOL

If right now, someone waved a magic wand and that really happened, in about 15 minutes it would change back.

[stellanoir]

3. The more people there are who are consciously working with the earth energies

and revering Gaia, the more such devastating earth changes will be mollified.

Barring the eventuality of a cosmic collision with a comet or cosmic bowling ball, they'd never all blow simultaneously.

That's simply not Gaia's style nor is it in her best interest.

She'll stretch a little here, she'll stretch a little there, but the focused consciousness and healing energy of more people towards her assistance can only help.

So can events such as this one:

http://www.firethegrid.com/

best

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. thanks for this

I did think that Fire the Grid last time averted some catastrophes. I think you are right--conscious group effort can support Gaia.

[stellanoir]

7. You are very welcome.

Don't fret. I know it's difficult for all of us to fall into the chicken little mentality from time to time.

We probably all do it now and again with all that's swirling around us.

I'm so pleased that Shelly was guided to have another event in July and I'll certainly promote it whenever I can.

Right now though, I've got to focus on this Jupiter, Neptune, Chiron conjunction coming up next month. Dover & rick's threads about it were most inspiring.

Yikes.

peace baby

We can mutually nudge each other out of the chicken little mode whenever need be.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. Now that conjunction should be VERY interesting

I'm wondering what will happen in generally and for all of us personally.

[Shallah Kali]

21. Gaia is a loving mother and will give all her children every chance possible to avoid such horrors

look at places like findhorn and perelandra where people work with nature daily as well as the revivals in earth based spirituality in the west.

my only fear is that too many are still stuck in the end timer type phobic thoughtforms and so we will be stuck with some tragities if not the day after tomorrow/waterworld/mad max senarios. Have enough rejected the habit of belief that great changes can only come through great distruction or can enough accept the shift can be on the energy level so any physical changes can be gentle like a good chiropractor popping the body back into it's proper alignment???

[Cleita]

6. Hmm, I always considered the ascension idea more of a change for the

better, when we move to make things better in the world, moving away from violence and greed towards sharing and denouncing war and other violent actions. I'm sure there will be cataclysmic natural events in the future like earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes erupting and such, but they won't be all at once.

[Shallah Kali]

10. Personally I feel that the yellowstone thing is fear mongering

to trigger emotions connected to disasters in other lifetimes. there are things that benefit from people acting from fear instead of rational thought. there are also things that feed off fear. when I suspect something is trying to push my buttons like programs such as that I pay extra attention and work to clear the emotions for those reasons plus it simply is more pleasant without carrying around lifetimes of anxiety.

*IF* and this is a really big **IF** anything cataclysmic happens I beleive it will be caused by humans not natural processes. At this point I think it unlikely for something of that magnitude happening within our lifetimes or that of our kids and grandkids.

The shift is the blending of dimensions. we are not ascending up there. Up there is joining us down here. how far and how fast we go depends on human will and willingness. are we willing to give up lifetimes of maladaptive coping behavior? are we willing to forgive ourselves for being human and screwing up this and that and these other things in lifetime after lifetime? are we willing to at least be open to the possability of offering the same consideration to others? are we willing to love ourselves as we are imperfectly perfect and accept the blessings offered to *all* beings? (note to those who worry this is a license to license -loving our imperfect selves does not intend that we stop learning, growing to be the best self possible) examining, learning from our flaws does not mean holding them so tightly we cannot open our arms to receive gifts freely given. also we will not wake up one day and have everything perfect. the shift is a gradual one worked one piece, one step at a time. each move making just that much more room for light, just that much more room for love in place of what was before so we can carry our best highest vibration which triggers others on the verge to awaken and move forward as well. each step along the way is a choice to stay move forward or move back. it s up to each to choose which to take.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. Thanks for these thoughtful words

the part about self-forgiveness has always been hard for me. I was taught self-loathing at an early age, and to think of myself as worthy of anything has often been difficult. Right now, I'm revisiting that part of my being, and trying to figure out how to get out of a destructive emotional rut.

[Shallah Kali]

19. You are most welcome

I just hoped my babbling would have something useful in it for you. I personally find it easier to work on my shadow stuff than accept any good qualities in myself. For too many years I frankly felt like I needed to apologize to everyone on earth and beg their pardon for taking up space and using up oxygen here on earth. I think of it as the please excuse me for breathing complex :p It makes it hard to accept that there is anything good about me, that I deserve the basic human decenecy and basic standard of living I think everyone else should get. Lots of arguing with self to get to the point of having any self-worth pointing out to self that I wouldn't let a dear friend treat herself like that, and still I am peeling back layer after layer of this stuff right now. but it must be done or how else am I to make room in my life for the good stuff if I am full up with the not so good stuff?

Please don't give up on yourself. Remember the Creator does not make junk so you must logically allow yourself a minimum amount of esteem and keep going from there :hug:

BTW just to be sure I was not saying that you were fearmongering but programs like that one on super volcanos and other mega-disasters *are* IMO.

[MorningGlow]

13. One of my favorite college professors

ventured into this subject--memory (group memory, in her case) of a past apocalypse. Her theory was that the concept of hell (fire and brimstone, punishment, perpetual physical agony) was how we processed the race memory of a past nuclear holocaust, possibly the demise of Mars.

