Floyd Patterson: Dead, dead, dead

[WobbliesUnite]

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/14555373.htm

"Floyd Patterson, who avenged an embarrassing loss to Ingemar Johansson by beating him a year later to become the first boxer to regain the heavyweight title, died Thursday. He was 71."

[Captain Hilts]

1. E Roosevelt knew him when he was a kid...

and followed his professional career very closely.

There's your Democratic Content for the story...

[FSogol]

2. What is the point of your subject line title?

Why the bad taste?

[WobbliesUnite]

3. It is not bad taste

[FSogol]

4. How many obits do you see with the words, Dead, dead, dead?

Have a little class, the guy has people who care/cared about him. What's your gripe about Patterson?

[WobbliesUnite]

5. I didn't single out Patterson

I would do the same for anyone. Are you practicing for your lecturer tour?

[CatWoman]

6. did I just see you moraning out in GD, Politics?

[Bridget Burke]

7. Yes, you did.

Quite noticeable.

[VolcanoJen]

9. Good eye!

;-)

[CatWoman]

10. *snarf*

Hi, Jen

:hi:

[pitohui]

12. you would do the same for anyone?

well thanks don't do me no favors

i don't appreciate the title either, i couldn't figure out if it was an anti-boxing or anti-sport dig or what

when a man has just died in tragic circumstance save the witty stuff for another time

that's just etiquette 101

[WobbliesUnite]

22. What tragic circumstance?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. That's your opinion.

[pitohui]

11. alzheimer's the cruelest enemy

apparently it stole the memories of his achievements against overwhelming odds long before his life was taken

a sad tragedy

rest in peace, mr. patterson, you fought a good fight

[NYCGirl]

13. What an asshole-ish subject title! NT

[H2O Man]

14. If you didn't intend it

to come out sounding as others have noted that it indeed does, then I think the majority of DUers would agree with Voltaire that ignorance is the mother of all cruelty. Floyd was a good and decent man, who overcame a very harsh childhood to become an outstanding athlete and American citizen. He deserves our respect. Anyone who fails to respect Floyd Paterson is either ignorant, or an asshole.

[Bake]

15. Well said, H2OMan!

Bake

[NYCGirl]

16. Good for you, H2O Man. My dad watched boxing all the time, and Paterson

was one of his favorites.

[H2O Man]

21. Your Dad

had good taste.

[NYCGirl]

23. He certainly did. Even had a picture taken with him.

Thanks for making me smile, H2O.
:hi:

[H2O Man]

25. Thank you.

I thought highly of Floyd Patterson.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. Good zinger, H2O Man! :-)

[H2O Man]

18. There is a thread

on the sports forum where I discuss Floyd's career, and the pleasure I had in getting to know Floyd Patterson. He was a good man. He supported Martin. He used to like to go south, where black folk were getting their heads busted for taking part in the civil rights movement. Floyd enjoyed walking up to the drinking fountains marked "whites only" and "colored." He would drink out of both of them, and then say, "Hmmm, they taste the same to me." None of the KKKlansmen, no matter if they had their blue daytime or white nighttime uniforms on, tried to knock Floyd around.

Rest in peace, Champ.

[goclark]

19. He sure does deserve our respect

and I sure would like to give a Floyd Patterson :spank: to anyone that sees otherwise.

May he RIP!

A life well lived.

[H2O Man]

20. Right.

"Many people know Patterson's background. A product of the Brooklyn ghetto. One of many children in the family. No clothes of his own to wear. A ludicrous figure in outsized garments of his father's. Overly sensitive, overly shy as a result, he turned ever inward and found a nest, a hole in the subway where he would sit, alone, afraid, watching trains go by. Little wonder he became a disturbed child.

"He wound up in the Wiltwyck School, then located in Aesopus, New York, a school for disturbed children. Oddly, at about the time that Floyd was there, a documentary film was made about the school. The film was mainly about one introverted black youngster. It was called The Quiet One. It could have been named after Floyd Patterson.

"At the Witwyck School, Floyd discovered the countryside. He fell in love with it for the rest of his life. He loves quiet, he loves peace, he loves to walk alone, to hear birds, to pick up a twig, to throw a stick in the air, to watch the ripples in the stream when he tosses a rock in. .... How odd that one with such a background should wind up in a profession of violence ... But strangely, in apparent contradiction of his whole personality, Floyd Patterson di."

--"Cosell"; Howard Cosell; 1973; pages 163-4

[BlooInBloo]

26. I'm on Ali's side - Patterson gets little respect from me...

... He was the one who refused to called Ali by his name (which was a symbolic huge thing, tied up with civil rights & all), if I'm not mistaken, leading directly to an even bigger can of whoop-ass from Ali than he might otherwise have gotten.

Unless Patterson apologized for that kinda crap, he gets no respect from me beyond simply being a human being.

