Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

[Octafish]

The truth be known, George Walker Bush is most un-American.

Bush, the public front for the Bush Family Evil Empire, supports the goals of the NAZIs in word and deed.



Don’t believe me? No problem. Let facts speak for themselves:


Bush Steals Elections. Like the NAZIs.

Newspaper studies confirm Democrat Gore won Florida vote

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/flor-f05.shtml

A Corrupted Election

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970

Did the NSA help Bush hack the vote?

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2006/1294



Bush Let Down America's Guard, Enabling the "New Pearl Harbor." Like the NAZIs.

They Knew...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/

A Second Pearl Harbor?

http://www.hermes-press.com/pearlharbor.htm



Bush Looted the national Treasury. Like the NAZIs.

$1 trillion missing -- Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The Family that Preys Together

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Bush_Family_Preys_Together.html



Bush Enriched Connected Friends. Like the NAZIs.

Bush Family Value$

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

Bush Family Values Photo Album

http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html



Bush Lied to Make a Case for War. Like the NAZIs.

Chief US inspector admits Iraq had no WMD stockpiles

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/iraq-j28.shtml

Bush knew. And terrorists flew.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3691306&mesg_id=3696940&page=



Bush Attacked an Innocent Nation. Like the NAZIs.

CIA Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_iraq

Iraq had no WMD: the final verdict

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1307529,00.html




Bush Tortures Prisoners, Even Children. Like the NAZIs.

Iraq's Child Prisoners

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11488.htm

Questions Not Asked: Torturing People's Children, War Powers, Geneva Conventions

http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=1204



Bush Spies on His Own People. Like the NAZIs.

J. Edgar Hoover With Supercomputers

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20060105/j_edgar_hoover_with_supercomputers.php

“Millions” of American’s Phone Calls Tapped by NSA

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2006/01/abcs_scoop_mill.html



So. Which NAZI has come closer to destroying America? The 20th Century NAZIs or the Crazy Monkey?

Like the gangster in on a fixed trifecta, my money’s on Bush.



PS: My new year’s resolution is to keep things simple. So, please excuse my directness.

PPS: More importantly: Please discuss and add your own examples. Both facts and opinions are welcome.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

1. omg - thanks - I REALLY needed that. It just seems so futile sometimes

Shit, I thought he was a goner when there were no weapons. But it seems like every time he does something even worse he doesn't pay...

[Octafish]

23. We got the most powerful weapon on our side -- better than nukes.

The TRUTH.

[AntiFascist]

2. He has the support of the Catholic church....

just like you know who.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. who?

[flordehinojos]

4. do you mean ALITO, Antonin Scalia, or Rick Santorum?

Maybe all three--and why not the TWEETY MON too?

anyhow, whoever the WHO is, it must be a right wing freeper catholic guy.

[AntiFascist]

10. hehe, no I was referring to...

Hitler. I've just revisited a very interesting web page that describes the history of P2, teutonic masonry, and the key players of the 3rd Reich and, basically, how crazy they all were. I would link to it, but the site itself seems to be pro-Islamic and I'm not sure its kosher.

[flordehinojos]

49. o God, i should've known. i guess i was just, as they say, in the moment.

:)

[MADem]

7. Well, if Alito makes it through, the Supremes will have a Catholic

majority. Who ever thought THAT day would come???

[Octafish]

45. How many are members of the Federalist Society?

Are they all Opus Dei, as well?

[ananda]

61. Pseudo-Catholics you mean...

I was raised Catholic, and that meant truly caring about the poor and oppressed.

We were raised to respect minorities and fight for the rights of all.

Scalia doesn't do that. Alito, if confirmed, will never do that.

Catholic my eye!

Sue

[dbeach]

127. alito is a protofascist like mussolinni

pseudo catholics and pseudo christians worshipping the false gods of money,power and war

da ain't what I learnt in 13 yrs of Catholic schools
they deserve the place that many think is a fanatsy
and Dante said the hottest places are reserved for TRAITORS.

[Octafish]

25. Hey, Neil! Can you spare a billion?

From Jeffrey St. Clair:

Hey, Brother, Can You Spare a Million?

How Neil Bush Succeeded in Business Without Really Trying

By JEFFREY ST. CLAIR

Now, that ain't workin'
That's the way you do it
Get money for nothin'
And your chicks for free.

Dire Straits, Money for Nothing

His mother still calls him Neilsie. He refers to his dad, the former president, as Gampy. Neil Bush may be the black sheep of the Bush family, but his relatives have never let him down. Whenever he's been mired in financial, legal or marital imbroglios, someone in the Bush family entourage has always reached out a helping hand and often that hand has slipped Neil a fat check.

Neil Bush, the fourth child of George and Barbara, was long thought to be the rising star of the family. He had the looks, the convivial demeanor, middle-of-the-road politics and, despite suffering from a severe case of dyslexia that made him the laughing stock of St. Albans, the stuffy DC prep school that groomed Al Gore, the brainpower. At least he seemed brighter than Jeb or George Jr. And, most important of all, he was the favorite son of Barbara Bush, the Agrippina of American politics.

All those lofty political aspirations came to a fatal crash in the fall of 1988, at the precise moment his father was poised to ascend to the presidency, when the Silverado Savings and Loan went belly up with Neil in the driver's seat.

In these days of multi-billion dollar financial crimes by the likes of Enron, Tyco and WorldCom, the failure of a relatively small Colorado thrift may not seem like much. But Silverado came to symbolize the entire savings and loan debacle, which ended up costing the government more than $150 billion in bail out money. Many of these companies exploited the newly deregulated financial markets to lavish unsecured loans to company insiders or political favorites and rewarded company officers and directors with ostentatious salaries and benefits. When the thrifts collapsed, the directors and executives walked away unscathed, while small investors and account-holders were left out in the cold. Appropriately, the looting of the savings and loans hit Texas harder than most other states.

At the time, Neil Bush claimed that he was being made a political scapegoat for Silverado's troubles. He said he was only a bit player in the S&L with no real decision making power, a figurehead and little more. Of course, there was some truth to this. But Neil Bush was not an entirely passive director. Indeed, he used his position as director to steer unsecured loans to his business partners, including at least one project, a scheme to drill for oil in Argentina, in which he had a direct financial stake.

CONTINUED...

http://counterpunch.org/stclair04032004.html

Desperado Neil.

[Catrina]

95. Since the Pope represents the Catholic Church, this is not true

Pope John Paul was openly opposed to the War in Iraq.

Bush used the abortion issue to con Catholics into voting for him, if that's what you mean. Still, about 50% of the Catholic vote went to Kerry.

[AntiFascist]

111. I didn't intend for my snarky remark to be divisive...

I believe it is true that Hitler had the support of high-level Catholics, but we should not condemn Catholics if they maintain their opposition to this war. Still, I'm sure there are plenty of Opus Dei members who have their own agenda.

[Catrina]

114. That's okay ~ :-)

Like most people, Catholics were divided about this war ~ I was hoping they would listen to Pope John Paul, but I remember when Bush went to see him, the press here just showed them together. They did not report on what the Pope said to Bush about the war. That's all he wanted, a picture of himself with the pope, and many Catholics assumed the Pope supported him. Actually he admonished Bush strongly over the war.

[malaise]

122. I also grew up catholic

and while it is true that one visible aspect of the religion is caring for the poor, check it's role in the politics of Central and Latin America or the Phillipines. With the exception of that period of Liberation Theology (which John Paul opposed vigorously) the church has always sided with right wing governments and rich land owners.

Put simply, the said church is one of the richest land owners on the planet and as far as I can remember, the oldest multinational corporation. The church's role in the anhilation of millions of indigenous people in my part of the world is well known so spare me their caring for the poor bit please.

Thankfully I have been able to separate the church's form from its real content.

[unblock]

5. nazi: loyal support among a strong minority, to hell with the rest of 'em

that right there should be a pretty good indication that something's foul.

when was the last time a u.s. president really had such a to-hell-with-the-opposition attitude.
ok, naziism has its own peculiarities, maybe fascism is a better term.

but democracy it sure ain't,
and american it sure as hell ain't.

[Octafish]

27. A small minority. With a LOT of money.

A LOOT of money, really, seeing how they aquired it...

“Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents

By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.

SNIP...

Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.

At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.

Denial and Deceit

While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

I wonder if J Edgar Hoover knew about Harriman, Bush and Adolf.

To some, that's a real elite, there.

[joeunderdog]

72. Bush Family Value$

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

[G_j]

6. the big diffrence between the BFFE/ neo-cons & the Nazis

the Nazi leaders wore uniforms..


great post Octafish!
thanks!

[seemslikeadream]

11. "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer, ein Volk"

One People, one Empire, one Leader, one People



One Hope, One people, One country, One leader.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny.

Stand up be brave my people we're here to stay, for a thousand years.
An oath you've spoken, can never be broken, you'll pay, in blood and tears
Never tire, never doubt, never falter, never slacken, Just believe in me.
Stand up, shout loud, stand proud, in what we will we will achieve.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

It's not enough just to say you love your country, its not enough.
It's not enough to get down on your knees and pray, it's just not enough.

The price is high, the price you have to pay is your freedom, surrender yourselves.
Mothers send me your blue-eyed blonde-haired boys and let me see them, blue-eyed blonde-haired boys.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

[DrDebug]

22. All great minds think a like

"Every nation has a choice to make. In this conflict, there is no neutral ground."
- George W. Bush, Sunday, Oct. 7, 2001.

"These events have divided the world into two camps, the camp of the faithful and the camp of the infidel."
- Osama bin Laden, Sunday, Oct. 7, 2001.

Chris Floyd, The Moscow Times, Oct. 12, 2001

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/10/12/107.html

[Octafish]

39. "Do people challenge the accuracy of what you present?"

And evil minds think alike, too.

What the pretzeldunce said at Auschwitz:

The Visit of President (sic) George W. Bush

to Krakow, Poland - May 2003

EXCERPT...

The President would say things such as "Powerful." I just wrote down as I listened to him -- "powerful." When he saw the suitcases, he said, "So sad." And then at one point when he went by another display where there were teeny little shoes, the President looked at it and said, "All the little baby shoes." He told the guide, "You've done a good job recording history."

The President talked about the current context of it, how many people come each year. He asked, where do they come from. He asked, "Do people challenge the accuracy of what you present?" And one cell --

Q: And what did the guide say?

MR. FLEISCHER: She explained where people come from. They come from all over, she said. A lot come from Poland, from the United States, from Israel, from Germany.

Q: Did she answer his question, do people challenge --

MR. FLEISCHER: I didn't get it. If she did, I don't remember, I didn't write it down.

CONTINUED ...

http://www.usinfo.pl/bushvisit2003/ari.htm

After seeing the most horrible things imaginable, the evil turd observed:

"History is a reminder of what's possible."

[DrDebug]

52. A reminder for whom Auschwitz was build

Of course the guide didn't mention that part in detail. She should have said "Here is where the gold from the people was gathered so it is could be melted and sent to Prescott Bush, your grandfather", but I guess that most of that story is known already. If not -> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm or even better http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush-Hitler.html

Let's focus on one of those companies at Auschwitz. Consolidated Silesian Steel Company.

The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war.

Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".

Jan Lissmann, one of the lawyers for the survivors, said: "President Bush withdrew President Bill Clinton's signature from the treaty not only to protect Americans, but also to protect himself and his family."

Lissmann argues that genocide-related cases are covered by international law, which does hold governments accountable for their actions. He claims the ruling was invalid as no hearing took place.

(...)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

[foo_bar]

169. I can't see Hitler wearing those gloves

I'm not saying Adolf liked khaki, but zebra stripes would have undermined the whole "purity" thang. The hatchet wielding pose is also distinctly un-Fuhrerlike, albeit reminiscent of propaganda from the era:

[SushiFan]

13. 1 more diff --- GWB's a FAR BETTER Liar than Hitler was! --nt

[happydreams]

20. And GWB got a college education. But

it was probably stolen, like everything else.

[Octafish]

33. Bush also was raised in a gangster home.

Der Schicklegrüber was underpriviledged that way.

THE BUSH FAMILY LINKS TO HALLIBURTON, ROOT & BROWN AND PERMINDEX.

Researchers of the JFK assassination have tried since 1963 to determine if George H.W. Bush had any intelligence role in November 19(6)3. 

Efforts to conclusively prove that George H. W. Bush was a CIA agent at that time have been futile. Efforts to conclusively prove that he was directly involved with the Cuban exiles have also been futile. This is so, despite the close proximity of the Zapata oil platform to Cuba and the naming of boats for the Bay of Pigs invasion, notably the "Barbara."  However, the financial and corporate structures which have financed George H.W. Bush and now his son, can be conclusively proven by documents.  

The following article by Linda Minor is an analysis of these financial and corporate roots of the Bush family political and financial fortune.  Note how these roots lead to the Harrimans, British Intelligence (right-wing variety) and to Halliburton and Brown and Root, thus to PERMINDEX. 

CONTINUED...

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/bronfmanbush.html

The crazy monkey was overpriviledged that way.

And thanks to that, we live in gangster times.

[Octafish]

28. Bush likes to play dress-up.

Go ahead. Build a better psycho:

http://www.2atoms.com/comedy/build-a-better-bush.htm

[Ian David]

8. I'm kicking and recommending it, you freedom-hating rejectionist n/t

[Octafish]

29. Bush in denial over global warming.

For some reason, this subject makes my office freepers really, really mad.

It's fun to bring it up.

Bush in denial over global warming

By Damien Enright

GEORGE BUSH is like the penguin sitting on the iceberg and saying “Global warming, my ass!”

All around him the ice caps are melting but he'd prefer not to believe it. He didn't believe flooding in New Orleans either. All my friends in America are ashamed of him and the harm he has done to the world and to America. They apologise for him. I feel sorry for them.
About global warming, I recently read in the London Times the following sentence: "As sea ice is already floating, it does not raise global sea levels when it melts."

When my wife and I got to talking and thinking about this, we decided, yes, that must be right. Otherwise, the Bacardi and coke into which ice cubes are copiously shovelled would surely spill over the edge of the glass.

Neither of us being scientists, in order to reassure ourselves that we weren't losing the plot, I took some ice cubes from the fridge, dropped them into a glass of water and marked the level of the water in the glass. When the cubes had melted, the water was the same level. Eureka!, as Archimedes said, when water slopped over the side of his bath. Hooray for kitchen-sink experiments; there was no need for it, I know, but there's nothing as convincing as the evidence of one's own eyes.

However, what about if we put a huge iceberg in a pond, and it melts, surely the pond will overflow. What was the missing element in our logic? Was it the ice above water, not the ice below? Seven-eighths of an iceberg is below the surface, and that seven-eighths should displace the same volume as it would in liquid form. But what about the one-eighth above? And what about the ice on land, on the Arctic islands, the Antarctic mountains and the permafrost within the Arctic Circle? Surely, that ice, freed as water, would swell the seas and raise the levels of the oceans? The answer is, it would. And the Texas penguin and the Enron Oil-supported scientists who rubbish global warming know it too.

