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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:53 PM
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Don't expect a homeopathic remedy for swine flu
We called our homeopathic compounding company today to see when they were going to come out with a swine flu remedy. They told us the FDA had come in and confiscated the stuff they make it from because it was a "biological hazard". They are also looking into stopping the manufacture of influenzium, even though that is made from a vaccine, not the virus itself. What our homeopathic physician recommends is to get influenzium while you can, or stock up on remedies like this to treat the symptoms:

Gelsemium
Bryonia

Meanwhile, eat right, take your supplements, and stay healthy!
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:26 PM
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1. Well that's scary as all get out!
What the FDA and Big Pharma won't do to protect their profits is chilling! We have Oil of Oregano and silver on hand. Does silver get old? It's colloidal. Is Nano better? Also, what about that Miracle Mineral supplement(liquid) I've heard about?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:34 PM
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2. Here's what we're stocking up on
Black Elderberry extract (to use once you are sick-helps you get well faster) and Monolauren (lauric acid). Take the latter as a preventative, or if you start feeling like you might be coming down with something, double your dosage. It has knocked things out before they start with me.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:45 PM
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3. Is there a "go-to" online source for all this you can recommend?
Thanks. :)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:15 PM
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4. Well, here's a link
to an article Doc wrote about building the immune system which you may find helpful:

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/BoostingImmune.htm

Here's some of the article:

For anyone who actually has the flu, there’s no substitute for European black elderberry extract. The first brand allowed into the US in the mid-90’s was called Sambuchol, but now Ecological Formulas and other companies make equivalent products that work fine. Before I started using a homeopathic flu prevention every year, I used to get the flu annually. This gave me a chance to test elderberry extract. I can personally claim similar results to those achieved in a 1993 placebo controlled trial. People who were given placebo in this trial had 6 days of misery on average. People given the black elderberry were well in 2 days. In my case, I had been woods-walking in a deep snow fall, got a little overly tired, and wound up with the flu. By taking elderberry extract, in about 36 hours my fever broke, and in less than 48 hours I was back out walking in what remained of the snow. That was so vastly different from every other year that I had gotten the flu, there was no doubt in my mind that it was the extract that made the difference. I’ve also used it for head colds with some mixed success. A flu virus has two basic components, a hemagglutinin that allows it to enter through the cell membrane, and a neuroaminidase that is involved in viral reproduction. Each flu virus species is named by these two components, such as “H1N1”. I used to think elderberry was a neuroaminidase inhibitor. I have since read that elderberry works on the hemagglutinin part of the flu virus, preventing the virus from entering healthy cells.

To avoid getting infectious diseases, there are some other immune boosters commonly available. For myself, starting in October and usually ending at the end of March, I take astragalus in a capsule form, one twice daily. Classically, astragalus is a Chinese herb used in soups and broths. It increases white blood cell activity (T-cells), increases antibody production, increases our production of virus fighting interferon molecules, and also acts as an adaptogen and anti-inflammatory. It is quite safe, although I’ve heard it said by Kerry Bone, Ph.D., an extremely knowledgeable herbalist, that if despite astragalus one gets a fever, one should stop taking astragalus and switch to Andrographis instead.

Andrographis is another traditional Chinese herb also used in Indian medicine. Currently, it is in common use in Sweden as a first-line treatment for flu and other upper respiratory infections. It is also reported as useful for digestive, cardiovascular and urinary tract disorders. This herb is not heard of in the United States as much as others I will mention, but actually has more scientific studies than some of the others. Several placebo controlled double blind studies have been done, and all showed that people with upper respiratory infections had statistically significant improvement as compared to people taking the placebo. It seems to help headache, tiredness, sore throat, nasal drainage and fever more than it does cough.

While most of the studies with andrographis have been done with people who are already sick, there is some evidence that it also helps with prevention of illness. There are minimal side effects and it’s safety record is excellent.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:59 PM
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5. I'm so sorry, Ayesha....I meant a resource to purchase the stuff....
;)

I trust the information...I was just looking for a recommendation as to where I could get it all. Maybe one store online?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. :)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:10 PM
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6. Ah
Well, as said in the article, Ecological Formulas has the Elderberry and Monolauren. I know that they accept individual and store orders, because when I called in an order today they asked me if I was ordering for myself or for a store. Washington Homeopathics has an online store, and that's where we get our remedies. Hope this information helps.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 07:25 PM
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7. It does. Thanks so much. :) n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:22 PM
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8. So Washington is the compound pharmacy you mention in the OP?
I've ordered from them before. Good experience. These days I try to get everything I can from iherb. Unfortunately, last time I ordered I had my first ever bad experience with them. It worked out okay, but the process wasn't worry free as usual. I'll still use them.

