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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 08:55 PM
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Did anyone else watch Olberman tonight ?
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 09:10 PM by karynnj
He was discussing Romney's lies about being a hunter. I'm not sure who he was speaking to - but the man - then said something to the affaect of Kerry having said he was a hunter too, what is it with MA? Then he said Romney has a "Kerry problem" like the $87 billion being for it than against it. Olberman said not one word in defense.

In anger, I send this ranting (likely over reacting) email -
In your segment covering Mitt Romney's lie about being a hunter, your guest rather than call Romney a liar and speak of the fact that he has clearly changed positions on several major issues decided to attack Senator Kerry. He first implied that Kerry like Romney was not a hunter. In fact, Kerry has hunted since he was young . Then he said that Romney has a "Kerry" problem of changing his positions, referring to the famous $87 billion quote. You remained silent allowing Kerry to be slandered by the same RW talking points that were not true in 2004. Here, it was worse. Romney LIED, Kerry is an unusually honest politician.

The $87 billion NEVER was a flip flop. Kerry explained many many times that he had just explained in detail that he had voted for a version of the bill that rolled back the tax cuts on the top 1% and had oversight to how the money was spent and against the bill without these two features.

Kerry is actually one of the most consistent politicians in his philosophy and his positions:.
- There are no flip flops on environmental issues (where he had a 96 average from the League of conservation voters - note Gore was in the 60s).

- He's always been the same on economic issues like social security, and on providing help to minorities and women running small business.

- There were no flip flops on any civil rights, women's rights, gay right's issues.

- Kerry authored the Clean elections, clean money act that he and Paul Wellstone sponsored. Kerry's floor speech on this from 1997 could be given tomorrow (updating the statistics only) and it would sound like what I heard him say in 2003 in NH (on CSPAN).

- Madeline Albright quoted positively a 1966 Yale speech on foreign policy where Kerry spoke of the importance of respecting the cultures of others and negotiating. His views are more sophisticated now, but there is enough of a thread of consistency there that if he added it to a speech today, it would not stand out as not belonging..

- On the War on Terror, Kerry was one of the first to see the problem. In his book, "The New War" he outlined the problem of the globalization of crime, including terrorism. He proposed legislation in the 1990s to track them and stop them through following the money. His views in the 1990s, were similar to the views he expressed in September 2004 (at the University of Pennsylvania). on how the war on terror would be occasionally military, but mostly law enforcement and intelligence. George Will, among others said after London stopped the plane attacks that Kerry had been right.

- On Iraq, the media repeated that he changed his positions - in fact he was far more consistent than Bush. From op-ed's before the vote, his speech when he voted, and in a Georgetown University speech ion Jan23, 2003 (before the war), he was consistent in saying that you should only go to war as a last resort, after you exhaust all diplomatic options, with a real international coalition, and in a way that plans for the aftermath. He repeated this list in every speech I saw on CSPAN. He got in trouble for calling for regime change here after Bush invaded. Every Kerry plan for Iraq since 2004 called for a diplomatic summit and no permanent bases.

Every time Kerry spoke on Iraq - the Republicans said that was what Bush was doing and the media repeated it - though it was clearly NOT what he was doing. They also claimed Kerry had changed his position.

Senator Kerry is not running for President. It seems beyond unfair that you, one of the few non-Republican voices on cable, allow Kerry's 3 decades long Reputation for honesty to be smeared. (As to flip flopping, as an exercise - go look at Edwards' 2004 positions vs his 2008 positions or Hillary's positions in 2008 vs her positions in 2000 - then look at the Faneuil Hall speeches and Kerry 's 2004 speeches. - the one who is BY FAR the most consistent is Senator Kerry.) It's rather sad that the legacy of making a principled run for the white house that might have succeeded if there were an adequate number of voting machines in Ohio is that his Senate career, his war record, and his character have all been unfairly smeared. This should really make people of character want to run for President.