CONTINUED...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/Outdoors/Full_Story/did-sgLCw52mak1josgdL11Zs5FWAE.asp

[Ian David]

9. The Nazis twisted science to fit their political agenda. So does Bush

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?isbn=0465046754

Introduction

The Republican War on Science has its immediate origins in the summer of 2003, when I received a tip to start looking into reports about the stacking of scientific advisory committees by the Bush administration. As a writer who'd been covering issues at the intersection of science and politics for some time, it was a natural topic for me. I started poking around.

In a sense, though, the book's origins stretch back much further, to a time when I first realized, thanks to my biologist grandfather, that forces existed in American society that were at war with science, and especially the theory of evolution. I think I had the inkling even then that science—this invaluable institution and, more importantly, way of knowing—stood in need of defending.

With this background, I dove into the project, blogging and reporting by day, writing and caffeinating by night. I conducted scores of interviews. I consumed well over a hundred chais at Tryst coffee house in Washington, D.C.'s Adams Morgan neighborhood.

Before too long, the big picture had emerged. With the ascent of the modern conservative movement and its political domination of the Republican Party, two powerful forces had fused. On issues ranging from the health risks of smoking to global climate change, the GOP had consistently humored private industry's attempts to undermine science so as to stave off unwelcome government regulation. Meanwhile, on issues ranging from evolution to embryonic stem cell research, the party had also propped up the Christian right's attacks on science in the service of moral and ideological objectives.

In short, the GOP had unleashed a perfect storm of science politicization and abuse, in the process precipitating a full-fledged crisis over the role of scientific information in political decision-making. Yet this insidious threat—to public health and the environment, but also to good governance, sound leadership, and ultimately knowledge itself—remained obscure to most Americans, veiled by the intricacies of the government regulatory process and the complexities of scientific disputation.

I wanted to tell the full story of how science became a political football in modern American life. And I wanted to make clear the dangerous threat this development poses—to science, to our political system, and even to the Republican Party itself.

Out of this process, with a lot of help from a lot of people, came The Republican War on Science. I think my grandfather would have appreciated the result. I hope that you will, too.

More:
http://www.waronscience.com/introduction.php

Buy it on Powell's:
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?isbn=0465046754

[Octafish]

30. How BFEE and NAZIs apply science...

Members of the BFEE, like the NAZIs of old, believe themselves to be the Master Race. Here's some history on how they got "that way."

BTW: The author is an award-winning New York Times investigative reporter.

Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

by Edwin Black
Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.
But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little-known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles Goethe, as well as members of the California state Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

CONTINUED...

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/www.sfgate.com/index.html

Neat people, wot.

Very very. Upper upper.

[Ian David]

34. On the plus side, without Nazis, would wouldn't have Stargate: Atlantis

Thule, Atlantis, Nazi Germany and Ancient Cultures
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewcolumn.php?id=9

The New Atlantis - The Legacy of Nazi Medicine - Naomi Schaefer
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/5/schaefer.htm

[SushiFan]

12. K + Frippin R ! If I could recommend twice, I would! GREAT post nt

[Octafish]

47. NAZI connection to JFK assassination

First they had to find common ground...

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy

by Mae Brussell

EXCERPT...

"Sir" Charles Willoughby -- a Franco-German-American

He was a bull of a man who spoke with a German accent, wore a custom-tailored general's uniform and affected a monocle. A fellow officer in the U.S. army under his true name of Adolph Charles Weidenbach, born in Heidelberg, March 8, 1892. But by the time he became Douglas MacArthur's chief of intelligence for the war in the Pacific, he was Major General Charles A. Willoughby. Behind his back he was derisively tagged "Sir Charles."

For a man of such Teutonic traits it was odd that Willoughby preferred his fascism with a Spanish accent. But this was an accident of geography. While serving as a military attache in Ecuador, he had received a decoration from Mussolini's government -- the Order of Saints Maurizio and Lazzaro. After delivering an impassioned paean to Spanish dictator Generalissimo Francisco Franco at a lunch in Madrid, he was toasted by the secretary general of the Falangist Party, "I am happy to know a fellow Falangist and reactionary.

MacArthur's pre-war headquarters were in the Philippines, whose commerce was dominated by resident Spaniards. The Daddy Warbucks of this crowd was Andres Soriano, who owned an early-day conglomerate of airlines, mines, breweries ("Of course!") and American distributorships. During the Spanish Civil War Soriano was one of Franco's principal money-bags. When the Rising Sun flag was raised over the Philippines Soriano fled to Washington to become finance minister of the government-in-exile. But there was such a fuss over his fascist reputation that he flew off to Australia to become a colonel on MacArthur’s staff.

Willoughby accompanied the Supreme Commander to Tokyo for the occupation of Japan. His preferences remained the same; when military police shook down his hotel looking for a fugitive, they found Willoughby at dinner with the stranded Italian fascist ambassador to Japan and members of his staff. He became a heavy-handed censor, suppressing unfavorable news to the States. He delighted in falsely labeling correspondents who defied him as "Communists," a tactic Senator McCarthy would adopt with enthusiasm. But the general's priority project was a dressed-up history of the Pacific War in which MacArthur would be the towering hero. Willoughby brought in Japanese military brass for a view from the enemy side, a move that may have had an ulterior motive. The possibility existed that Willoughby was down-playing Japanese war crimes so that the perpetrators could be protected for use against the Soviets later. This was happening in Germany where the top nazis were writing the history of Malmedy. The tight security in which Willoughby wrapped the project only adds to this impression. One woman had a passkey, the wife of Dr. Mitsutaro Araki, a former exchange lecturer in Germany, who was closely tied in with high nazis in Tokyo and the Tojo clique.

Willoughby harbored another secret that only came to light last year. During the war, the Japanese conducted germ warfare experiments with human beings as guinea pigs (at least 3,000 died, including an undetermined number of captured U.S. military). The Pentagon decided that the biological research might prove handy against the Russians, and the Japanese responsible for the experiments were granted immunity from prosecution in return for their laboratory records. On December 12, 1947 the Pentagon acknowledged the "wholehearted cooperation" of Willoughby in arranging the examination of the "human pathological material which had been transferred to Japan from the biological warfare installations."

As his final public gesture to Franco, Willoughby lobbied the U.S. Congress in August, 1952 to authorize $100 million for the anti-Communist dictator's needs. Then he settled down in the U.S. to do battle with the domestic enemy. As Sir Charles and his right-wing allies saw it, Marxism wasn't the real enemy, the Liberals were.

CONTINUED...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

Why all this matters. These Reich-wing turdballs positioned a certain, young fellah to be in Dallas at the same time as President Kennedy.

FBI said Poppy Bush warned them about a possible attempt on JFK's an hour AFTER the President's assassination.



A week later, J Edgar Hoover wrote a memo detailing discussions about the ant- and pro- Castro Cuban communities in Miami:



SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

One name has benefitted the most in terms of political and economic power since November 22, 1963: BUSH.

[SushiFan]

48. Jeezus-that is almost unfathomable! But I don't doubt the veracity -nt

[leftchick]

14. I will add my computer wallpaper

It has been there for three fucking years already! I was hoping to take it down last November.

:(

[Octafish]

56. Now THERE's a message for the Freeway Blogger.

Truth!

FBI and CIA Protected Nazis After World War II
Book details how US shielded ex-Nazis
US Said to Embrace Alleged Nazi Allies

Shocking!

Well no, not that shocking. "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" came out back in 1976, or at least that's when Professor Sutton penned his preface to it. Even in last October's New Hampshire Gazette1 the details of what Sutton had reported were still being treated as new details. To be fair, those articles did contain new documentation that was recently made available by the National Security State to We The People.

Over the past week, the 'news' that the FBI overlooked OSS and later CIA involvement in harboring if not outright recruiting former Nazis broke, sort of. Every mainstream report has not failed to mention that the book, "US Intelligence and the Nazis" summarizes nearly 240,000 pages of recently declassified FBI pages. MSNBC2 and CBS3 carried the AP's report on the 13th...but the National Archives and Records Administration's press release for the book was on the 6th.4 The Washington Post had to wait a day, they reported the story on the 14th.5 It's like a forced admission of chronic wrongdoing for the Post's dear heroes, the established elite of America.

There were other things going on in the world to catch the attention of those that claim to report news yet are dependent on being entertaining or unthreatening for advertising money. Well deserved things, too, like when Congressional hearings are held over a US military and intelligence system which allowed and provided for horrific torture of enemy prisoners of war.

These violations were so grave, that Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was forced to admit that if they were done to a US soldier, it would sound to him "like a violation of the Geneva Convention."6 Let's make sure we all heard that correctly. The Pentagon is telling us that the techniques they approved for use on Iraqis are the same techniques that, if used on an American soldier, would make us spit all over ourselves and scream bloody murder.

Because they'd be war crimes, quite simply. We'd want the world to get the leaders who told those Iraqis they could get our boys naked and force them to imitate Skull and Bones initiation ceremonies7 with each other.

CONTINUED...

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

Build a Better Bush:

http://www.2atoms.com/comedy/build-a-better-bush.htm

EDIT: Fixed link

[Cleita]

15. Neville Chamberlain, the British PM, allowed Hitler to

invade neighboring nations making them part of Germany. Britsh PM Tony Blair aided Bush in invading Iraq, and in covering up the hokey evidence.

[Octafish]

57. Proof Bush Deceived America

Bush lied America into war.
Sooner or later, the press corpse will cover their story.
Not out of a sense of duty, but to cover their asses.

Proof Bush Deceived America

Ray McGovern
January 13, 2006

James Risen’s State of War: the Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, may hold bigger secrets than the disclosure that President George W. Bush authorized warrantless eavesdropping on Americans.

Risen’s book also confirms the most damning element of the British Cabinet Office memos popularly called the “Downing Street memos;” namely, that “the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy.” The result is that it is no longer credible to maintain that the failures in the Iraqi intelligence were the product of a broken intelligence community. The Bush administration deliberately fabricated the case against Iraq, lying to Congress and the American people along the way.

Risen, a senior reporter for The New York Times, reports that British Prime Minister Tony Blair had an urgent need in the summer of 2002 to get the equivalent of a “second opinion” regarding Bush’s plans for war in Iraq—insight independent of his own telephone conversations with the president and independent of what Blair was hearing from his own foreign office.

During his April 2002 visit to Crawford, Blair had gone out on a limb in pledging to support war on Iraq. The following months saw him getting nervous. So he chose what intelligence parlance calls a “back channel,” and sent the chief of British intelligence, Richard Dearlove, to Washington to sound out his counterpart: the garrulous CIA director George Tenet, who he knew to be very close to the president.

The highly revealing Downing Street memo contained the minutes of Dearlove's briefing of Blair and his top advisers upon his return from Washington on July 23. But what the memo left unanswered was the question of who gave Dearlove the confidence to say this to his prime minister:

Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20060113/proof_bush_deceived_america.php

Mass murder will out.

[Swamp Rat]

16. Stoß und empfohlen.

:D

[Octafish]

58. Vielen dank, mein Freund. A series of unfortunate miscreants...

Know your BFEE Log


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455



JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438

[Swamp Rat]

91. Drücken

:thumbsup:

[Octafish]

107. Neo-Fascism and the Religious Right (1995 article)

From 11 years ago, a voice from the wilderness...

Neo-fascism and the religious right

John M. Swomley

After the collapse of the Soviet Union's communist system, most Americans breathed a sigh of relief that the danger of totalitarianism had largely passed. There was a similar relief when fascism of both the German and Italian varieties was defeated during World War II.

However, few Americans ever examined the roots of fascism or its implications as they did communism. The reason is that communism by its very existence was an alternative to capitalism, and the business and news interests that determine the nature of American politics and economics have steadily proclaimed the danger and disadvantages of communism.

While there is no immediate danger of a fascist movement taking control of the United States, it is well to examine the characteristics of European fascism and note any parallels in the United States.

Fascism, in other words, is not an unforeseen coup or sudden act by a militant force in society. Acceptance of it can be cultivated by gradual accommodation.

SNIP...

A third characteristic is monopoly capitalism protected by the state and interconnected with the government. This is evident in the United States in the military-industrial complex (which President Eisenhower warned about) by which the political, strategic, and economic interests of the huge arms industry, the civilian and military employees of the Pentagon, the intellectuals in scientific laboratories and universities, and journalists close to the CIA and Pentagon operate. Seymour Melman, professor of industrial engineering at Columbia University, pointed out that 120,000 Pentagon employees supervise and control an industrial complex of 35,000 industrial firms plus over 100,000 subcontractors employing 3.25 million Americans in military-serving industry. Furthermore, since 1951, the yearly fresh finance capital funds budgeted for the Pentagon have exceeded the combined net profits of all U.S. corporations. The lobbying influence of these corporations and those in the Pentagon who want to mintain a buge war machine have triumphed in the post--Cold War era over those who want to cut the military budget.

SNIP...

The first result of this monopoly-capitalist military and government alliance is the scuttling of any efforts to reduce and limit arms worldwide except for nations that are insufficiently deferential to U.S. interests. They become outlaw nations under pressure to reduce their armies or are threatened with attack.

CONTINUED...

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n1_v55/ai_16399959

Gee. Who does that remind us of?



Sie sind nicht uebermenschen.

[Swamp Rat]

110. Frank Zappa on CNN 20 years ago.

QT link:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/zappa_crossfire_1986.mov

Source page:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2658805?htv=12&htv=12

[DS1]

17. If Bush is a nazi, why is he selling tons of arms to Israel and helping

them defend their country. And why is he threatening Iran instead of letting them annihilate Israel?

[happydreams]

21. One word:

Zionism.

Religion is an opiate used by these fascisti to dumb-down the populace.

[Ian David]

35. Not Zionism. Apocalyptic Christian Fundamentalism

In order for Jesus to come back, Israel needs to be destroyed and all the Jews with it.


Pat Robertson, Elliott Abrams, Sharon, and Bush
By Matthew Rothschild
January 6, 2006

Leave it to Pat Robertson to ascertain God’s will yet again, this time in regards to the stroke that befell Sharon.

The televangelist detected the hand of God Almighty, saying that Sharon had crossed the Creator’s wishes by giving Gaza back to the Palestinians.

“He was dividing God’s land,” Robertson said on his 700 Club TV show, adding: “I would say, ‘Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations, or the United States of America.”

Many people chalked up this latest Robertson rant as just another indication that the guy’s not all there.

And while I’m certainly prepared to believe that, there’s more to this story.

Robertson was merely espousing in his typical clumsy style what a lot of rightwing fundamentalists believe: And that is that the existence of the state of Israel foretells the End Times, the coming of the Apocalypse, when Jesus will return and when everyone will either have to convert to Christianity or die.

And Bush, whether he believes this or not, takes that constituency seriously.

Like Robertson, many rightwing fundamentalists were outraged in 2004 that the Bush Administration was urging Sharon to leave Gaza and make peace with the Palestinians. Ever concerned with his base, Bush had neocon ex-felon Elliott Abrams meet with them on March 25, 2004, according to the Village Voice.

Abrams was Bush’s National Security Council director for Near East and North African Affairs.

According to the Voice, Abrams sat down with leaders of the Apostolic Congress to massage “their theological concerns.” They said that “all of old Testament Israel belongs to the Jews,” and “until Israel is intact and Solomon’s temple rebuilt, they believe, Christ won’t come back to Earth.”