I loved that woman. Truly I did. :loveya:

[Shallah Kali]

20. Personally I figure a good chunk of it is Atlantis blended with various catastropies throughout hist

tho I do recall Zacharia Sitchin opining that there was a past nuclear war here on earth among the annunaki. :shrug: don't know, I just know programs like the OP mentioned hit my primal fear points deep in the gut much much more than they hit my logical worry or esp spots. Fake (no basis in current reality) fear is much worse to deal with than real fear, not that real fear is any funner or easy :crazy: It's just the terror isn't *quite* as terroising -or at least it is for me.

[Dover]

12. I had a dream the other night

In the dream I was staying in this motel/live-in type place. You know those one story roadside motels, old and unkempt, where there is just a line of rooms? Well the building was like that only some people seemed to be living there as well. I was staying there, in some nondescript room, for some unknown reason
and opened the door looking west and saw in the far distance two nuclear clouds rising up from the same general area. As I said, it was far enough away that one could not hear it, but could see it. The woman in the next room over (who was more like a full time resident) must have also seen it. She scrambled outside to her 'garden' and started collecting tomatoes off her plants (I guess to sustain her through the crisis) and then scurried back inside and shut the door. I too retreated inside and turned on the T.V. to the news. And while there was regular programming on, there was not a lick of news or information about this nuclear event. I sat in that room for a long time thinking about what to do next, aware there may be radiation and other things out 'there'. But practically speaking I also knew I couldn't just stay in that room either. It wasn't even my home.
I was just passing through. And I didn't have anything to sustain me there anyway. I eventually went back out again and observed in the town nearby that while others seemed to have witnessed the event as well, they also seemed to have come to the conclusion that there was really nothing they could do so they were almost immediately starting back into their regular routines. There was some alarm but no real fear.
The end

I believe symbolically the West represents the setting sun, the end of a cycle, completion.
I was talking to my sister about this and she said she could identify with all those feelings...of recognizing we were at the end-game of this reality, of feeling like an observer of events she could do nothing about and changes/circumstances that were so monumental and pervasive that there was really no way to prepare or means to sustain oneself within it.

I think at one level many of us know we've passed some tipping point for the old reality which is no longer our 'home', that cannot sustain us. So in a sense we are living double lives...in one we recognize we are on the precipice of complete transformation while also going about business as usual in the 'old' reality. It's like having one foot on two ships that are floating apart. Time to make the leap to one or the other. And this ASAH group has discussed many ways in which we can begin to orient ourselves to the new reality though no one can know with certainty what it is. That is what faith is all about. Developing and trusting that inner voice and compass, and leaving the rest to the Divine.

[MorningGlow]

14. OMG that's IT!

Dover, thank you for that image--"like having one foot on two ships that are floating apart"--that is the BEST description of what we're going through, what I've been feeling for the past few years. WOW. :wow: Thank you. :hug:

Fascinating dream, too--interesting that the nuclear event was off in the distance, so far that you couldn't even hear it. No immediate harm, no immediate threat. It just...was. I also like the symbolism of being in the motel, and you were just passing through. Aren't we all, in this lifetime...

[Dover]

15. Yes "just passing through". I've had several 'disaster' dreams that

were way off in the distance and always the observer. Dream symbols can be such a powerful inner language that words cannot express.

I realized after your response that I meant to say MOtel rather than HOtel, so I went back and edited with a bit more description.

[MorningGlow]

16. Me too

I was just looking through my dream journal (I only record the "biggies", so it spans 10 years--just wrote on the last page--finally time to start a new one!) and I had recorded one that was similar several years ago--mushroom cloud in the distance and all that. I also think that anyone who lived through the Cold War, especially the nuclear threat of the '80s, has that fear imprinted on our psyches--even if we use it for symbolic purposes.

[Dover]

17. Yes, I think that's right. It's our generation's collective symbol for disaster, death, endings.

And then there are, as you also suggested, past life memories of monumental disasters that inform the collective symbolism, as well as precog of impending disasters. Hard to separate that out sometimes, but their symbolism, at least, is pretty clear.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

22. you got it

I think your last two paragraphs sum up our current situation nicely.

[northernlights]

23. that's exactly how I've been feeling too

And for years. When I came up here, I felt the time had come. I came here to learn more self-sufficiency, to learn to garden and make medicine. To learn what I will need to learn in my new life. And to heal. I knew that this place was a healing place. Hopefully when I sell it, it will be a healing place for somebody else too.

On the nuclear dream, I know that you're seeing it symbolically, but I had a premonition last year about a nuclear attack here on a major city, I think this year. I was having that feeling for some time before the odds of it happening in the near future were made public by some national security think tank. So I don't know if I was just picking up on their report before it was published. I felt it would be east coast and the radiation would travel up the coast. Recently, I've seen myself sometimes on the road heading west when it happened, other times it happens shortly after I arrive to my new home. I originally thought I would move further north, but now I want only to move west. The shack I think will be my home is in southern Oregon. I do feel there will be some huge shakeup here in physical reality. We will each be where we need to be, so I don't feel fear around it, only sadness.

I feel that people who ascend will co-exist in the same physical reality as people who do not. But as Karen Bishop has written, ascendants (hopefully I'll make the leap) will be "invsible" to the rest. Not necessarily literally invisible. Just so unimportant to them that they don't even notice us (as we nimbly step out of the way while they charge around like maniacs).