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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:39 AM
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DailyKos diary to rec & comment
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/22/123659/365

Thanks! Good for Kerry to speak up!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 12:04 PM
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1. Great diary.
rec'd and commented.

Thanks for doing this. I am happy Sen. Kerry spoke out. He does have the "creds" to talk on this issue. He is one of those folks who was lied to and about by the CIA.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 01:07 PM
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2. Excellent diary
Rec'd and posted.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 02:06 PM
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3. Meteor Blade weighs in. He has a point:
Thank you, beachmom. Now, if only ... (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by: beachmom, fedupinBushcountry, Amber6541, DerAmi
...Kerry's staff would call up some megamedia stations and seek to say this loudly somewhere in addition to "just off the Senate floor." With all due respect to HuffPo, Kerry ought to be shouting this through the CNN and ABC megaphones.

"Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?" - Michael Corleone

by Meteor Blades on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:34:18 AM PDT

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This week has shown that this issue is NOT going to go away. We need better surrogates, both for the President and the Congress.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 02:22 PM
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5. True. Hopefully, there will be people on TV this week-end who are
able to counter. I noticed Durbin was opposed to Newt Gingritch.

Kerry seems to be in China this week-end.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:15 PM
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9. An opinion echoed by the Economist blog DFA:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/05/you_cant_win_if_you_dont_play.cfm


You can't win if you don't play

IT'S a real indictment of Democrats that the most prominent spokesman for the president's stance on torture, after the president himself, has been Jesse Ventura. ...

The Democratic response to Dick Cheney's campaign to defend the previous administration has been to mock Mr Cheney for being unpopular and to dare Republicans to stand alongside him. That's pathetic. Mr Cheney's popularity is irrelevant. He's out making speeches in spite of it, not because of it. The majority party should show some courage and engage him on this topic.


The more I think about it the more suited I think John Kerry is for that job. Durbin will do this weekend, but if this thing keeps going, Kerry needs to get on TV. And he doesn't have to be some champion lefty representing the ACLU. How about backing up the President?


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:54 AM
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11. Other than being incredibly busy, here's 2 reasons I can think of
The first is that on the two issues, Kerry is NOT in step with Obama. This does not mean that he shouldn't speak out - but on torture, he is not in the same place as Obama. He clearly wanted Obama to create a commission and Obama didn't. He also voted against Obama on the Gitmo funding, though it is clear he wants in closed.

On GITMO, I did not see the President or his administration leading the effort to define even principles of how they were going to find placements for the people at GITMO. He has spoken of how they will be processed in military tribunals consistent with law. If Obama had identified prisons and {i]worked with mayors and governors to get support to use those prisons and then made that case to the Congress, he likely would have won. (especially because if state X were the known destination, Senators for most states will have less trouble voting for it.) These people have not been tried, assuming we intend to try them, they will be somewhere under our control for some time - so, if we want GITMO closed very soon, those alternatives are needed.

If that is not the case and the intent is to export the problem, the alternative of sending them to other countries has its own flaws. The other country can err in either direction - releasing people, who should have been tried, which could blow up in our faces or worse, releasing people really guilty of little or nothing, to countries that will continue to hold them without trial or worse. {/i] Where does our responsibility end? While I want to trust Obama, haven't we demanded that Congress do their oversight? While I think this may be knee jerk politics, Obama should have have set out at least principles for a plan and been on TV explaining what our values required us to do BEFORE the vote.

This and whether to have a commision are the PRESIDENT'S policies. Where are his justice and foreign policy people? When Clinton was chosen, it was said to be great that she was a star. She, not Kerry, is in the administration. Why should it be like the general election, where she spoke to cheering crowds of Democrats, while Kerry took the risks of countering McCain? If you want to have someone defending the President, shouldn't his administration be first in line. Where is Holder? Rice? Panetta? (Panetta has the ability to do an internal review - and give summary conclusions of any CIA involvement.)

The second reason is more subtle and that deals with the role Kerry might now want to play. He is in the Senate, but not in the party leadership there. He is the top foreign policy voice from the Senate and, consistent with what he said when he was in the minority, he and Lugar seem to be trying to tone down the partisanship. There are many big issues where that will be needed on foreign policy. John Kerry will be leading the effort on any global warming treaty.

This is a major change. During the last 4 years, he - more than anyone prominent in the Democratic party - has led on nearly every fight, often as the point person. He was incredible as a very classy attack dog - but an attack dog - all the same for Obama in both the primaries and the general election. Though that won him points on the left, there is a cost to that - as can be seen by the non-scientific poll that placed him among the most partisan Democrats. (Durbin as the Democratic whip belongs there as that is consistent with his role.) Yet, what is very clear in all his hearings and in Senate speeches and debates is the respect and willingness to engage politely. We saw him deftly stop Kyl's amendments on the Middle East and Iran - some of which would have passed with super majorities a year ago by calmly laying out in concise Senate speeches the reasons they were not good.

I also thing that what he did in Jordan was more important than anything he could have done on a talk show last week - and I suspect - that the same may be true with China this weekend. What is clear to me is that other than George Mitchell, a brilliant choice, Kerry might well be the person prominently associated with Obama who has reached out to the Arab world and seen and understood their side. That he comments were applauded by the audience and praised by King Abdullah - even as he held them to changes they never really made was great. It is also clear that Gaza trip was a big deal.

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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 03:50 PM
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12. I think you've thought this through very well
And I think you're right about what Kerry's role should be right now. It is a shift. And he is accomplishing things that no one else is as uniquely qualified to do.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 07:06 PM
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13. There are work horses and there are show horses.
Great senators like Ted Kennedy are both. Kerry has been busy being a work horse all year, and that is fine. But I also think he should still be a public voice for the Democratic party.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:54 PM
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14. I agree - and I assume he will be on foreign policy and global warming
What I don't think he has to be here is the one that is front and center on this issue for Obama. He was fantastic explaining foreign policy during the election. He clearly is out there in the world working on these issues and I assume that he will speak on them. I assume that he will in the future be one of the vices as he is too good not to use - which is likely why he was out there so often in 2008.

It may be that on the middle east and global warming, the current need is not so much getting US constituents behind the issues, but actually influencing foreign leaders to trust Obama. I assume that Kerry has sufficient ego that he will take credit when he can, but he has his priorities in order enough that actually being part of doing good things is likely higher. I wish he were given more credit, but he is not a media favorite. (Just compare HRC's press on her visits anywhere to Kerry's more substantial trips to Gaza, Jordan, Pakistan, Sudan etc - she has the title and countless articles praising her, but he seems to have done more in depth work.)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 02:20 PM
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4. Great diary.\nt
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 03:18 PM
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6. If anyone has trusted user status, there is a swiftboater who needs to be troll rated:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:42 PM
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7. Excellent diary. n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:18 PM
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8. Done! Thanks n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 05:59 AM
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10. Great (and popular :-) diary!
Thanks for NOT staying away, beachmom.
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