Abrams, who himself will have to convert or die if the Apocalypse arrives any time soon, tried to persuade them that Gaza “had no significant” biblical importance.

This is the company that the White House keeps.

It’s not Robertson I worry about. It’s Bush.

More:
http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx010606

[FreedomAngel82]

38. I think the religion aspect

is just a cover for support to take over the land personally. If they are controlling the region they can get all the oil they want and have so many pipelines.

[Ian David]

42. No, Bush and Robertson seriously want to destroy the world

The money and oil is just a cover to get the greedy to go along with their plan.

[Ian David]

36. Almost forgot. Welcome to my ignore list. Enjoy your stay on DU. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

40. The public is much dumbdowned than we have been

And in it's place guess what's there? Religion. It's not an insult. I'm a Christian myself and have seen this before. People like one answers and they didn't like Kerry because they "couldn't understand him" or whatever but they like Bush because he claims to be a Christian even though he really doesn't follow anything Jesus said and he has support of conservative so-called Christian groups to back him up for support. I remember one time someone here on DU did a post and showed how all the religious conservative groups were tied to the GOP. The Bush supporters also claim he's simple and just like them even though he's filthy rich and has never been like them in all his life.

[Ian David]

41. My objection is to people whose response is always, "blame the Jews" n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Sometime if you can

go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film "The War Party." It's about the neocons and there is a part where they tell why they are so pro-Israel. It has NOTHING to do with religion by the way.

[Octafish]

44. Good question. Big answer: CHIMPAGEDDON.

What I know:

Religious nuts in the White House belive themselves to be chosen by the Lord to deal with terra an' stuff. A mighty horde of thumpering preachers tell their flocks each week that the monkey was chosen to lead the rapture. And a bunch of the bigwigs at Diebold and ES&S are Christian Reconstructionists and Christian Dominionists and all manner of psychotheocrats.

Lobbying around:

Casino Jack Abramoff made and moved lots of money in the United States and Israel and, I imagine, the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.

Bathtub Grover Norquist made and moved lots of money in the United States and the Muslim nations in the Middle East and, I imagine, the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.

What I think:

Typical BFEE operation is to play both sides off against each other and make money from selling arms to each. Consider the Iran-Iraq war.

Poppy Bush be getting blackmailed over his trips to Madrid or Paris or wherever the hell it was to discuss holding the American hostages until after the 1980 election. Word is there are photographs of Poppy on the ground with Casey, an Ayatollah or two and their go-betweens. Nice leverage that would be.

What it may mean:

Bush's intentional disregard for the situation in the Middle East, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the phony War on Terra and the illegal Iraq invasion are working to destroy the world.

[rman]

54. US sells weapons to both sides

Heck even Israel was supplying Iran as part of the Iran hostage deal (see Iran-Contra).

The simple good guy vs bad guy scenario is to be found only in the movies.

[DrDebug]

62. But they didn't know that the arms ended up in Iran

(officially that is).

It was a nice complex plan which was totally funded on drugs money where every party could claim ignorance and still arming three sides as well.

"Geo Bush, JBC -- already made deal. Israelis delivered last wk spare pts. via Amsterdam. Hostages out this wk. Moderate Arabs upset. French have given spares to Iraq and know of JC deal w/Iran. JBC unsure what we should do. RVA to act if true or not."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile7.html

Codes used:
Geo Bush = George H.W. Bush
JBC = John Connally
Spare pts / spares = Weapons
RVA = Richard Allen
JC = Jimmy Carter
JC deal = Allowing the Shah of Iran to be in the USA

[AntiFascist]

75. I think key people in the CIA knew what they were doing from the beginning

When Nixon began making progress with the Chinese some probably began to realize that "perestroika" would be the way to deal with the Soviet Union. They needed a new enemy to fight in order to bring about the New World Order (to be later defined by PNAC), so Nixon was brought down and China collaborated with the military-industrial complex to manfacture weapons for the mujahedin.

[DrDebug]

79. They knew exactly what they were doing

The Soviet Union was not that strong and it was clear that a new enemy was needed. Beside that those Russian looked tough, but it was already clear that you could talk them and make deals and more of that weak stuff. China wanted to become important and Nixon made a lot progress negotiating things, so that was a likely new partner. What was needed was a new enemy and Iran/Iraq and Afghanistan were perfect. The muslims make a lot better enemy, since they are vicious and they scream revenge when you hit them. Much better than those drunk Russians who only pinch butts and whose leaders consisted of old farts who fell asleep during meetings.

The Iran-contra setup was brilliant. Geo wanted to become the next president - sadly he lost the primaries to Ronnie, but his buddy Rockefeller made sure that Geo was nominated as vice-president (1) - and the hostage crisis was extremely unpopular. It didn't matter that it was the same elite who insisted that the Shah should be come to the US, because the people never knew that (2). So Geo could use this to his advantage.

There were a couple of problems. The first one was that the Jimmy Carter wanted to negotiate with Iran with regards to the hostages, so that needed to be stopped and one of the BFEE needed to be appointed for that role. William Casey - who later became the new CIA director - did most of the work from Paris (3), but the final talks needed to be done by somebody else and the perfect candidate was John Connally, since he was a Democrat but just like Poppy he was involved in the JFK thing (4), so he wouldn't dare to let Geo down.

One problem was convincing the Ayatollah to release the hostages, but only after the election, so set them free but still hold them for many months. That meant sending lots of weapons to Iran. The made a deal worth of $40 million (3), but they couldn't send it. So who had enough spare parts and wanted to sell them and then Israel popped up the map, however Israel couldn't send anything to Iran either, so yet another intermediate country had to be arranged who had good contacts with both countries, so the Netherlands to be the intermediate. (5) So that part of the deal was figured out ...

Then there was the problem nobody really wanted Iran to win the war with Iraq either and Iran knew that they were getting spare parts which meant that Saddam would find out sooner or later as well. Russia wasn't an option yet, since there was the Afghanistan thing, so France was designated as the new supplier for Saddam. (6)

Still one more problem had to be figured out and that was untraceable money which was not part of a budget. That's were the Contras came in, because they had lots of cocaine and wanted guns as well. (7) And Puppy and cocaine go hand in hand and he already had enough experience in that field and Junior needed to do something as well (8). A brilliant plan, since every party could deny knowing more than a little piece which might have been embarrassing, but it wouldn't lead to a big scandal, if a small piece was discovered.

Only one mistake was made. The hostages were released five minutes after Reagan won the election... That was stupid because it meant that the people started to become suspicious of what happened... (9)

Sources:
(1) http://www.tarpley.net/bush15.htm
(2) http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn09-1&Entity=TrilatComm
(3) http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zepezauer_Mark/Iran_Boomerang.html
(4) http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php/t565.html
(5) http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile7.html
(6) http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html
(7) http://www.pinknoiz.com/covert/icsummary.html
(8) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html
(9) http://www.welfarestate.com/irancontra/

[AntiFascist]

82. Wow, thanks DrDebug!

I haven't seen these links before and I'll definitely be pouring through them.

[DrDebug]

18. How to make money in a war. The First Gulf War

Did Junior know that there was going to be an war with Iraq following an invasion of Kuwait?

May 16, 1990
SECRET
Attached is a paper containing a list of options for responding to recent actions and statements by the Government of Iraq. ...We ask that you pass this paper to Robert Gates for his review.

Under "options" the memo suggested:
Ban Oil Purchases: The largest benefit Iraq receives from the US is through our oil purchases...
PRO -- A total ban on oil purchases would have some short-term impact.
CON -- Such action might also have an impact on US Oil prices.

Oil companies had learned, during the years of the long Iran-Iraq war, that trouble in the gulf hurts companies with oil interests because, for one thing, at the first sound of a rifle shot in the gulf region, Lloyds of London jacks up insurance rates on oil tankers and company installations. The "wartime" rates are very high and cut deeply into company profits and investor confidence. If things really get out of hand, pipelines are destroyed and waterways are mined.

(...) In June 1990, Junior suddenly unloaded the bulk of his Harken stock -- 212,140 shares -- for a tidy $848,560. A former business associate says that Junior's motivation was his desire to buy an expensive new house in Dallas, for which he wanted to pay cash. The June 1990 transaction was an insider stock sale, and security laws required that it be reported no later than July 10, 1990. But Junior filed no such report, at least not then.

Then, in August, Iraqi troops marched into Kuwait, and Harken shares plummeted 25 percent. Junior would have lost $212,140 if he'd waited to sell his shares until then. Still, he didn't file his SEC disclosure until seven months later, in March 1991 -- well after U.S. troops had finished fighting and the gulf war had moved off the front pages. Harken stock rebounded briefly, but quickly collapsed again.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

No, because there is no way that the US government knew that Saddam Hussein was going to invade Kuwait. Or did they know? And did they even discuss it with him?

WASHINGTON, Sept. 22 (1990) -- On July 25 (1990), President Saddam Hussein of Iraq summoned the United States Ambassador to Baghdad, April Glaspie, to his office in the last high-level contact between the two Governments before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2. Here are excerpts from a document described by Iraqi Government officials as a transcript of the meeting, which also included the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz. A copy was provided to The New York Times by ABC News, which translated from the Arabic. The State Department has declined to comment on its accuracy.

HUSSEIN: We do not want too high prices for oil. And I remind you that in 1974 I gave Tariq Aziz the idea for an article he wrote which criticized the policy of keeping oil prices high. It was the first Arab article which expressed this view.

TARIQ AZIZ: Our policy in OPEC opposes sudden jumps in oil prices.

Crude Oil Prices (...)

HUSSEIN: Twenty-five dollars a barrel is not a high price.

GLASPIE: We have many Americans who would like to see the price go above $25 because they come from oil-producing states.

HUSSEIN: The price at one stage had dropped to $12 a barrel and a reduction in the modest Iraqi budget of $6 billion to $7 billion is a disaster.

GLASPIE: I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.

(...)

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Oh wow

So it all makes sense now! I always wondered why he did that since Moore touched on that briefly in his film but never knew this part. Amazing. So all the death and destruction was for oil and money. And also apparently before Bush invaded Iraq this time around they were about to change their money to Euro's and the oil companies here couldn't have that. Go to http://www.gregpalast.com and watch his BBC Newsnight segment on Iraq's oil. It's very telling.

[Octafish]

59. That's the inside dope, DrDebug.

Thanks for bringing up how Poppy got his war.

And before the fixed Gulf War One, there was the Iran-Iraq war, which helped the global elite's bottom line.

Fueling the Iran-Iraq Slaughter

U.S. "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Hypocrisy & So Much More

by Larry Everest
September 05, 2002

If you think you've heard it all in terms of U.S. imperialist hypocrisy, lies, manipulation, and mass slaughter-wait. There's more.

Today the U.S. government is beating the drums for a preemptive war on Iraq. President Bush casually-dressed on his month-long Texas vacation, talks casually of "regime change" in Baghdad--a euphemism for a U.S. military assault that could cost tens of thousands of Iraqi lives.

The pros and cons of various battle plans--like an "inside-out" blitzkrieg on Baghdad with 50,000 to 100,000 U.S. troops and massive airstrikes-are publicly, and shamelessly, discussed in the media. And The New York Times reported (August 19) "the first tangible signs of a logistical buildup around Iraq."

No evidence has been produced that Iraq can militarily threaten the U.S., or had anything to do with September 11. Yet those ruling the U.S. empire still demand Saddam's head. Why? Because, they claim, the Hussein regime is trying to acquire "weapons of mass destruction"-- and has shown a willingness to use them. Bush officials have repeatedly cited Iraq's use of poisonous gas in the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War as proof -- and justification for an attack.

Now the Times has revealed that when Iraq's government did use chemical weapons against Iranian forces and its own Kurdish population, the U.S. government was there - aiding and abetting!

The Times ("Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas," 8/18/02) reported that, according to senior military officers with direct knowledge of the secret program, U.S. officials "provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war."

It's long been known that the U.S. gave Iraq satellite intelligence and other military support to prevent an Iranian victory. What's new in the Times story is the extent of U.S. involvement: "More than 60 officers of the Defense Intelligence Agency were secretly providing detailed information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for airstrikes and bomb-damage assessments for Iraq."

CONOTINUED...

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=2292

Then there's the big picture, which isn't at all a pretty one...

THE UNITED STATES AND THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR

STEPHEN R. SHALOM

The war between Iran and Iraq was one of the great human tragedies of recent Middle Eastern history. Perhaps as many as a million people died, many more were wounded, and millions were made refugees. The resources wasted on the war exceeded what the entire Third World spent on public health in a decade.<1>

SNIP...

THE GULF WAR

The United States did not have diplomatic relations with either belligerent in 1980 and announced its neutrality in the conflict. One typically humanitarian State Department official explained in 1983: "we don't give a damn as long as the Iran-Iraq carnage does not affect our allies in the region or alter the balance of power."<29> In fact, however, the United States was not indifferent to the war, but saw a number of positive opportunities opened up by its prolongation.

The need for arms and money would make Baghdad more dependent on the conservative Gulf states and Egypt, thereby moderating Iraq's policies and helping to repair ties between Cairo and the other Arab states. The war would make Iran -- whose weapons had all been U.S.-supplied in the past -- desperate to obtain U.S. equipment and spare parts. The exigencies of war might make both nations more willing to restore their relations with Washington. Alternatively, the dislocations of war might give the U.S. greater ability to carry out covert operations in Iran or Iraq. And turmoil in the Gulf might make other states in the area more susceptible to U.S. pressure for military cooperation.

When the war first broke out, the Soviet Union turned back its arms ships en route to Iraq, and for the next year and a half, while Iraq was on the offensive, Moscow did not provide weapons to Baghdad.<30> In March 1981, the Iraqi Communist Party, repressed by Saddam Hussein, beamed broadcasts from the Soviet Union calling for an end to the war and the withdrawal of Iraqi troops.<31> That same month U.S. Secretary of State Alexander Haig told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he saw the possibility of improved ties with Baghdad and approvingly noted that Iraq was concerned by "the behavior of Soviet imperialism in the Middle Eastern area." The U.S. then approved the sale to Iraq of five Boeing jetliners, and sent a deputy assistant secretary of state to Baghdad for talks.<32> The U.S. removed Iraq from its notoriously selective list of nations supporting international terrorism<33> (despite the fact that terrorist Abu Nidal was based in the country)<34> and Washington extended a $400 million credit guarantee for U.S. exports to Iraq.<35> In November 1984, the U.S. and Iraq restored diplomatic relations, which had been ruptured in 1967.<36>

SNIP...

ARMS TO THE AYATOLLAH

The main tool by which U.S. policy makers sought to secure their position in Iran in 1985 and 1986 was secretly providing arms and intelligence information. As a proclaimed neutral in the Iran-Iraq war, the United States was not supposed to supply weapons to either side. Nevertheless, U.S. allies kept the combatants well-stocked.<74> Israel transferred vast quantities of U.S.-origin weapons to Iran;<75> to what extent U.S. permission for these shipments was obtained (as required by U.S. law) is not known, but surely the U.S. had enough leverage to prevent the transfers if it had wanted to.


