Kerry on the floor n/t

[fedupinBushcountry]

[Blaukraut]

1. 'six days of misinterpretations and misstatements'

right on, Kerry!

[Island Blue]

2. Why are all Republican such pricks?

[_dynamicdems]

15. Because they are compensating. They don't have any balls. n/t

[kerrygoddess]

3. This is a joke

Warner is acting like a child! Wasting time - WTF?

Blogging this if they ever stop arguing about time on Dem Daily!

[ProSense]

4. These people are

fools! Absolute dickheads!

[kerrygoddess]

5. A bunch of bullies

Robert Byrd... bless his heart... they won't even let him speak...

Warner is the biggest prick!

[beachmom]

7. Pretty pathetic that he's my "good" senator in comparison to

the junior senator of Virginia, AKA Herr Barfbag!!

[babylonsister]

9. What did Byrd want to introduce, do you know? nt

[JanusAscending]

36. I heard him say he had an amendment also?????

Also "jomentum" is waiting his turn to speak. Maybe the fact that he's received a lot of emails today with petitions that "no democrat that votes against Kerry's amdmnt. will get our votes come Nov.!!!

[babylonsister]

70. Joe's tune remains the same; I hope he loses his seat over this. nt

[fedupinBushcountry]

8. Absolutely ridiculous

Is this how the Levin amendment started?

[JanusAscending]

25. No it's not! Only Democrats make mistakes planning floor time

schedules!!:sarcasm:

[beachmom]

6. Don't they have staffers to work this stuff out?

It's kinda funny watching big power senators discussing something as mundane as "scheduling". There is an art to scheduling time -- I've seen secretaries create time out of thin air!! I thought they would have worked this sort of thing out about this ahead of time.

[Blaukraut]

10. Leahy up now - intends to vote for both amendments as he is

co-sponsor of Kerry/Feingold amendment

[Blaukraut]

11. 'easy to send troops off to die while sitting pretty in DC

easy to send troops without the proper armor' - Leahy
American ppl were misled, Geneva conv. disregarded. Invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden, as always implied'

[fedupinBushcountry]

12. Durbin up

Saying if Wellstone was there today he would be voting for the Kerry amendment. Very eloquent, brought tears to my eyes.

[Blaukraut]

13. Durbin doing well

Talking about his conscience after the IWR vote. How he stayed behind on the Senate floor talking - for the last time - to Paul Wellstone.
Soft-spoken, yet moving story.

[ProSense]

16. That was a terrific statement!

Paul Wellstone would have voted for the Kerry-Feingold Amendment!

[babylonsister]

14. What's the point of 'Clerk will call the roll'? It was previously

interrupted. Is it to see who's there, to stall the resolution, waste time, what?:shrug:

[JanusAscending]

17. Kerry about to speak, if Warner will just SHUT THE FUCK UP !!

OK now it's Feingold ???? LORD please forgive my language, but be with our brave Senators as they "try" to speak ????? Thank you, AMEN

[Blaukraut]

18. Why does Warner get to speak twice for 30 minutes?

He gets to rebut all of them? Nice.

[TayTay]

19. Hi all. Looks like Sen. Feingold will speak first?

It looks like they are working out the speaking part on the fly.

[Blaukraut]

20. Kerry cedes time to Feingold. Will speak after F. and Boxer n/t

[Island Blue]

21. Sometimes JK is just too nice.

I want to hear him speak now. He sceeded his time to Feingold for now.

[babylonsister]

22. I'm hoping all this was pre-planned. They had to know roadblocks

would be thrown in their faces, i.e., Warner wasting time.

[Blaukraut]

23. Feingold reiterating first off that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

the war in Afghanistan was the response to 9/11. Bush admin listed 45 countries where Al Quaeda was operating. Iraq not on that list. Zarqawi was not in Saddam controlled part of Iraq when invasion happened.

[ProSense]

26. Kerry is a diplomat and

definitely knows these jerks. That 2 hours and 20 minutes with no interruption from the other side was a great place to start! On negotiation: Feingold speaks for a half hour, Boxer and Byrd get to control the debate for a half hour and Kerry gets to speak for a half hour!

[karynnj]

27. Might also be some what strategic

He gets the last word. Kerry had to either have Feingold pushed later or do what he did. The Republicans are slamming Kerry not Feingold - which says something.

Feingold is doing a good job ... arguing that Iraq was a mistake. He is showing that we are failing elsewhere due to Iraq. I doubt he could transistion to a defense position like Kerry can. I just hope Kerry gets to explain the full nature of his amendment.

[Blaukraut]

24. Roach motel theory

That all the world's terrorists are centralized in Iraq. lol

[Blaukraut]

28. Feingold asks how many Senators have been to Somalia

Indonesia, both of which are affiliated with Al Quaeda. 1 and 2 respectively.