Sincerely disappointed in you,
Karennj's real name



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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:04 PM
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1. Great letter, Karennj
I'll be sure to fast forward through that part of KO when I watch it. It does seem like this crap is NEVER going to go away. Meanwhile, flip flopper inventer Matthew Dowd now thinks Kerry is right -- but the monster meme he created lives on . . .
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:10 PM
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2. Awesome letter. n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:26 PM
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3. It was Richard Wolfe of News Week and he never has anything
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 09:58 PM by wisteria
good to say about Senator Kerry. He either ignore him or takes stabs at him. I heard that exchange and the comparisons to Romney. The I voted before it before I voted against it and yes, this is the second time he has claimed that Kerry is not a hunter.

I was thinking about e-mailing the jerk too. He did a piece the other day about Matt Dowd and didn't once mention Kerry, yet he seemed to fit in a mention of Obama in the context of who Dowd might support. He is an ass.


I have been informed it wasn't Wolfe, but Millstein (?). That however, doesn't excuse Wolfe. He always says nasty things about Kerry.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:50 PM
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4. How can you cover the Dowd story without mentioning Kerry
He was a key part of the story.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:57 PM
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6. It was so blatant. I kept reading thinking he just had to mention Senator Kerry, but
two pages later and not one mention.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:51 PM
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5. I saw Richard Wolfe on Hardball the other day
and I swear he was the Republican in the discussion. Or at least, more conservative than most on the left. I never understood whay Olbermann has him on his show so much.
The only thing good about Richard Wolfe is his accent.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 10:45 PM
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7. karennj...
... "In anger, I send this ranting (likely over reacting) email -"

Yes, a little 'over-the-top' :7 but it was exactly what I was thinking while I was watching. :)

Thank you for sending it. Well done !!!
:patriot:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:07 PM
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8. Thanks
I doubt they read the email sent them - but I hope someone at least reads it - and putting it here, some did. Where better to find people who agree.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:50 PM
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9. Good letter
Apparently pissing on JK is the new national pastime. I'm so thoroughly, utterly, fed up with the garbage. Let's see if anyone from KO's show actually acknowledges your email - I hope they do, since they can't exactly argue with your calmly stated facts. (I don't know how you keep that calm and rational - this is why ultimately I'm not such a great advocate. The lies make me far too emotional and angry)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:27 AM
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11. Thanks, but your passion is often far far more effective
It does seem that you are right on the national pastime. I suspect that the reasons are:
- That Republicans are beginning to realize that Kerry was right and that he was the better man - and they hate that realization. They also clearly resent that we have the REAL hero on our side.

- That the wing of the Democratic party that we are suppose to fall in line behind wants Kerry's strong moral voice silenced and feels if they are mean enough to him he will go away. This shows an inability to read history or make inferences from it. It also shows why we need to fight like crazy to defeat them in the primaries.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:59 AM
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14. thanks so much for writing that letter
I feel the same way exactly. It is so weird how the RW hates him like a plague and those in the middle just accept all the smears at face value--and to top it off, the left calls him DLC and discounts what he says and does as well! I can't understand it--what motivates all of these people? Why can't they open their eyes and know a good man and good citizen when they see one??? Not fair. Not fair at all.

It almost makes me start to think that there must be something wrong with us--his fans. Are we delusional, or did he really do and say all of the things we admire him for? For the record, I KNOW we're not delusional!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:37 PM
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15. Thank you - I sometimes think that
most of this country has amnesia on 2004. It bothers me when so many people repeat things that were never true, never proven and actually debunked.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:11 PM
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16. makes me wonder about other politicians--
I mean, does every politician have a public image that is so far from his/her real self? We have JK under close watch so know which is the correct one--but is this true of others too? Or is it particular to JK and a few others who have been under attack? I know Dean is another one who has a different public image for a lot of people that what he really is. There have to be others. It should show us that any time someone is portrayed in the media, we shouldn't jump to conclusions about them. Because the story may be all spin.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:19 AM
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10. Excellent letter, Karynnj.
These days it seems however, that media folk are allergic to facts. (More specifically, they seem to be allergic to facts about Senator Kerry.) Sigh.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:26 AM
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12. One of the best letters EVER, Karen.
I am so proud to even read it.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:34 AM
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13. I am almost sure it was
Howard Feinman (sp?) and for what's worth I got mad too. By the way, great letter!
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