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http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html

Thanks for giving a damn and knowing what history isn't worth repeating, DrDebug!


The principals understand the bottom line from "Wag the Dog."

[happydreams]

19. Great JOB Mr. Fish!! K&R

[Octafish]

60. CIA's Worst Kept Secret

And "Worst" stands for "W."

CIA's Worst-Kept Secret

By Martin A. Lee
May 16, 2001

"Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... unprejudiced mind..."

That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit performed "special duties," a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other "undesirables" during the Second World War.

Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs.

Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.

Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War – the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.

The CIA reports show that U.S. officials knew they were subsidizing numerous Third Reich veterans who had committed horrible crimes against humanity, but these atrocities were overlooked as the anti-Communist crusade acquired its own momentum. For Nazis who would otherwise have been charged with war crimes, signing on with American intelligence enabled them to avoid a prison term.

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http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

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"The Constitution won't defend itself; that is the job, the duty, the right of every citizen." -- Gen. Carl Gross Jr.

http://thegiganticheartlessmultinationalcorporation.com/id650.htm

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. What about his Grandfather's connection to the Concentration Camps

during WWII? Preston Bush supported Hitler and his cause.:(

[Octafish]

32. Allen Dulles, the NAZIs and the CIA.

Some of the past Santayana warned us about...

Allen Dulles, the NAZIs and the CIA.

Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors."  Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.  -- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing'

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man.  He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life.  In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy."  They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis.  In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift

The study of the past is beset by uncertainty.  Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual.  The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented.  But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few  semi-mythic narratives.  In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.

One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century.  The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans.  Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.

We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same.  But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.

How do we begin to untangle this puzzle?  Perhaps it would help if we went back to the start.

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service.  He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another.  But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913.  The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual.  That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

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http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html

Nothing personal. It's only business.

[bobthedrummer]

26. You aren't alone, Octafish. The truth is disappearing though.

The truth is unimportant to a Nazi or their children or their partisans.

The truth is being erased.

As many DUers know, White Rose Society is in danger.

Here was the mother of all Bush/Nazi links (but it has been taken offline)
http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html

Here is a DU archived thread on the Bush/Nazis (but some of the links have vanished)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

Maybe other posters can come up with some viable links on the fascists in our government-there are reasons why they're just like the Nazis.

[Octafish]

31. Chilling words, bobthedrummer: "Truth Is Disappearing."

Thanks for coining it!

"Secrecy and a free democratic government, don't mix." -- President Harry S Truman

http://www.bushsecrecy.org/

Enough people give a damn, Robert-san. They only need to be informed.

BFEE's running scared. One might say, "With Good Reason."

PS: Whenever I see the word "Disappeared," I think of the victims of Operation CONDOR.

[Clara T]

46. A good thread

is a terrible thing to waste.



http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

[Octafish]

64. Prescott begat Nixon. Nixon begat Poppy. Poppy begat Smirko.

From a simpler time, when we thought Nixon was the embodiment of all that is evil...

How Nixon Actually Got Into Power

by Mae Brussell (C) The Realist, August 1972

The rise of Adolph Hitler and fascism in Germany was carefully planned. It began with the illegal rearmament of a covert army following defeat in World War I, which was an intentional, secretive breaking of the Versailles Treaty disarmament agreements. American munition manufacturers and industrialists aided the clandestine military leaders of Germany in their rearmament.(1)

Over four hundred political assassinations of legitimate government officials from various agencies in Germany took place during that period. These murders were necessary for the desired power and position the hidden German government needed.

German law courts, plus their Supreme Court, assisted the growing military regime from 1920-1933. Two governments, one official and legal, one clandestine and secretive, existed side by side, Hitler, front man and leader of the illegal arms, mistaken for comical by the intellectuals, was administered the oath as Chancellor of the German Reich January 30, 1933.

The rise of Richard Nixon in the United States was carefully planned. An illegal attitude towards the Versailles Treaty allowed American financiers to feed and support Germany's illegal rearmament. An illegal attitude toward the Geneva Accord was also approved by Dwight Eisenhower for Indochina in 1945.(2)

A study of our State department and espionage establishment reveals that we had clandestine, secret armies functioning both abroad and in the United States.(3)

Hundreds of political assassinations, plus the Supreme Court, have supported this clandestine government and military regime by lending their name to the concealment of the conspiracies to murder our leaders. They refuse to examine documents that exist, allow truth to remain locked in the National Archives on the basis of the lie, "national security."

CONTINUED...

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbnixonarticle.htm

Of course, in our own interetsing times we see that the embodiment of all that is evil is of a more global nature.

[earth mom]

50. Thank you once again! Recommended! eom

[Octafish]

67. NAZIs in the Attic

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but this bears repeating...

Nazis in the attic, part 6

By Randy Davis

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

...Like Nixon, George Bush was deeply involved with supporting the Nazis in the Republican's closet. In fact, support for the Nazis was a Bush family tradition which goes back more than six decades and, once again, to Allen Dulles.

Loftus and Aarons write: "The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career. It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of Wall Street were making their deals with the Nazis. . . ."

THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION

"George Bush's problems were inherited from his namesake and maternal grandfather, George Herbert 'Bert' Walker, a native of St. Louis, who founded the banking and investment firm of G. H. Walker and Company in 1900. Later the company shifted from St. Louis to the prestigious address of 1 Wall Street. . . .

"Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States. The relationship went all the way back to 1924, when Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist, was financing Hitler's infant Nazi party. As mentioned in earlier chapters, there were American contributors as well.

"Some Americans were just bigots and made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers, who were in it for profit more than ideology, arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s to ensure that their clients did well out of the German economic recovery. . . .

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http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm

Thanks for giving a hoot, TheGoldenRule! These messages need to get out to those for whom it's news.

[Mr Rabble]

51. Once again, Octafish is ON POINT. Thank you.

[Octafish]

68. A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)

Perhaps the term "NAZI" is not technically correect, but if the label fits those who find themselves "superior" to another...

A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)

Part One - Part II ‘Frauds-R-Us’

What is interesting about the history of the Bush family are the connections; Avril Harriman, Allen Dulles, the Rockefellers (the start of the oil connection), James Baker III, Gulf Oil, Pennzoil, Osama bin Laden…on and on it goes.

A lapse of memory?

By William Bowles

05/07/03: (Information Clearing House) It’s as well to remember that the Web never forgets, at least the US pres should take note of this fact and be careful of his utterances and how they can come back to haunt him. In fact four generations of Bush family history and too many skeletons in too many closets to count are to be found on the Web.

And given all the ‘pullpit pounding’ (more of which below) by ol’ Duyba and his minions, over the dubious moral character of Saddam and his cronies, much of which has underpinned the justification for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, it’s as well to compare the two sets of rogues. Not surprisingly, there’s little to choose between the two except that, in the case of the Bush gang, they have a ‘pedigree’ in perfidy which extends back almost a century and four generations that makes Saddam look positively angelic by comparison.

Prescott Bush – setting a family example

In a previous piece (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3243.htm) a quote I used mentioned Prescott Bush the present pres’s granpa (http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030210Koop.html) so I decided to do a little researching to see what other dirty little secrets the Bush family have hidden in the dark recesses of the WWW and lo and behold, there’s a load of stuff out there (7,630 links to be precise, according to good ol’ google just on granpa Prescott Bush).

Geronimo!

CONTINUED...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm

Like the NAZIs, the members of the BFEE think they are uebermenschen.

Most importantly: You're welcome, emperor72. Thank you for the kind words.

[Canuckistanian]

77. Good call on the Koopersmith article

I haven't read him since the dark days - pre-Iraq war.

He's a good writer. Where can I find his stuff now?

[Octafish]

78. The Party's Over for George W. Bush

You're spot-on, Canuckistanian.

The guy's absolutely pegged the Bush Crime Family M.O.

Plus, he writes good.

The Party's Over for George W. Bush

Everything -- from "Saddam has WMDs" to "Mission Accomplished" to "Dr. Germ & Mrs. Anthrax"-- was a lie, and it's time to put the President and his cronies on trial
By Jeff Koopersmith

Dec. 21, 2005 -- PHILADELPHIA (apj.us) -- It just galls me to listen to pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle argue over whether or not it's a good idea to pull our boys and girls out of Iraq "sooner" rather than "later." To me, that discussion just obscures the awful, far more important truth: the liars surrounding President Bush, and perhaps even he, simply made up a series of "facts" to justify a little jaunt into Iraq that has cost us two thousand dead American kids, 3,200 fatherless children, 35,000 dead Iraqi civilians (at the rock bottom least), and just for good measure another 20,000 or so American military and civilian "casualties" -- you know, guys wandering around Walter Reed Hospital without arms and legs.

As if to bold and underscore the plethora of lies that have come from the lips of the President over the past five years, 24 of 25 former Saddam Hussein top officials were released with "no charges filed" against them after serving two years in Baghdad jails.

Included in this group was Dr. Rihab Taka, better known as "Dr. Germ," and Huda Salih Mehdi Amash, a.k.a. "Mrs. Anthrax" -- both nicknamed at some White House Texas Tea Party where the bourbon must have been gushing. You remember "The Germ" and "Mrs. Anthrax," who was also the five of hearts on the Neocon-marketed deck of American's Most Wanted playing cards? Well, now the duo are "Dr. Gone to Paris" and "Mrs. I'm outta here, baby!"

The two are fleeing -- free as birds.

Why?

Because they didn't do anything that they can be charged with.

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http://www.americanpolitics.com/20051220Koop.html

Mr. Koopersmith deconstructs Ann Coulter. Please.

An open letter to neo-fascist propagandist Ann Coulter

By Jeff Koopersmith

Feb. 27, 2002

Dear Ann,

I feel like I know you.

I have raged at you because of your idiocy so often. How is it that an educated woman can be as odious as you?

Yesterday, I read your column, "Give us 22 minutes, we'll give up the country."

You write, "Rich liberals are planning to fund a talk radio network because they believe -- as The New York Times put it -- they have been 'overshadowed in the political propaganda wars by conservative radio and television personalities.'"

I am not sure you get it, Ann.

"Rich" liberals, like Sheldon and Anita Drobny -- the common sense behind this idea -- give MILLIONS of dollars of their honestly-earned money to charity and education. They are not fashioning a new radio syndicate merely to combat political propaganda wars, but to attempt to undo nearly a quarter century of hatemongering propaganda from so-called "conservatives" (a nice way of saying "Post-Nixonian Nazis") who learned in 1980 that they could get away with Hitler's Big Lie Theory and convince America that ravenousness is better than kindness.

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http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030227Koop.html

This guy Koopersmith is great. Appears he's still editing the American Politics Journal web site. I've seen him reprinted on AxisOfLogic.com and Rense.com. Let's see where else we can find his work.

[lonestarnot]

53. Unitary Executive Branch... now is that a new administrative agency...

As always Octafish, I love your posts!

[Octafish]

69. A Gestapo Administration

Nation's founders didn't want a king who could start wars whenever he wanted, so he gave the People's branch -- the representatives of the citizens, not subjects of the crown -- the power to declare war.

So, Bushler had to have his 9-11.

Bush's Witchhunt Against Truth-Tellers

A Gestapo Administration

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
January 2, 2006

Caught in gratuitous and illegal spying on American citizens, the Bush administration has defended its illegal activity and set the Justice (sic) Department on the trail of the person or persons who informed the New York Times of Bush's violation of law. Note the astounding paradox: The Bush administration is caught red-handed in blatant illegality and responds by trying to arrest the patriots who exposed the administration's illegal behavior.

Bush has actually declared it treasonous to reveal his illegal behavior! His propagandists, who masquerade as news organizations, have taken up the line: To reveal wrong-doing by the Bush administration is to give aid and comfort to the enemy.

Compared to Spygate, Watergate was a kindergarden picnic. The Bush administration's lies, felonies, and illegalities have revealed it to be a criminal administration with a police state mentality and police state methods. Now Bush and his attorney general have gone the final step and declared Bush to be above the law. Bush aggressively mimics Hitler's claim that defense of the realm entitles him to ignore the rule of law.

Bush's acts of illegal domestic spying are gratuitous because there are no valid reasons for Bush to illegally spy. The Foreign Intelligence Services Act gives Bush all the power he needs to spy on terrorist suspects. All the administration is required to do is to apply to a secret FISA court for warrants. The Act permits the administration to spy first and then apply for a warrant, should time be of the essence. The problem is that Bush has totally ignored the law and the court.

Why would President Bush ignore the law and the FISA court? It is certainly not because the court in its three decades of existence was uncooperative. According to attorney Martin Garbus (New York Observer, 12-28-05), the secret court has issued more warrants than all federal district judges combined, only once denying a warrant.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01022006.html

Most importantly: Thank you, lonestarnot! Your kind words are most appreciated.

[lonestarnot]

55. gona give her a little kicker.

[Octafish]

76. CIA Faces Pressure to Divulge Ties to Ex-Nazis

Playing both sides of Treason Street may yet come back to bite Them in the arse.

CIA Faces Pressure to Divulge Ties to Ex-Nazis

By David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. senator demanded on Wednesday that the CIA director release thousands of pages of documents detailing the agency's ties with former Nazis who aided in Cold War espionage against the Soviet Union, officials said.

Sen. Mike DeWine of Ohio, Republican co-author of a 1998 bill ordering the disclosure of government records on Nazi war criminals, wants CIA Director Porter Goss to say publicly why his agency has not agreed to divulge the records.

SNIP...

The CIA has already released an estimated 1.25 million pages of documents about Nazi war criminals. Most are records of the agency's wartime predecessor, the Office of Strategic Services.

SNIP...

Goss co-sponsored the legislation during his tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives, where he led the chamber's intelligence committee.

But the CIA has refused to disclose documents about its postwar dealings with former Nazis who have not been accused of war crimes but belonged to organizations like the German Nazi party and the SS, congressional officials said.

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http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Feb05/020205CIANazis.html

63. Bush promotes torture

and laughs at the horrors he is committing, like the Nazis and like the Spanish Inquisition.



Listen to Bush's Big Joke

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/Bushs_Big_Joke.wmv

[Octafish]

80. The fact the press LAUGHS makes me very angry and ashamed.

Bush's fun at the expense of 100,000 dead INNOCENT Iraqis and 2,500 of America's finest is disgusting. Thank you for getting it to my attention from OldAmericanCentury.org.

I was assistant features editor of my high school paper, so I'm a journalist by training and I don't like what's happened to the profession on the national level. Most belong to a press corpse; those who actually file work deserve to be called presstitutes, like Steno Judy. Apart from Helen Thomas and a few others, most of the good ones have been forced out of the business -- like Robert Parry and the late Gary Webb.

Torture and Gonzales: An Exchange

By G. Jan Ligthart, Robert S. Rivkin, Reply by Mark Danner
In response to Abu Ghraib: The Hidden Story (October 7, 2004)

To the Editors:

Mark Danner's article exposing the Bush administration's "piecemeal and dilatory" investigations into the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal was excellent <"Abu Ghraib: The Hidden Story," NYR, October 7, 2004>.

SNIP...