[TayTay]

29. Feingold is doing a great job

He is making the point that Iraq was NOT a terrorist haven before the war and that the arguments of the Repubs to place Iraq as the capital of terrorism is, at best, misleading. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we are letting those who did attack us on 9/11 get away. This will have massive repercussions in how America acts and is perceived for decades.

Feingold is demoslishing the 'fight them over there so we don't have to have to fight them here' argument. Feingold listed a bunch of countries that we could have invaded because they have terrorists but we haven't. Nice job.

[Island Blue]

33. "Some don't want to admit it was a mistake in the first place."

He hit the nail on the head with that one.

[whometense]

79. Agree.

It was a really good speech.

[Blaukraut]

30. Feingold; 'refocus our energy on those who attacked us'

faulting the rethugs for continuously equating Al Quaeda with Iraq.

[Island Blue]

31. Such logic.

Surely the Rethugs have to see the logic in this arguement. Right? Feingold is doing a great job. Love his passion.

[ProSense]

32. Withdraw and save lives! Refocus to fight terror! n/t

[TayTay]

35. Great line of attack

We don't need to embolden our Enemy. I'll tell you what emboldens our enemy, staying in Iraq.

Nice.

[Blaukraut]

34. Feingold; 'do we want to have a moment of silence for 3000..

3500, 10000? Because that's where we're headed'

[babylonsister]

37. Sadly, before it's all said and done, that could happen. nt

[Blaukraut]

38. Kerry; 'grown to expect sloganeering, characterizing'

'This is what we have come to'

[TayTay]

39. Kerry, part one

He is starting out by saying that the Rethugs will try to frame this argument as something it is not. Kerry points out what his Amendment is.

1: It is binding.
2. This one has a hard date on it
3. This has an over-the-horizon force to protect the security interests of the US

In addition this amendment specifically strenghtens the national security of the US and is not an abandonment of Iraq because it asks Iraq to stand up for itself.

[Island Blue]

41. "It strengthens the sovereignty of Iraq." n/t

[TayTay]

43. This amendment will protect US security interests

It gives Iraq a boost in it's sovereignty, it allows for the US to act quickly at need and it keeps the US forces nearby for quick action.

Kerry is taking it the Admin for what they have said. The Admin has repeatedly said it is making progress. If so, then start transferring the responsibility for Iraq to Iraqis. This calls the question. IF Bush is not lying, then we must have Iraqis trained and ready.

Kerry is repeating his argument that the Iraqis only respond to dates and to strong froce from the US.

[Blaukraut]

40. amendment not abandonment of Iraq, but empowerment

amendment increases sovereignty of Iraq. Sets date Iraqis themselves have agreed will be workable..

[ProSense]

42. One year to stand up!

That's what it is. Training in one year!

[Blaukraut]

44. only months to train US troops. 4 years for Iraqi troops?

[globalvillage]

54. Lieberman is a jerk.

War is hell. No shit, Joe.
He can't be one of us. He really can't.

Sorry, posted in the wrong place.
He's still a jerk.

[TayTay]

45. Who else believes that we need to start to withdraw

Well, Bill Buckley, for one.

Kerry is stating his positive views here. He does not believe that his Amendment is recognizing failures, but allowing for Iraqi successes. There is no abandonment, there is a chance for Iraqis to stand up and take charge of their own needs. He believes Iraqis can do this and soon, the Admin seems to think that they have to hold the Iraqis hands forever.

We cannot be there forever. The US general recofnize this. We need the Bush Admin to see this and admit it and set a date for withdrawal can occur. These are our goals for Iraq and the US.

Trained "Iraqi Forces
Fight Al Qaeda
Protect American forces in American facilities.

Kerry's amendment provides for all of this.

[globalvillage]

46. Oooh. glasses.

He's doing great.

[Island Blue]

47. Oh, he just put on the glasses!

[ProSense]

48. Damn right he knows, but he's

an ass! (Warner)

[Blaukraut]

49. 'stay the course' is policy based on wishful thinking

lack of diplomacy like no other time in history.
90% of Shia want us to withdraw, 90% of Sunni want us to withdraw. Why not listen to them? How is that respect for sovereignty?

[TayTay]

50. Kerry is now bringing the Iraqi point of view into the debate

And stating all the reasons that the IRaqis should be consulted on what happens in their country.

He really is doing very well. He seems upset about the time constraints and the Rethugs tricks that are trying to divide the Dems and marginalize them. The Rethugs are trying to make the Dems look silly and devided.