"What's my name? Is my name Clay? What's my name fool?!?"

Rock on Ali.

[H2O Man]

30. Point of fact:

Ali disliked Floyd in 1965. That was 40 years ago. As Ali fans should know, Muhammad and Floyd became friends in the early 1970s, and remained on good terms.

[BlooInBloo]

35. If Patterson apologized at some point....

... Then it's all good for me.

But an apology is, for me, necessary get any substantial respect out of me towards Patterson. Ali's a bigger man than me - he could very well have buried the hatchet w/o an apology (I don't know either way). I'm not so magnanimous as that.

And you frame the issue misleadingly. It's not that "Ali disliked Floyd" - Patterson was a complete jackass, HENCE Ali disliked him.

[H2O Man]

37. Nope.

You own the mislable. You, and you alone on the Ali part.

[BlooInBloo]

44. Me and Zirin at least - I'm satisfied with that company.

[H2O Man]

49. Wow.

Company that hasn't figured out that things have changed since 1965.

[BlooInBloo]

53. LOL! (shrug) I guess we disagree...

Though I still fail to see why disagreement on the grounds I've mentioned makes me either ignorant or an asshole (your original conclusion). Seems to me that we both agree on "the bald facts of the matter", and end up with a differing value assessment. We agree on what mushrooms taste like, but you like them, and I don't, as it were.

But cheers anyhoo!

[H2O Man]

55. You stated

"I'm on Ali's side." Clearly, you are not. Perhaps too many mushrooms ....

[BlooInBloo]

58. Do you think for a second that if Ali had it to do all over again....

... he would've done any differently? (the whole "what's my name?!?", punishing Patterson for being a jackass, etc.)

Me neither. I get the feeling you're willfully misunderstanding what is intended by my saying "I'm on Ali's side".

That meant: I'm on Ali's side on that pivotal issue leading up to their fight, and the time period was part of it. And I think it was clear that my statement meant that.

There may be other stuff, in other time periods that I don't agree with Ali on.

I'm just wondering which one I am: ignorant or asshole... LOL!

[BlooInBloo]

31. Third possibility: or else is on Ali's side....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1158509#1160201

[H2O Man]

33. Nope.

That is simply not possible. Muhammad and Floyd became good friends. No one who says such ugly things is "on Ali's side."

[RagAss]

43. I met Floyd at an AAU tournament that I fought in back in '75

The most gentle human being you can imagine. He spent 10 minutes with me right there in the bustle of the dressing room showing me how to jab while protecting your chin at the same time....I must have said "Thanks Champ" 30 times in those 10 minutes......

Rest in Peace Champ....

[CatWoman]

32. you GO, boy!!!!!

:rofl:

:applause:

[Name removed]

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[WobbliesUnite]

28. Your post could be interpreted as a death threat by the FBI

I would be careful with that my friend

[long_green]

29. If you're going to be thin skinned don't post things like your title post

I don't know who you need to apologize to soonest: Floyd Patterson's friends and family, this board, or the I.W.W.

[WobbliesUnite]

34. I don't care about it, what I am saying is

that the FBI and their ilk take these things very seriously. I speak from close at hand experience.

Remember, do not ever say anything to any law enforcement personnel. You have nothing to gain.

[Me.]

36. As You Are New Here

are you clued into what that tombstone signifies?

*shadow government*

[WobbliesUnite]

39. Yes, I have figured that out

BUT the FBI does not look for the most innocent explanation of something. They assume malice.

EVERYTHING posted on this website crosses state lines and is under federal jurisdiction.

[WilliamPitt]

40. Does telling you to eat shit and die

constitute a threat?

Just curious.

[H2O Man]

42. !

[CatWoman]

46. ROFL

This thread is a fucking HOOT

:rofl:

[WobbliesUnite]

47. Wow.

You can spell shit. Impressive

[WobbliesUnite]

48. Please, continue

You seem of average intelligence. Continue

[incapsulated]

56. I'll do it.

Why should he have all the fun?

Your boy is at 31% and has to suck Cheney's dick to get permission to speak.

That's when he isn't taking it from behind by Condi with a strap-on.

[incapsulated]

50. I consider it a helpful suggestion

To Mr. Wobblies.

[WobbliesUnite]

52. I think you meant to reply to MRPibb

[incapsulated]

38. Uh, uh.

Do a search on our new friend.

I report, you decide.

Oh, and read the tombstone, if you are capable.

:hi:

[CatWoman]

41. bwahahahaha

hint: GD Politics :D

[WobbliesUnite]

45. Do a search on who?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. Your mom.

She's over at my house if anybody's still looking.

[Name removed]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Your sister's over her too.

But I repeat myself.

[long_green]

27. Who died and made you Sonny Liston?

Not crazy about your subject line.
Rest in peace, champ.

[pinto]

59. Locking

This is a flame fest.