In them, President Bush's lawyers provided (supposedly) legal justifications for torture of suspected terrorists. Probably the most shocking memo was dated August 1, 2002, and signed by Jay S. Bybee, then the head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, the "conscience" of the Justice Department.

"As commander in chief, the president has the constitutional authority to order interrogations of enemy combatants," Bybee wrote. Further, the president of the United States, acting under his inherent powers as commander in chief, can lawfully order torture, without regard to federal criminal laws or international law. Any measure "that interferes with the president's direction of such core war matters as the detention and interrogation of enemy combatants would thus be unconstitutional." Even Congress lacks the power to limit presidential prerogatives, Bybee opined.

Americans should not be permitted to forget where Mr. Bybee is now. He is now a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals judge. Bush nominated him and the Senate confirmed him without first having insisted on copies of his Justice Department memos.

Judge Bybee will now be deciding constitutional rights cases arising in the western United States for the rest of his working life. Another Bush nomination to a federal appeals court, that of William J. Haynes II, the Pentagon's general counsel, has been stopped in its tracks—due to his role in endorsing the Bybee viewpoint and pushing it on resistant career military lawyers. Having learned of Haynes's role in advocating harsh interrogating guidelines, Democrats have held up the Haynes confirmation. Of course, in the wake of the scandal, the Justice Department rescinded the Bybee memo, which, it said, was being "revised."

The most frightening thing about the Bush lawyers' memos is the totalitarian mindset that they reveal. In Nazi Germany, torture of "normal" defendants was considered to be unlawful. With "enemies of the state," however, it was a different story. According to Gestapo Chief Counsel Werner Best, "So long as the police force carries out the will of the country's leadership, it acts legally."<*> What is the difference between the Gestapo lawyer's comment about the police force carrying out the "will of the country's leadership"—to justify torture, and Mr. Bybee's comment about the president's power to order any measure pursuant to his "core authority" as commander in chief—to justify torture?

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http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17730

Laughing at the scars, torture and death of his victims is the sign of Bushler's sociopathic mind.

109. Bush is a sociopath and even though

his stupidity is obvious, he rose to power. When he makes jokes about WMD in Iraq, it is like he could be talking about a baseball game in the same terms as hundreds or thousands of people dying horribly. There is no feeling in him.

He would be quite comfortable with complete power, though I think he needs despicable people around him to give the power to because he has no real ideas of his own.

[lonestarnot]

124. bushitler is a fuckhead who is so self absorbed he cares for nothing but

his own agenda, whether it is torturing children, being a racist, being a dictator, ravaging other countries, taking care of the richie riches, or chopping cedar, he's a fuckhead fuckwad w/o a conscience.

[Octafish]

166. He's a Hugh Moran

Gov. Hugh Moran

[DemonFighterLives]

65. Game, Set, Match

I don't even need to read all of your links to know that your conclusions are correct. As the front man of the "Culture Of Corruption" dubya is probably making Hitler roll over in his grave.
There is a new Megalomaniac in the world.


:patriot:

[Octafish]

81. We're at the Tipping Point

Every little bit helps.

And every person who KNOWS these are crooks and gangsters and NAZIs brings that day closer.

Everthing you need to know about how the USA Patriot Act...

This page contains the followign articles on The USA Patriot Act:
1) How the Patriot Act Compares to the Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act)
2) A 21st Century Comparison of The Enabling Act and The Patriot Act
3) Ten Key Dangers of the Patriot Act
4) Bill Moyer's NOW Comments on the Patriot Act
5) The USA Patriot Act, A Legal Analysis by Charles Doyle (link to PDA document)

RESOURCE:

http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm

Thanks for the kind words,DemonFighterLives. They are very much appreciated.

Hey! Did I ever tell you who Damien reminds me of?




Ein Volk.

[Clara T]

83. From my notes on Eugenics

George Bush was director of the CIA from 1976-77, and became a director of Eli Lilly 1977-78. What's the connection? Lilly has long-time ties to the CIA. The company history is quite interesting. Lilly reportedly supplied major amounts of LSD during MK-Ultra. Lilly has worked extensively on recombinant DNA human insulin, the key technology that makes new viruses possible to engineer. (New viruses might include AIDS, Mad Cow, Aspartam, Gulf War.) Lilly marketed its first recombinant DNA product immediately after the AIDS epidemic was noted, about 1982.

I don't know if Bush was an investor in Lilly. (The Quayle family apparently owns a large block of stock.) He put his pharmaceuticals into blind trust after taking heat for exerting influence that would benefit the industry.
Lilly's reputation isn't too pure; lots of controversy about testing on homeless in soup kitchens and other sorts of victimizations of human guinea pigs.

And then comes Tanox. A company that sells biochemical substances to the Middle East and whose owners include GHWB and James Baker III. Reportedly a class action suit was filed against the company by Gulf War veterans. The charge is that the company developed and tested contaminated vaccines on servicemen and women.

Seriously, some of the characters associated with the Bush dynasty have a history of dabbling in eugenics, population engineering, and other tinkering that displays an arrogance for non-elite life. GHWB best friend Will Farrish. Close associate and appointee C. Boyden Gray. Blind trust manager Will Draper III. Look up their grandparents and parents. Pretty frightening stuff. It isn't too far a step from those vicious predilections to thinking that Bush and Baker own a company that infected our own fighting troops for some sort of personal gain.

In 1969, Congressman George Herbert Walker Bush convened hearings on population control for blacks. These hearings were based on the theories of population control developed and espoused by William Draper, Jr., whose business at the time he became an affiliate of the Bush dynasty in 1926 was short-term loans and financial management tricks for clients who sponsored Hitler's terroristic takeover; his clients led the buildup of the Nazi war industry; his clients made war against the United States. The Nazis were Draper's direct partners in Berlin and New Jersey. Draper III managed Bush's blind trust.

C. Boyden Gray's family history is even more colorful. From the Unauthorized Biography of GHWB:
When Boyden Gray was four and five years old, his father organized the pilot project for the present worldwide sterilization program, from the Gray family household in North Carolina.
It started in 1946. The eugenics movement was looking for a way to begin again in America.
Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz had just then seared the conscience of the world. The Sterilization League of America, which had changed its name during the war to `` Birthright, Inc., '' wanted to start up again. First they had to overcome public nervousness about crackpots proposing to eliminate `` inferior '' and `` defective '' people. The League tried to surface in Iowa, but had to back off because of negative publicity: A little boy had recently been sterilized there and had died from the operation.

They decided on North Carolina, where the Gray family could play the perfect host. Through British imperial contacts, Boyden Gray's grandfather, Bowman Gray, had become principal owner of the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. Boyden's father, Gordon Gray, had recently founded the Bowman Gray (memorial) Medical School in Winston-Salem, using his inherited cigarette stock shares. The medical school was already a eugenics center.

As the experiment began, Gordon Gray's great aunt, Alice Shelton Gray, who had raised him from childhood, was living in his household. Aunt Alice had founded the `` Human Betterment League, '' the North Carolina branch of the national eugenical sterilization movement.

Aunt Alice was the official supervisor of the 1946-47 experiment. Working under Miss Gray was Dr. Claude Nash Herndon, whom Gordon Gray had made assistant professor of `` medical genetics '' at Bowman Gray Medical School.

Dr. Clarence Gamble, heir to the Proctor and Gamble soap fortune, was the sterilizers' national field operations chief.
The experiment worked as follows. All children enrolled in the school district of Winston-Salem, N.C., were given a special `` intelligence test. '' Those children who scored below a certain arbitrary low mark were then cut open and surgically sterilized.

A side note: in 1952, the American Eugenics Society left its headquarters at Yale University.

[Octafish]

84. Those are your NOTES? That's more info than in most encyclopedias.

If I may borrow from an old post of mine...

These turds the Bushes and the rest of the slime for which they front believe God put them on Earth to Lord it over the rest of us. Gee. This country was founded 228 years ago to get away from kings and that kind of thinking.

Nowadays we have "The Da Vinci Code" and other stuff going through the public mind, making everyone feel that they just might be part of the true blue bloods. Ha! That's what Bush's big cash cow Ken Lay told the mopes at ENRON.
Oh well. Just when it seemed the subject couldn't get any worse...

The Human Genome Project and Eugenics

Author Robert Lederman

EXCERPT...
 
The Human Genome Project may now open the door to the development and use of genetic weapons targeted at specific ethnic groups. This project is currently being conducted under the auspices of the U.S. Energy Department, which also oversees America’s nuclear weapon arsenal.

SNIP...

On November 15, 1998, the London Times reported that Israel claimed to have successfully developed a genetically specific "ethnic bullet" that targets Arabs. When an Israeli government spokesman was asked to confirm the existence of ethnic weapons, he did not deny that they had them, but rather said, "we have a basket full of serious surprises that we will not hesitate to use if we feel that the state of Israel is under serious threat."

Some scientists worry that the modified genes that corporations have spliced into fish, fowl, fruit and vegetables have permanently altered the world’s food supply. Some may be intended to reduce populations.

The U.S. has a long history of interest in such genetic research. The current home of the Human Genome Project is the Cold Springs Harbor laboratory on Long Island, NY—the exact site of the notorious Eugenics Research Office that was started in 1910 by the Harriman family. The project’s 1910 agenda included governmental imposition of sanctions on such human rights as reproduction, and on U.S. immigration, based on the alleged inferiority of particular ethnic groups. The Eugenics Research Project established medical and psychological conditions that would qualify one for sterilization or euthanasia. Prominent advocates of the program such as the Rockefeller family, Henry Ford, and Margaret Sanger helped smooth the way for the passage of forcible sterilization laws in 25 states. These laws allowed the forcible sterilization of tens of thousands of people, mostly of minority status, during the first half of the 20th century.

The November 1970 issue of the Military Review published an article entitled "Ethnic Weapons" for command-level military personnel. The author of the article was Dr. Carl Larson, head of the Department of Human Genetics at the Institute of Genetics in Lund, Sweden. Dr Larson wrote of how genetic variations in races are concurrent with differences in tolerances for various substances. For instance, large segments of Southeast Asian populations display a lactose intolerance due to the absence of the enzyme lactase in the digestive system. A biological weapon could conceivably take advantage of this genetic variance and incapacitate or kill an entire population.

CONTINUED...

http://www.konformist.com/2001/censor-award.htm

Truly appreciate you sharing that information, Clara T. And you know Borges? Wow.

[Clara T]

118. The Men Behind Hitler- A Warning to the World

A short time after the passing of the Sterilisation Law, he published a commentary about the meaning and purpose of the Law together with the lawyer Dr. Falk Ruttke, director of the Reich's Commission for the Public Health Service of the Interior and Arthur Gütt, the Nazi population expert and head of a government department in the Reich s Ministry of the interior.
The law itself was to take effect from 5th January 1934. Very comprehensive in scope its main purpose was to cleanse the nation of impure and undesirable elements toward the realisation of the Germanic ideal.

The categories of people covered by Law were:
(1) Anyone suffering from a hereditary disease could be sterilised by means of a surgical operation if it could be expected with some certainty, according to the experiences of medical science, that his posterity would suffer from serious physical or mental hereditary disease.

(2) Persons would be considered as hereditarily diseased in the sense of this law if they suffered from any one of the following diseases:
(i) Innate mental deficiency
(ii) Schizophrenia
(iii) Manic-depressive insanity
(iv) Hereditary epilepsy
(v) Hereditary (Huntington's) chorea
(vi) Hereditary blindness
(vii) Hereditary deafness
(viii) Severe hereditary physical abnormality.
(3) Further persons could be sterilised who suffered from severe alcoholism.
The law provided for an application from the person seeking to be sterilised and if he were unfit to act or declared incapable of managing his affairs on account of mental deficiency or not yet completed his 18th year, the legal representative was entitled to apply.

Sterilisation could also be applied for by the official doctor or, in the case of an inmate of a hospital sanatorium nursing home, or prison, by the head of the Institution.

A whole legal system was set up. Courts for the prevention of hereditary illnesses were instituted called "Erbgesundheitsgerichte" (Hereditary Health Courts) and attached to the existing district courts as well as the Higher Courts. Sitting on these were always one judge and two doctors (usually psychiatrists) present in court hearings of this nature. Witnesses and specialists could be called upon and the rules for civil procedure were to be normally applied.

http://www.toolan.com/hitler/seizep.html

[Peter Frank]

66. Recommended...

Excellent work.

[EuroObserver]

70. Saved, printed, pending distrbution... Thanks. n/t

[Octafish]

86. Bush KILLED a U.S. Citizen without Trial or Due Process. Like the NAZIs.

What's to make us think he won't apply "enemy combatant" status to any more or all citizens who oppose him?

CIA Killed U.S. Citizen In Yemen Missile Strike

Action's Legality, Effectiveness Questioned

by Dana Priest
Published on Friday, November 8, 2002 by the Washington Post

A U.S. citizen was among the people killed in the pilotless missile strike on suspected al Qaeda terrorists in Yemen Sunday, administration officials confirmed yesterday, adding a new element to an attack that reflects the evolving nature of the U.S. war on terrorism around the world.

Ahmed Hijazi and five other suspected al Qaeda operatives were killed by a five-foot long Hellfire missile launched from a remote controlled CIA Predator aircraft as they rode in a vehicle 100 miles east of the Yemeni capital, Sanaa.

Hijazi held U.S. citizenship and was also a citizen of an unidentified Middle Eastern country, a senior administration official confirmed. He was not born in the United States, but resided here for an unknown period of time, the official said.

With him in the vehicle, said Yemeni and U.S. government officials, was a senior al Qaeda leader, Abu Ali al-Harithi, who is suspected of masterminding the October 2000 attack on the destroyer USS Cole.

Hijazi's citizenship highlights the different approaches pursued simultaneously by the administration as it wages its war on terror. In some cases since Sept. 11, American citizens have been arrested and afforded traditional legal rights in the criminal justice system. In others, they have been captured and held indefinitely in military brigs as "enemy combatants." Now, at least in Hijazi's case, a citizen has been killed in a covert military action.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1108-05.htm

Thank you for the kind words, EuroObserver. Your friendship much appreciated.

[EuroObserver]

87. Updated / Repeating n/t

[Time for change]

71. I definitely agree

I posted something similar a few months ago:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2069007

And again very recently:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=67175

[Octafish]

133. Hitler's 3rd Reich: Similarities & Differences with the Bush/Cheney Regime

I am very sorry I missed your posts. They are outstanding in every way, from content to analysis to criticism. Your understanding of rhetoric also is clear. Thank you for sharing, Time for Change.

Hitler's 3rd Reich: Similarities & Differences with the Bush/Cheney Regime

Adolph Hitler’s National Socialist (Nazi) regime was perhaps the most evil and destructive regime in the history of the world. By the time of its demise it had been responsible for over 50 million deaths. Yet, at the beginning of the 20th Century the conventional wisdom had predicted an unprecedented era of world peace, prosperity, and civilized behavior among nations. And following the fall of the Nazis in 1945, many or most people believed that the world had learned its lesson, and would never again witness anything so terrible. Many, perhaps most people, still believe that.

But the fall of the Nazis occurred a mere 60 years ago. And the world has not yet learned the necessary lessons. And it could happen again – if we let it.