[Blaukraut]

51. It's so obvious, isn't it? n/t

[Blaukraut]

52. What a surprise NOT. Lieberman opposes both amendments n/t

[_dynamicdems]

53. Lieberman. Jeez. n/t

[Blaukraut]

57. I swear he's on crack. n/t

[_dynamicdems]

85. Oh the image that conjures up in my head is baaaad! n/t

[Island Blue]

55. Why the fuck doesn't Liberman just change teams?

He makes me want to :puke:

[Blaukraut]

64. He may yet, if rumblings are to be believed. Go from Dem to Indy

[TayTay]

56. On no! It's Joe.

How is he going to stab us in the back now. (That's it, Ned Lamont gets a donation from me.)

War is hell, we have to acknowledge that. But it's so worth it because we have to stay the course because we are there and we have lost people and if we pull out we will not be honoring those who are there. (Doesn't make sense to me either.)

We had to overthrow Saddam. (BTW, not the argument presented to Congress in Oct 02.) Mistakes were made but we have to 'stay the course' because Saddam was overthrown. It's now a war of necessity.

Thanks for using the phrase 'retreat and defeat' Joe. God I hope you lose your primary.

[Blaukraut]

59. this performance may just do him in for good n/t

[TayTay]

71. I hope so.

He sounds just like Cornyn and all the rest. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to use the RW talking points against his own.

I hope Lieberman is not there next year. He thinks he's entitled to that seat. I hope the people of CT disagree. He is prviding cover for the Rethugs. What an idiot! Does he honestly think this will help him look 'steady.'

[JanusAscending]

83. I am working on the Lamont team, and all donations are welcomed!!

I had to leave for work just as "jomentum" started his crap, and it was a pleasure to turn off the TV!! I came home in time to hear most of Sen. Kerrys speach and the discussion with the Virginia ass hat! Now Sessions is rambling on with more:puke: BILE !! Did Sen. Byrd get a chance to speak? I haven't read that far down on the thread yet, so I'll continue on and check. DC

[ProSense]

58. OK,THE FUCKING EVIL LEADER IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OUT!

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!

WHO THE FUCK ARE WE FIGHTING?

[Blaukraut]

62. we're fighting the ever-present Al Quaeda...dontcha know?

Sure, Zarqawi is dead, but there's a neverending supply where that one came from, so more of our troops can get killed fighting those knuckleheads.

[TayTay]

63. Joe-logic

We have to stay because it might get better. And Saddam was a bad guy. And it might get better and the good fairy might sprinkle hope and optimism and goodness all across the land.

The reality on the ground Joe is that this is a civil war. For God's sake, 100+ people were kidnapped there today because they worked in a factory aligned with the US. We cannot win some else's civil war.

It is disasterous for them and us now.

For God's sake Joe, people are dying over there. We need to change course, not kiss Bush's ass.

[globalvillage]

66. Hey, our ad is up.

google kerry.

[Blaukraut]

69. first ad on google page, too! That was a good idea, gv! n/t

[globalvillage]

76. 229,257 impressions.

Wow.

[fedupinBushcountry]

72. His chickenhawk mentality

blinds him from reality. He is afraid to debate the Kerry amendment.

[_dynamicdems]

60. What was it that Warner said about keeping within the framework of...the

OT? OF? What was it he said and what was he referring to?

[Mass]

61. UC - He is talking about the time agreement that they imposed on

Kerry and Feingold.

[TayTay]

68. I will not forget that Sen. Reed abandoned Kerry & Feingold

Reed is minority leader. He should have protected his people. Reed must really dislike both Feingold and Kerry. He did nothing to mitigate the time and scheduling problems. I won't forget that.

[babylonsister]

73. The other Reid isn't impressing me either. He apparently made a

point of pointing out that Liebermann wants/needs to talk.

[_dynamicdems]

84. Thanks! He said it quick and I wasn't sure what he was talking about. n/t

[ProSense]

65. The Iraqis have said over and over: Get out! n/t

[Island Blue]

67. JOE NEEDS TO GO!

Hey Joe, if the Iraqis want us to leave, WE SHOULD LEAVE!! Otherwise, you're fucking grandchildren will be fighting there.

[ProSense]

74. It's not al Qaeda's country! Bush selected Iraq

as the battle field against their will!

[whometense]

81. He's so frigging sanctimonious.

I want to throw a pie in his face.

[Island Blue]

75. How does Joe breath

with his head stuck so far *'s ass? I'm glad I wasn't in the same room as he was just then, I don't think I could have been quite. Fuck you Joe Lieberman!!

[TayTay]

77. New thread up

In case any dial-up people are here. Icky Ricky is up. :puke:

[demdiva]

80. ICK

Well it will just make JK seem better

[globalvillage]

78. Oh, good Lord in Heaven.

We're not going to get a history lesson from this nutcase, are we?

[demdiva]

82. On the six day, God Created Adam and Eve and said

Homosexuals shall burn in hell and Senator Kerry shall be deemed un-patriotic for not following the chosen one.