When I lived in Vegas, I was able to go down the street to Hyland's compound pharmacy and pick up right there! Nice. I've also mail ordered from them.
http://www.hylands.com/
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:57 AM
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16. Among others
Our homeopath called a couple of places, if memory serves. But thanks for the information for other sources. I'm thinking that it would be nice to have a thread about good places to buy this sort of thing online.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:40 AM
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13. I am pleased with this Elderberry formula from Planetary Herbals
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 01:41 AM by Desertrose
Here is a link to Planetary Herbal's Elderberry Syrup
European Classic For Natural Defenses.
In the herbal traditions of Europe, elderberry (Sambucus nigra) has been used since antiquity as a wine, a syrup, and a warming winter cordial. The berries are rich in bioflavonoids and anthocyanins, a unique class of constituents known for their beneficial effect on cellular function, and particularly for their role in maintaining the integrity of capillary walls. Planetary Formulas delicious Elderberry Syrup captures these unique compounds, uniting age-old tradition with modern science to support natural defenses.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Teaspoon
Servings per Container: 47
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
European Elder Berry Extract 4:1 5 mL


Here's another remedy that totally kicks bronchial problems. (I swear its the Osha root that does it. Nasty taste but powerful stuff). Planetary Herbals Old Indian Wild Cherry Bark Syrup

I've found this website to have pretty good prices- usually around 40% off retail.:)

:hug: DR
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:55 AM
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15. We really need another thread to list all these great places
to get remedies and herbs, etc.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:05 PM
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21. with the elderberry
be careful which flu you use it for. Lab studies have shown one chemical in it can increase cytokine production by a factor of 10. Normally it's good to boost your immune system that way, but if it's an entirely new strain that is causing "cytokine storms" (eg if young healthy adults are dying from it) then elderberry could make you far sicker.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:35 PM
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9. I dug up these sources the other day..
and this is a good place to post them. I suspect with the limited supply of vaccine, front line health workers will be mandated to receive them first, and then ???

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-list-discussion/10446-swine-flu-panic.html
Swine Flu Panic
Thread worth reading for now and the future. I've followed Sherri for years. We used to post on the same email list.
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

http://www.billgrayhomeopathy.com/FluShot.html
Because of their relative ineffectiveness and potential harm, I recommend against flu shots for anyone of any age despite media pressure. For patients of mine who are already under constitutional treatment, if you get the flu, take a dose of your remedy. It works most of the time (though not always).

Another option is FluMist, a live vaccine which is taken as a nose spray. It costs a little less than twice as much, but it is as effective as the shot, lasts about 18 months, and should not have the Autoimmunity problem.

From the homeopathic point of view, it makes common sense to duplicate the ROUTE of administration of the virus. Flu in nature is acquired through mucous membranes, so all immune methods are involved. Bypassing such mechanisms by injecting random proteins does not make sense.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:fxkR0NmAgA0J:ecrimefighter.com/virus-protection/influenza-bird-flu-and-homeopathy-%E2%80%93-can-it-provide-a-different-perspective+homeopathy+swine+flu&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
(page is cached due to some cookie error) VERY good article on homeopathy and flu.
Influenza, Bird Flu and Homeopathy – Can it Provide a Different Perspective?

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/morris_h.html
(Our government's role.)
Dr J. Anthony Morris

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA

"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway."------Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA)

This guy is a little extreme on some issues, but is tracking the outbreak:
http://www.naturalnews.com/Index.html

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:40 PM
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10. Read that it will be months
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 09:41 PM by Why Syzygy
before a vaccine is even ready for trials. (I consider that a GOOD thing.)
Couldn't homeopathic be prepared much faster?

Why is it okay for labs and pharmcos to have access to the agent but not homeopathic labs?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:59 AM
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17. Your question a good one
and I don't know. If they had the agent, it should take about a month to come up with a remedy.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:20 AM
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11. More homeopathy info
Do not panic use Osciloococcinum by Biron homoeopathic flu nosodes and use homoeopathic remedies according to the symptoms.

Buy the book by Dr. Dorothy Shepherd — Homoeopathy in Epidemic Diseases.

She treated patients very successfully during the big influenza pandemic of 1918/19

http://starlightnews.com/wordpress/?p=85
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:00 AM
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18. What you said
that's the advice my homeopath gave me, and we're stocking up on the remedies for symptoms.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:22 AM
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12. thank you all for the information
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:12 AM
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14. Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium, Lysine
Zinc is good for the immune system by over doing actually depresses it. Problem is different articles and books list different amounts :crazy: some say don't go over 50mg others say up to 100mg. As with other minerals chelated forms tend to be better absorbed and with fewer side effects.

I have been picking up a lot of fear over this from other people that I have to keep clearing myself of :/ Fear does not do anyone any good. Better to try to work though the fear (let myself feel it a bit at a time until discharged) when it is my own fear rather than let worry wear down my immune and other systems. I remember reading of a study that showed while intially the immune system lowers after working with painful memories and the like soon after it bounces back higher than before that work.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:02 AM
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19. I'm picking up fear and paranoia
surrounding the news of this. Interestingly enough, we haven't had any calls at the clinic about this yet.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:28 PM
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20. Do Not Panic is the first and possibly
the most important advice anyone can give or get.

Then be sure to wash your hands thoroughly and regularly.

Then make use of whatever remedies you consider beneficial.

Use common sense, don't panic, realize that despite the hype in the media the actual numbers of those affected by the swine flu are incredibly small, especially when you compare the number of deaths to the numbers of people who die from all sorts of other causes every day. The coverage is actually a tribute to our CDC and the Mexican government paying close attention to anomalous illnesses and deaths. But I seriously doubt the apocalypse is at hand.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:11 PM
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22. I agree - use common sense. Thanks nt
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