Today, the most powerful country in the world – our country – is led by a group a people who have some similarities with the Nazis. It is crucially important that the people of this country understand those similarities, so as to better enable us to prevent a repeat of Nazi history. And it is also very important that we understand and acknowledge the differences – otherwise we lose our credibility and nobody will listen to us. This is my attempt to list some of those similarities and differences.


1. How they came to power

Hitler
Following a long series of backroom deals, in a desperate attempt by President Hindenburg to bring some stability to a failing Republic, he appointed Hitler to the Chancellorship of Germany in January 1933.

Bush
Following a series of illegal maneuvers (purging tens of thousands of African American registered voters from the voter roles based on their being a close computer match to convicted felons; Republican election officials providing illegal assistance to give Republican voters the opportunity to vote absentee; voter intimidation in Democratic precincts, and much more) to push Bush’s vote total in the crucial state of Florida barely ahead of his opponent, the Bush machine tried every trick in the book to – successfully – prevent a legal recount of the vote.

James Baker, Bush’s point man in Florida, promised blood in the streets if the controversy didn’t stop soon; the mainstream news media repeatedly called for Al Gore to concede the election, for the good of the nation; a group of Republican operatives stormed election offices in Miami-Dade County, in a successful attempt to stop the vote counting there; and finally, the Republican controlled Supreme Court ordered the vote counting to stop, in a legal decision that was so egregious that the authors of the decision stated for the first time in the history of the U.S. Supreme Court that their decision should not be used as a precedent for any future Court decisions.

Differences
Hitler was initially appointed to the Chancellorship, whereas Bush became President by means of an election, tainted though that election was. On the other hand, Hitler’s appointment was perfectly legal, whereas numerous illegal acts had to be committed in order for Bush to “win” his election.

Similarities
In both cases the threat of a de-stabilized republic contributed to pressure to appoint these men, and in both cases the threat of violence by the respective regimes was an important factor in leading to their ascension to power.


2. Maintenance of power

Hitler
Shortly after ascension to the Chancellorship Hitler began consolidating his power. By having enough opposition members of the Reichstag arrested, an “Enabling Act” was passed, which conferred on Hitler exclusive legislative powers for four years. His acquisition of new powers culminated in December of 1932, when a referendum was held in which 95% of registered voters voted, and 90% of them voted “yes” to Hitler’s complete usurpation of dictatorial powers in Germany.

Bush regime
Following Bush’s ascension to the Presidency, electronic voting machines began to replace older types of machines. The problems with the system that developed were made manifest in the 2002 and 2004 elections. Consequently, the evidence is very strong that Bush’s “victory” in the 2004 Presidential election required extensive fraud (See this summary of reasons to believe that Bush’s 2004 victory was fraudulent.) Factors that enabled extensive fraud to take place (whether or not it affected the results of the election) included: “Proprietary” voting machines and software to count our votes, meaning that these machines are not open to public inspection; absence of a paper trail in many cases, meaning that these electronically counted votes cannot be verified in a recount; ownership of the voting machines by supporters of the Republican Party; control of the election in Ohio (which determined the winner of the election) by the Chairman of the Ohio re-elect Bush campaign; and refusal to conduct a recount of the Ohio vote in accordance with Ohio election law.

Differences
Hitler’s ascension to dictatorship was blatant, whereas Bush’s re-election to the Presidency in 2004 is not yet recognized by most Americans as a manifestation of dictatorship. Indeed, to be perfectly honest about it, it has not even yet been proven beyond doubt that fraud was required to ensure Bush’s 2004 “victory”.

Similarities
The difference between an openly proclaimed dictatorship and a situation where one party counts the votes and controls the elections may be a difference in appearance only. The end result may be the same.


3. Excuse for suspending constitutional guarantees of liberty

Nazi regime
A fire started in the Reichstag (the German parliamentary building) was blamed on the Communists and years later shown to have been planned and started by the Nazis. This act was used as an excuse for the arrest of numerous members of the opposition German parties (not only Communists) and the suspension of civil liberties in Germany.

Bush regime
The bombing of the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon was quickly ascertained to be the work of Muslim extremists. While the role of the Bush regime in this event is currently controversial and not known with certainty, it is known that at the very least the Bush regime was guilty of gross incompetence, having been given numerous warnings of the event and having taken no steps to prevent it or counteract it. This event was used to justify the passage of the so-called “PATRIOT Act”, which suspended many constitutional guarantees of civil liberties in the United States, most notoriously the rights of those arrested for certain crimes (under specified circumstances) to be formally accused and represented by counsel.

Differences
The latter event was much more severe, resulting in several thousand deaths and severe economic dislocation. In addition, unlike the burning of the Reichstag, the precise role of the prevailing regime remains highly controversial at this time.

Similarities
In both instances a terrorist event provided an excuse to the prevailing regime for extensive suspension of civil liberties guaranteed by the respective constitutions.


4. Excuse for war

Nazi regime
Hitler used false accusations of Polish atrocities against ethnic German citizens of Poland and other false “provocations” to justify making numerous demands on Poland which could not possibly be met, including the accession of territory to Germany. Failure of Poland to accede to these demands served as the rationale for the German invasion.

Bush regime
The primary excuse for the invasion of Iraq was the alleged existence of a program for the production and use of weapons of mass destruction by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Other excuses, once the primary excuse proved invalid, were connections between Saddam Hussein and terrorists who posed a threat to the United States, and the need to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people by liberating them from a ruthless dictator.

Differences
At least the latter of the Bush regime’s excuses had some validity to it, regardless of whether or not it actually constituted a true motive. Saddam Hussein was indeed a ruthless and evil dictator, whereas Poland had done nothing whatsoever that could justify an invasion of their country.

Similarities
In both cases the regime knowingly lied to its own people and to the outside world to justify an invasion that it had desired for other reasons for several years.


5. Control of the news media

Nazi regime
By the time Hitler consolidated his powers, it was obvious to anyone in the business of journalism that the distribution of any news unfavorable to the regime was likely to be punishable by imprisonment or death. Editors and news correspondents would meet daily in the Nazi’s Propaganda Ministry to be told by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Propaganda Minister, what news to print and suppress, and how to write the news.

Bush regime
All of the main news sources in the United States today are owned by a small number of corporations. As wealthy corporate executives, it is recognized that not only do their financial interests largely coincide with those of the Bush regime, but that the writing of news unfavorable to the regime is likely to be met with punishment, such as banning of White House press privileges or worse.

Differences
After Hitler acquired dictatorial powers, his control of news in Germany was far more complete than is currently the case in the United States. In this country, alternative sources of news, some which are highly anti-Administration, still exist. Furthermore, a number of individual journalists who work for the corporate controlled news media still exhibit a high degree of independence and integrity, though not without risk to their jobs and possibly more.

Similarities
Though different in degree, both regimes exercised a considerable degree of effective control over the primary sources of news in their respective countries.


6. Appeals to racism and domestic policy

Hitler
Racism was the foundation of Hitler’s regime. It was probably also the major motivating force for Hitler himself. The result was genocide on a scale unprecedented in the history of the world

Bush regime
Racism does not appear to be a personal motivating force for George W. Bush. On the other hand, while professing concern for ordinary citizens, the Bush regime has systematically dismantled domestic programs that have protected and provided a safety net for the country’s poorest and most unfortunate citizens, under the guise of populist rhetoric. This fact was recently given high visibility when the city of New Orleans was destroyed by a hurricane induced flood that could have been prevented had the Administration acted on pointed warnings from its Army Corps of Engineers. Furthermore, the President barely made an attempt to conceal his lack of concern for the fate of the poor people killed and made homeless by the disaster, by virtue of his slow and meager response to it.

In addition, though consistently refraining from blatant appeals to racism, the Bush regime is not beyond using it when it suits their purpose. For example, in its ascension to power in 2000, the Bush campaign actively circulated rumors that his primary Republican opponent had fathered a child of mixed race, in order to help win a crucial primary in one of the most conservative states in the country. And in further pursuit of an electoral victory in the general election, the campaign resorted to massive suppression and intimidation of minority voters.

Differences
There is a large difference of degree in appeals to and committing of blatantly racist acts, between the two regimes.

Similarities
Nevertheless, both regimes used racist acts to climb to power, and the effects of their policies had severely negative effects for minority races. Whether or not the inclination of the Bush regime to stay away from blatantly obvious racism is more a reflection of some human decency on the part of the Administration or a reflection of political calculation is difficult to say with certainty.


7. Contempt for international opinion

Hitler
Hitler’s contempt for international opinion was manifested primarily in his aggressive military stance. His goal was to conquer large portions of the world, and he hid this goal from foreign leaders only to the extent that was necessary to garner their temporary cooperation with his efforts.

Bush regime
The contempt of the Bush regime for international opinion has been evident in many of its actions, including: The unilateral cancellation of its anti-ballistic missile treaty with Russia; its consistent refusal to participate in world efforts to counter the potentially disastrous world wide environmental effects of global warning; its refusal to support the International Criminal Court; its refusal to abide by international humanitarian standards for the treatment of prisoners of war; and its decision to go to war with Iraq, which jeopardized world peace against the wishes of most other nations in the world.

Differences
In its contempt for international opinion, the Bush regime has made a significantly greater effort than Hitler did to hide that contempt, by frequently resorting to diplomatic language.

Similarities
Nevertheless, both regimes made it quite clear that they would not be swayed in the slightest bit by world opinion where their own perceived interests were at stake.


8. Treatment of opposition

Hitler
Opposition to Hitler was generally dealt with by imprisonment or death, to the extent possible – and those options were indeed possible to a great extent.

Bush regime
The Bush regime, though frequently expressing rhetorical desire to work with the opposition party, in fact demonstrates little or no inclination to do so. Those who express criticism are demonized at best. And sometimes they are punished by destroying the career of one’s wife, even at the expense of jeopardizing national security. Or sometimes (though infrequently) they are found dead in hotel rooms or from strange accidents, such as was the case with Bush biographer J. H. Hatfield, Raymond Lemme, the man who was in the midst of investigating charges of electronic vote switching, or Paul Wellstone, the Senator who was trying to arrange for serious investigations into the circumstances surrounding the terrorist attacks on our country, and who was about to be re-elected to the U.S. Senate. (Note: I am not claiming that the deaths of these people were related to the Bush regime – thought there are certainly many people who believe that to be the case).

Differences
In general, the Nazis treated their opponents far harsher than does the Bush regime. Of course, they we able to do so, and perhaps the Bush regime currently treats their opponents no harsher than they do only because the current climate of opinion prohibits them from doing so.

Similarities
Both regimes treated their political opponents ruthlessly – perhaps as ruthlessly as the realities of the situation would permit.


9. Response by the people

Nazi regime
As noted above, only 10% of German voters voted against Hitler’s acquisition of dictatorial powers. Political opposition against him, though strong at first, diminished considerably after Hitler consolidated his powers (though it never dissipated completely, as evident by two courageous attempts to assassinate him). The lack of opposition to Hitler was due to a combination of several factors, including: Some agreement with Hitler’s racism; psychological denial that he was as bad as he appeared to be; extreme nationalism; inclination to be obedient to authority figures; and, perhaps most important of all, fear.

Bush regime
There does in fact continue to exist a great amount of opposition to the Bush regime within the United States at this time – although not enough to get rid of it. Most people in this country exhibit some degree of nationalism and psychological denial, which prevent them from realizing how bad things are. Politicians of the opposition (Democratic) party generally exhibit an exceptional degree of restraint in their opposition activities, much to the discomfort of many people, especially, for example, those who belong to the Democratic Underground.

Differences
The opposition to the Bush regime today in the United States is certainly much greater (at least its expression is) than the opposition to Hitler in Germany at the height of his powers. One reason for this may be that less racism exists in this country today than existed in Germany in the 1930s. Another reason is that there is less fear of today’s Bush regime, consistent with constitutional safeguards of our liberties that still exist in this country.

Similarities
Nevertheless, all the factors noted above, which diminished potential opposition to the Nazis, also exist in the United States today.


10. Lessons learned and summary

Nazi regime
1) Some evil regimes cannot be appeased.
2) Extreme nationalism is not the equivalent of patriotism
3) Opposition to genocide must trump national sovereignty
4) Conscience must trump appeals to “patriotism”
5) Citizens must take an active part in their government in order to preserve democracy.

Bush regime
Some of the above lessons have been learned by a large number of people. Most DUers have learned most of these lessons, and that is why they are so fervent in their opposition to the Bush regime. However, most current citizens of the United States have not yet learned most of these lessons, and that is why the Bush regime currently remains in power.

Differences
The lessons that we should have learned from the rise and fall of the Nazis have yet to be thoroughly learned by most people. Today we have a regime that resembles the Nazis of the 1930s and 40s in many respects, and yet relatively few Americans recognize that crucial fact. Their failure to recognize this stems primarily from their failure to learn the lessons that should have or could have been learned from a close study of history, as well as their refusal to believe that “it could happen here”.

Similarities
The lessons that need to be learned are very similar for the two regimes. It remains to be seen whether or not this time we will learn the required lessons in time to prevent a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions.

ORIGINAL DU Thread w/MEGA Links: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2069007

Would it were possible to kick and recommend. I have bookmarked.

[Octafish]

135. Yes it CAN Happen Here -- The Impending Death of American Democracy

Like Voltaire wrote Rousseau: "I feel like crawling around on all fours after reading your work."

What Time for Change wrote:

Yes it CAN Happen Here – The Impending Death of American Democracy

Germany became a dictatorship in the early 1930s, and a few years later became perhaps the most brutal regime in world history, not because the German people were inherently evil, but because ordinary people by the millions sat passively by as their democracy was stolen from them piece by piece. The German people did not want war, and the good majority of them did not want mass murder either. But psychological denial is a ubiquitous human weakness, and as the atrocities became worse and more frequent, too many Germans simply refused to see or to admit what was happening. As Herman Goering said at the Nuremburg trials at which he was sentenced to death:


Naturally the common people don’t want war … but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along… All you have to do is to tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger… It works the same in any country.


Sound familiar? Too many people refused to see what was happening until it was too late. And that is why it was allowed to happen. Is our country so different from Germany in the 1930s that it couldn’t happen here? Most American apparently think so. I don’t, and here are some reasons why:


We are well on our way to dictatorship and few Americans seem to notice or care

For example, consider the way that Bush handled the signing of a recent Defense Department bill that included an amendment by John McCain which prohibited torture of detainees in U.S. custody. Bush signed the bill, but included a “signing statement” which declared that he retains the right to determine when an exception needs to be made to the torture ban (Thank you to Generator for posting that analysis).

Or consider Bush’s decision to bypass the need for FISA warrants when he decides to use the NSA to spy on American citizens, as recently reported. In a nationally televised address, Bush defended his right to ignore the law in these cases in order to fulfill his obligation to protect American citizens against terrorists. Yet he has never explained why he needs to ignore the law in order to protect us against terrorists. And given the ease with which Bush has been able to obtain FISA warrants, the most plausible reason for his choosing to bypass them, as explained in this insightful analysis by understandinglife, is his desire to spy on his domestic political opponents.

What these examples have in common is that Bush has determined that he has the right to exempt himself from any law as long as he CLAIMS that he is doing it to protect American citizens during wartime. Since our current “War on Terrorism” is not likely to end any time in the foreseeable future, that means that Bush is claiming this right for an indefinite period of time. And as kliljedahl has pointed out in a recent post, if he can unilaterally take away the Fourth Amendment rights of American citizens against unreasonable search and seizure, what is to prevent him from unilaterally taking away ALL of our constitutional rights? – as long as he claims that he is doing it to protect us. And isn’t this the definition of dictatorship?

But what is even more troubling to me than Bush’s actions is the lack of reaction against them. This should be a scandal of the highest magnitude. Yet all we hear from Congress is murmurings about impeachment, our news media doesn’t appear to think that this is a major problem, and there isn’t much outrage among most of the populace either.

Where is the outrage? If Bush can get away with this, might he not eventually decide to dismiss Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation into the numerous crimes of his Administration? – for national security reasons of course. Or how about calling off the 2006 and 2008 elections because they endanger our security? What would stop him from doing that? As Senator Feingold recently said:


The President believes that he has the right to override the laws that Congress has passed. This is not how our democratic system of government works. The President does not get to pick and choose which laws he wants to follow. He is a president, not a king.

This is very similar to an earlier statement made by Al Gore on Bush’s policy of pre-emptive war, where he called it a doctrine that would replace “a world in which states consider themselves subject to law” with “the notion that there is no law but the discretion of the President of the United States.” In other words, Bush’s attitudes towards domestic law and international law are pretty much identical: Laws do not apply to him.


The Bush regime has much in common with Nazi Germany of the 1930s

A few months ago I posted this comparison of the Bush regime with the Nazis of the 1930s. Differences and similarities are cited. Among the similarities are:

 Lied to their country to justify going to war
 Extra-ordinary control over the national news media
 Utter contempt for international opinion
 Ascension to and maintenance of power was illegitimate (Bush’s more so)
 Used a terrorist attack as an excuse to assume dictatorial powers
 Appealed to virulent nationalistic impulses of their people in order to maintain their power
 Policies reflect great callousness towards the well being of the most vulnerable citizens of their country


Our national news media is way too servile to the regime

Bill Moyers, in his editorial entitled “The Fight of Our Lives”, notes that the protection offered us by our First Amendment is based on the assumption of a separation of our government and a free press, which is supposed to protect us from government abuses. Moyers goes on:


What would happen, however, if the contending giants of big government and big publishing and broadcasting ever joined hands, ever saw eye to eye in putting the public's need for news second to free-market economics? That's exactly what's happening now under the ideological banner of "deregulation". Giant media conglomerates that our founders could not possibly have envisioned are finding common cause with an imperial state in a betrothal certain to produce not the sons and daughters of liberty but the very kind of bastards that issued from the old arranged marriage of church and state.

Consider the situation. Never has there been an administration so disciplined in secrecy, so precisely in lockstep in keeping information from the people at large and -- in defiance of the Constitution -- from their representatives in Congress. Never has the powerful media oligopoly ... been so unabashed in reaching like Caesar for still more wealth and power. Never have hand and glove fitted together so comfortably to manipulate free political debate, sow contempt for the idea of government itself, and trivialize the peoples' need to know.



Our election system – the basis for our democracy – is largely broken

Today we find ourselves in a situation where votes are counted by computer software that is written in secret and made inaccessible to the public, with the rationale that the machines and software that count our votes are “proprietary”. Is that situation different than giving one Party a box of paper ballots and allowing them to count them and determine the winner in private?

The corporations that make the computers and software that count our votes donate large amounts of money to the Republican Party. Some of these men are convicted felons. And nobody questions the fact that it is possible to secretly program their computers to rig an election.

Our Republican legislators fight tooth and nail to maintain the right of THEIR voting machine companies to count our votes using secret, proprietary software. Does that sound like a democracy? Yet few of our citizens are alarmed about this. What possible reason could there be for fighting for the right to count our votes with secret software other than the intention to steal elections?


Conclusions

History shows us that most civilizations eventually fail, and that republics frequently turn into dictatorships. It is doubtful that the United States is immune to this fate, and it is currently showing many signs that dictatorship may be just around the corner. It is yet possible that we may reverse course and maintain our democracy and our constitution. If so, it will take a willingness to confront the seriousness of our situation, and a lot of commitment and courage from of a lot of people.

Original DU Thread w/mega links: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=67175

Would it were possible, to kick and recommend your outstanding posts. I've bookmarked and promise to do a better job of looking out for your outstanding work. Thank you for sharing these, Time for Change.

[Octafish]

138. Hitler. Rockefeller. Harriman. Dulles. Bush. Dulles. Bush. Bush.

The Evolution of Fascist Ideology

Interview with a Prosecutor

By interview by John Buchanan
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 2, October 24, 2003

EXCERPT...

(Former US Attorney John) Loftus - Yes, they should have been tried for treason, because they continued to support Hitler after the US entered the war. As a former prosecutor, I could have made that case.

(Reporter and GOP Presidential Candidate John) Buchanan - What do you think their true motives were in betraying their country for profit?

Loftus - It was a perfect example of spin, before the term was even invented. Their goal was that no matter which side won the war, their international industrial cartel would survive and prosper. They had a perfect set-up - a bank in New York (UBC), one in Holland (Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart), and one in Germany (August Thyssen Bank). They were prepared for anything that could have happened. They wanted to avoid exactly what happened to Fritz Thyssen after WWI. That was the whole point. He had lost many of his major businesses, and they came up with a better way to prepare for the Second World War.
Buchanan - How did they manage the cover-up after the first seizures in 1942 and continue with their dealings until 1951, when Thyssen died in Argentina?

Loftus - They brought in John Foster Dulles and Sullivan and Cromwell, and his brother Allen in Europe. The Dulles brothers put into effect a cloaking arrangement’ that was reflected in the records of Brown Brothers Harriman. There was one account - Brown Brothers Schroeder Rock - that was a cloaking account at Schroeder Bank. The Rock was the Rockefellers.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_loftus_interview

Need to get to a printer in order to digest all the new stuff on your threads, Time for change. Really appreciate you bringing them up.

[BrklynLiberal]

73. The absolute, terrrifying truth

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

[Peter Frank]

88. Excellent post...

Not unlike the legendary experiment where a frog placed in hot water will immediately hop away. Whereas a frog placed in cold water which is heated gradually, will become the main ingredient for the soup Nazi.

[BrklynLiberal]

100. the truth.... unvarnished

[greiner3]

74. B*** is the perfect candidate;

NOT!

He just sucks!

[Octafish]

94. Bush is the Manchurian Moron.

The guy's as programmed as any coke-addled, drunken psychotic monkey can be.

He said it best:

"Hey, listen. I know I'm just a media creation.
I've never done anything.
I've worked in Baseball.
I worked for my dad. But none of that on a resume will get you a job as the Governor."
-George W. Bush

So how DID he get to the top of the dung heap?

[DrDebug]

97. The old strategy of pardoning the guy before you

That is why Ford was vice president under Nixon, because he had already proven that he was able to cover up the JFK assassination which meant that he was not only up for promotion, but that he could once again be relied upon to cover up for Nixon and that is exactly what he did by pardonning Nixon.

President Gerald Ford Speech - Pardoning Richard Nixon

On September 8, 1974, one month after President Richard Nixon resigned the presidency amid the Watergate scandal, his successor, President Gerald R. Ford, announced his decision to grant Nixon a full pardon for any crimes he may have committed while in office.

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/ford.htm

Reagan-Bush was different of course, because even though Reagan technically won the primaries, it was clear that Bush was going to be in charge and that's exactly what he did for the next eight years.

Quayle was another weird vice president, but the reason for his candidacy is already listed above and just like Ford he was appointed to clean up after Bush if necessary. Lucky for him he didn't need to because Bush pardonned his buddies in the various scandals after he lost the elections to Clinton.

But still who was going pardon Bush? How about Bush pardonning Bush?

Washington Post, November 1, 2001
Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez

The Bush White House has drafted an executive order that would usher in a new era of secrecy for presidential records and allow an incumbent president to withhold a former president's papers even if the former president wanted to make them public.

The five page draft would also require members of the public seeking particular documents to show "at least a demonstrated, specific need" for them before they would be considered for release.

Historians and others who have seen the proposed order called it unprecedented and said it would turn the 1978 Presidential Records Act on its head by allowing such materials to be kept secret "in perpetuity."

Under the order, incumbent and former presidents "could keep their records locked up for as long as they want", said Bruce Craig, Executive Director of the National Coordinating Committee for the Promotion of History. "It reverses the very premise of the Presidential Records Act, which provides for a systematic release of presidential records after 12 years.”….

"Absent compelling circumstances," the incumbent president will concur in the former president's privilege decision, the draft order states. But if the incumbent president does not agree on a former president's decision to grant access, "the incumbent president may independently order the archivist to withhold privileged records".

The order would work "like a one-way ratchet," said Scott Nelson, an attorney for the Public Citizen Litigation Group. "If the former president says the records are privileged, they will remain secret even if the sitting president disagrees. If the sitting president says they should be privileged, they remain secret even if the former president disagrees."

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vm,deadly,1991,11,1,04,pt4.htm

( 2001 - 12 = 1989 = start of George H.W. Bush presidency )

Even in the rare case that Senior gets a change of heart and suddenly develops a conscience, it is no longer possible to know what he did as a president, because Junior simply denies him access to his own files. After all Dick Cheney is running the place and worked with Poppy as well and he doesn't want the truth to emerge...

[Octafish]

101. Alito's Ugly Association

The BFEE are experts in the impeachment insurance business. For decades, they've built up the presence of the Feudalist Society in the just-us division.

Alito's ugly association

His membership in a racist, reactionary group at Princeton reveals the unsavory face of conservatism.

By Joe Conason

Jan. 13, 2006 | It's easy to tell when conservatives feel most embarrassed by a particular political revelation because indignation immediately swells while memory grows dim. Whatever the outcome of Samuel Alito's Supreme Court nomination, his membership in the Concerned Alumni of Princeton is the kind of issue that conservatives clearly prefer to avoid.

They don't like to be reminded of their historical opposition to civil rights, their continuing hostility to the advancement of minorities, or their bad habit of coddling and cultivating bigots.

That is why Sen. Orrin Hatch angrily demanded to know why anyone would dare ask Alito about CAP, why Sen. Lindsay Graham theatrically apologized to Alito and his family about the controversy, and why author Dinesh D'Souza, who once edited the organization's magazine, dismissed the subject as a "diversion." That is why Fox News and the conservative media are exploiting his wife's tears to suggest that those questions were somehow illegitimate.

That is also why Alito himself has claimed to be unable to recall his decision to join the reactionary group of wealthy Princeton graduates (founded in 1972), which became notorious for its opposition to women and minorities on campus, its vicious bigotry against homosexuals, and its defense of the interests of affluent white male alumni and their sons. A convenient credential back when he was applying for a post in the Reagan administration, where his résumé would be perused only by like-minded right-wingers, membership in CAP became troublesome under the hot lights of a Supreme Court nomination hearing.

Perhaps under coaching from the White House, Alito came up with a canned, flag-waving justification for joining such a group: to defend the right of the Reserve Officers Training Corps to remain on campus -- an explanation that emphasizes patriotism and duty rather than prejudice and privilege.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2006/01/13/alito_controversy/print.html

Many are the times I've hoped against hope that they aren't what they appear. They are worse than fascists.

What the name of their Octopus is, I don't know.

I do know: Fighting these traitors is a most unpleasant occupation. The truth is dark and ugly and confusing. Without the presence of brave and true Friends, it would be impossible.

Most imporantly: I truly appreciate your generous help and your outstanding work, DrDebug. Anyone who wants to learn about the assassination of President Kennedy needs to read your work.

http://www.demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/User:DrDebug



Thanks for giving a damn, DrDebug! You are one of the reasons we have a chance to beat these ruthless bedwetters.

[DrDebug]

104. Thanks. Well I think it'll take a long time to undo the BFEE Octopus

The link doesn't work since it contains a : in the URL.
This one is correct: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/User%3ADrDebug

The whole story is more complex, and it needs some updating as well, since some things are slightly different. The messageboard of Spartacus still contains many interesting stories as well especially concerning how they did it.

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Octafish you have taught me plenty and shown many routes and documents which I never expected to find. If I compare my knowledge to a year ago then the difference is immense. I started posting here because I refused to believe that George Bush won the 2004 elections and as far I am concerned it has been proven, but I never knew that politics was this messy. I don't know how it can be resolved either. I think it'll take many years, many decades to undo the Octopus. I'm not that optimistic anymore, however I am not the only one who has learned a lot. I see many people on that journey and knowledge is increasing at a tremendous speed and they can't stop it no matter how hard they try. Things will change eventually, but it'll be a long road to freedom.

The problem is the sheer magnitude of their operations, however the main theme is corruption. Each person seems to drag the other person along since he is corrupt.

And that's the scenario which gets repeated over and over again. The whole BFEE doesn't even like one-another, however one person has dirt on another person so that person is used at random and when the roles are reversed. So this Octopus binds people together based on their scandals and since they are involved in one scandal means that they can be used in another scandal.

The end result is that the shit piles up and floats to top, hence the giant turd called George W. Bush. This guy is a simpleton and totally unqualified to be a president, but the only reason why he got elected is the enormous amount of dirt Junior gathered already since his life consisted of parties and having fun and using his family connections for anything and everything. So junior had an enormously shady past and therefore has the ability for unlimited amounts of additional dirt, because once you've done A, it means that you have to do B as well.

[mitchum]

85. RECOMMENDED and thanks again, Octafish

[Octafish]

96. CIFA -- The Pentagon's COINTELPRO

Gee. The more gangsters change, the more NAZIs stay the same.

Most everyone I know who served in World War II says the same thing: Bush and Company are just like the fascist bastards they fought.

One small group think they're worthy to rule the globe, kill all who oppose them, kill all they deem enemies of the state, enslave the rest, and loot the planet -- all in the name of God.

CIFA: The Pentagon’s COINTELPRO

By Kurt Nimmo

The Washington Post reports today:

The White House is considering expanding the power of a little-known Pentagon agency called the Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, which was created three years ago. The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from an office that coordinates Pentagon security efforts—including protecting military facilities from attack—to one that also has authority to investigate crimes within the United States such as treason, foreign or terrorist sabotage or even economic espionage.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, defines treason as follows:

Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

If we are to believe this news item, the freshly minted and tasked CIFA will investigate people with questionable “allegiance” to the Bush administration. Princeton University’s WordNet defines allegiance as “the loyalty that citizens owe to their country (or subjects to their sovereign)” and a synonym is fealty, defined as fidelity owed by a vassal to a feudal lord.

Of course, we long ago issued a Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights precisely to throw off a tyrannical monarch. Now we have another one.


CIFA’s abilities would increase considerably under the proposal being reviewed by the White House, which was made by a presidential commission on intelligence chaired by retired appellate court judge Laurence H. Silberman and former senator Charles S. Robb (D-Va.). The commission urged that CIFA be given authority to carry out domestic criminal investigations and clandestine operations against potential threats inside the United States.

Be afraid. Laurence H. Silberman “is a long-time, right wing political activist closely tied to the neo-conservative network that led the pro-war propaganda campaign,” according to Jim Lobe. “In 1980, when he served as part of former Republican president Ronald Reagan’s senior campaign staff, he played a key role in setting up secret contacts between the Reagan-Bush campaign and the Islamic government in Tehran, in what became known as the ‘October Surprise’ controversy.” In other words, Silberman is a criminal co-conspirator who helped Reagan fix the 1980 election by entering in an agreement with the Iranians (who were supposedly enemies of the United States) to not release the hostages (mostly CIA agents) until after the election. Silberman also served as deputy attorney general under Nixon. It should be remembered the Nixon White House targeted the civil rights and antiwar movements for disruption, using on-campus informants to infiltrate and in many cases to disrupt legal protests and activism (under the FBI’s COINTELRPO, members of the Black Panthers and the American Indian Movement were victims of targeted assassination; see COINTELPRO: The Untold American Story).

CONTINUED...

http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=537&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Thank you for giving a damn, mitchum!



Fighting the reich is a sport for the brave.
It's a lot easier to be brave when there are brave people all around -- all on the side of Truth.

[stevietheman]

89. Yeah, Godwin's Law has lost all relevance with recent...

developments regarding a now-crystal-clear fascist regime we're dealing with here.

I was saying "proto-fascist" up until we found out about the warrantless spying, Bush's overriding on torture, and his ramp-up to yet another manufactured war.

Yes, we really do have Nazis in power now.

So, what are we going to do about them? Isn't this beyond politics now?

[Octafish]

98. Lapham on US Fascism -- We Now Live in a Fascist State

Lapham on US Fascism

We Now Live in a Fascist State

by Lewis H. Lapham

Knowing the source of this piece makes it all the more disturbing. It is not every day that the editor of a respected national magazine publishes an essay claiming that America is not on the road to becoming, but ALREADY IS, a fascist state.... or words to that affect.

To help prepare you for what follows, here are the final sentence from this piece.... (I think we can look forward with confidence to character-building bankruptcies, picturesque bread riots, thrilling cavalcades of splendidly costumed motorcycle police.)

On message By Lewis H. Lapham Harper's Magazine, October 2005, pps. 7-9

"But I venture the challenging statement that if American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, then Fascism and Communism, aided, unconsciously perhaps, by old-line Tory Republicanism, will grow in strength in our land." -Franklin D. Roosevelt, November 4, 1938

In 1938 the word "fascism" hadn't yet been transferred into an abridged metaphor for all the world's unspeakable evil and monstrous crime, and on coming across President Roosevelt's prescient remark in one of Umberto Eco's essays, I could read it as prose instead of poetry -- a reference not to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse or the pit of Hell but to the political theories that regard individual citizens as the property of the government, happy villagers glad to wave the flags and wage the wars, grateful for the good fortune that placed them in the care of a sublime leader. Or, more emphatically, as Benito Mussolini liked to say, "Everything in the state. Nothing outside the state. Nothing against the state."

The theories were popular in Europe in the 1930s (cheering crowds, rousing band music, splendid military uniforms), and in the United States they numbered among their admirers a good many important people who believed that a somewhat modified form of fascism (power vested in the banks and business corporations instead of with the army) would lead the country out of the wilderness of the Great Depression -- put an end to the Pennsylvania labor troubles, silence the voices of socialist heresy and democratic dissent. Roosevelt appreciated the extent of fascism's popularity at the political box office; so does Eco, who takes pains in the essay "Ur-Fascism," published in The New York Review of Books in 1995, to suggest that it's a mistake to translate fascism into a figure of literary speech. By retrieving from our historical memory only the vivid and familiar images of fascist tyranny (Gestapo firing squads, Soviet labor camps, the chimneys at Treblinka), we lose sight of the faith-based initiatives that sustained the tyrant's rise to glory. The several experiments with fascist government, in Russia and Spain as well as in Italy and Germany, didn't depend on a single portfolio of dogma, and so Eco, in search of their common ground, doesn't look for a unifying principle or a standard text. He attempts to describe a way of thinking and a habit of mind, and on sifting through the assortment of fantastic and often contradictory notions -- Nazi paganism, Franco's National Catholicism, Mussolini's corporatism, etc. -- he finds a set of axioms on which all the fascisms agree. Among the most notable:

* The truth is revealed once and only once.

* Parliamentary democracy is by definition rotten because it doesn't represent the voice of the people, which is that of the sublime leader.

* Doctrine outpoints reason, and science is always suspect.

* Critical thought is the province of degenerate intellectuals, who betray the culture and subvert traditional values.

* The national identity is provided by the nation's enemies.

* Argument is tantamount to treason.

CONTINUED...

http://organicconsumers.org/Politics/harpers101205.cfm

http://www.harpers.org/LewisLapham.html

Thank you for standing up and stating what you think correct, stevietheman. Thanks also for giving a damn.

No offense to Godwin, but he's wrong. He or she should read Russ Bellant's excellent work on the subject of the new Right and Old NAZIs.

http://www.publiceye.org/bellant/old_nazis.html

Reading DU helps, too.

[stevietheman]

99. Thanks for the links

and re: Godwin's Law, it's not really a law at any rate. I've suspected that it's actually a meme invented by the Reich Wing to suppress criticism of them.

[AntiFascist]

112. Warning about the Russ Bellant book...

Could this be the real "little red book" that the government doesn't want you to read? I've heard that requesting it at certain libraries can draw the attention of FBI agents. I ordered my copy over the internets.

[oasis]

90. A kick in hopes this thread is read and bookmarked thru MLK weekend. A

reminder that the struggle for peace and justice didn't die with Dr. King.

Thanks Octafish for your continued help in lighting the way.

[DrDebug]

92. The Truth Must Be Told and The Truth Shall Set You Free

Martin Luther King
"Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"
April 30, 1967, Riverside Church, New York

The sermon which I am preaching this morning in a sense is not the usual kind of sermon, but it is a sermon and an important subject, nevertheless, because the issue that I will be discussing today is one of the most controversial issues confronting our nation. I'm using as a subject from which to preach, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam."

Now, let me make it clear in the beginning, that I see this war as an unjust, evil, and futile war. I preach to you today on the war in Vietnam because my conscience leaves me with no other choice. The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery. Freedom is still the bonus we receive for knowing the truth. "Ye shall know the truth," says Jesus, "and the truth shall set you free." Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal.

(...)

Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined French and Japanese occupation. And incidentally, this was before the Communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. And this is a little-known fact, and these people declared themselves independent in 1945. They quoted our Declaration of Independence in their document of freedom, and yet our government refused to recognize them. President Truman said they were not ready for independence. So we fell victim as a nation at that time of the same deadly arrogance that has poisoned the international situation for all of these years. France then set out to reconquer its former colony. And they fought eight long, hard, brutal years trying to re-conquer Vietnam. You know who helped France? It was the United States of America. It came to the point that we were meeting more than eighty percent of the war costs. And even when France started despairing of its reckless action, we did not. And in 1954, a conference was called at Geneva, and an agreement was reached, because France had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. But even after that, and after the Geneva Accord, we did not stop. We must face the sad fact that our government sought, in a real sense, to sabotage the Geneva Accord. Well, after the French were defeated, it looked as if independence and land reform would come through the Geneva agreement. But instead the United States came and started supporting a man named Diem who turned out to be one of the most ruthless dictators in the history of the world. He set out to silence all opposition. People were brutally murdered because they raised their voices against the brutal policies of Diem. And the peasants watched and cringed as Diem ruthlessly rooted out all opposition. The peasants watched as all this was presided over by United States influence and by increasing numbers of United States troops who came to help quell the insurgency that Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was overthrown, they may have been happy, but the long line of military dictatorships seemed to offer no real change, especially in terms of their need for land and peace. And who are we supporting in Vietnam today? It's a man by the name of general Ky who fought with the French against his own people, and who said on one occasion that the greatest hero of his life is Hitler. This is who we are supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government and the press generally won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told.

(...)

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet/riversidetranscript.html

[oasis]

162. Thanks, great speech. I heard it again this morning on "Democracy Now".

:patriot:

[oasis]

93. kick for peace and justice.

[Octafish]

103. A made in USA terrorist: Luis Posada Carriles

Too many facts get boring. People like personal stories. Here's a friend of Poppy who's a terrorist, at best.

A made in USA terrorist: Luis Posada Carriles

By Celerino "Cele" Castillo III
Online Journal Guest Writer

May 19, 2005—For over a century, our government has made sure that we are never to be told the truth about anything that we have done to other people in Third World countries, especially in Latin America.

With the creation of the School of the Americas, a breeding ground for assassins, and the death squads, we became the greatest human rights violators in the world.

We have become the most hated country in the world, not because we practice democracy or value our freedom. We are hated because our government denies these basic principles to these people. The hate has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism, and, as they say, "the chickens have come home to roost with our own American-made terrorist, Luis Posada Carriles.

When I was posted in Central America, as a DEA agent, I saw Luis Posada and Felix Rodriguez, another American-made terrorist, at Illopango airport base in El Salvador. Joining them was a CIA asset, Venezuelan advisor Victor Rivera. They had become part of what was known as a CIA apparatus that did not have to answer to anyone. They were involved in drug trafficking, kidnapping, and the training of the death squads.

It was also at the height of the Iran-Contra investigation when I had documented these atrocities to my government. I could not understand how our government had assisted in having Posada escape from a Venezuelan prison, and then placing him at Illopango airport as a CIA asset, under the new name of Ramon Medina. He was now working hand in hand with then U. S. Lt. Col. Oliver North.

CONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_309.shtml

Thanks for giving a damn, oasis!

[BrklynLiberal]

102. and another peace and justice kick

[Octafish]

105. The Pentagon's 'Thought Police'

Perception Management. Media Manipulation. Computerized Proganda.

America: The Thought Police State.

The Pentagon's 'thought police'

By Linda S. Heard
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Jan 11, 2006, 02:16

The Pentagon's "Media Engagement Team" has set up shop in the region. Its members, consisting of military personnel and contractors approach various publications and ask for an appointment, whereby owners and editors are urged to publish "positive" stories concerning the US military's activities in the area.

On some occasions, the team receives a polite hearing. On others, it is shown the door. I find this Orwellian behaviour offensive on many different levels. I'll explain why.

The Media Engagement Team says proudly that their area of operations takes in 27 countries. What's the betting Britain isn't one of them? Imagine their turning up at the Guardian, for instance, which is less than flattering about the Pentagon's role in Iraq.

Would it have the effrontery to ask the Guardian's editor to "correct" some of his publication's stories? We know the answer. That would elicit a major scandal. So, why on earth, does the Pentagon feel it has the right to taint the integrity of regional publications?

Moreover, while the Pentagon is doing its best to disseminate "good news" stories throughout the Middle East, its reputation at home leaves a lot to be desired.

On November 12, the New York Times published an exposé of the Pentagon's Media Centre at Fort Bragg. "The 1,200-strong psychological operations unit based at Fort Bragg turns out what its officers call "truthful messages" to support the US government's objectives, though its commander acknowledges that those stories are one-sided and their American sponsorship is hidden."

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http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_408.shtml

Thank you for giving a damn, Brooklyn Liberal. Much obliged and much appreciated.

[BrklynLiberal]

106. I linked to this thread in the thread below.

The OP was trying to say that if we all just sit quietly, "this too shall pass". I thought your post was an excellent argument against such an inane point of view.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x140236

[dbeach]

108. operation paperclip and the treason of the dulles bros

invited this cancer and the nazification of the OSS ...later the CIA

Prescott Bush was the key insider who coordinated wall st monies through Fritz Thyleson to herr hitler..
this info is all avalable on the net.
in 1942 CONgress ordered bush to stop trading with the enemy.

all in national archives in MD
...bush was rewarded with a senators job from CT .

FWIW ... he was involved in the senate investigations of the "Winter Soldier"
and questioned JF Kerry

[Octafish]

126. Operation PAPERCLIP Welcomed NAZIs into USA

It wasn't just Werner Von Braun and the rocket scientists who were forgiven for war crimes. All the spies NAZI General Reinhard Gehlen could grab got a green card, including his NAZI spies who were working for the Soviets.

Operation Paperclip Casefile

- Dossier Compiled by Agent Orange (Fri, 08 Aug 1997)

EXCERPT...

Data-Points:

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"

However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."

The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.

The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied.

Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best interests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have."

When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infiltrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.

Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)

Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes.

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http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/project_paperclip.htm

Thanks for the important information, dbeach. Thanks also for giving a damn. You are a true patriot.

[robertpaulsen]

113. Kicked and bookmarked!

Sorry I missed this before. I'll try to think of some good examples to add.

:kick:

[robertpaulsen]

116. Got one: Bush believes Christ called him to war. Just like Hitler.

“I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on April 12, 1922; from Charles Bracelen Flood, Hitler: The Path to Power, Boston, Mass: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1989, pp. 261-262. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html


"According to Abbas, Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'"

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0630-04.htm

[Clara T]

117. God Works in Mysterious Ways They Say

[DrDebug]

123. Solving the problem by covering up a nuclear Walmart

Sometimes signatures contain gems.

AMERICAN JUDAS
Selling the Security of America and the World for 30 Pieces of Silver
By
Robert Paulsen

On July 14,2003, Robert Novak exposed Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent in his syndicated column. He sourced his story to two senior White House officials. It is important to understand that, as Plame’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson says, “Compromising the officer means compromising a career, a network, and every person with who the officer might have ever worked. Slips of the tongue cost people their lives.”(The Politics of Truth by Joseph Wilson, p. 13.)

What was the nature of this career, this network that was compromised? Joe Klein hints at the broad outlines of this nature. “Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House’s revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components.”

According to Wayne Madsen, the cover company that Plame was connected with was a CIA firm called Brewster, Jennings & Associates. “Active since 1994, Brewster-Jennings was instrumental in tracking the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and had agents or correspondents in a number of countries…Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included companies, government officials, and individuals associated with the nuclear smuggling network of Pakistan’s chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.”
Yet in spite of, or perhaps as a result of, the compromises resulting from the leak, the CIA helped expose Khan’s network, according to Newsweek.. It involves a CIA investigation into a company in Malaysia called Scomi connected with an A.Q. Khan “middleman” named Bukhari Sayed Abu Tahir. Last August, the company's name was found stamped in bold letters on five crates of centrifuge parts seized en route to Libya. Since then Scomi has been at the center of an international detective story that has uncovered an astonishing global nuclear-weapons "black market." All of it leads back to Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, who fathered the underground network. In pursuit of both profits and a kind of Islamic nuclear parity, Khan passed on equipment and know-how to Iran and Libya, and made offers to Iraq and most recently Syria, officials say. Khan also helped North Korea's covert program.

Is it possible that Plame’s “sting operation” directly tracked and helped expose the nuclear proliferation network of A.Q. Khan? If so, why was Plame’s operation exposed from the White House? Joe Klein says, “’Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll’ of the CIA, an intelligence source told me.” And Mohamed El Baradei says A.Q. Khan is just the tip of the nuclear iceberg. “Dr. Khan was not working alone,” International Atomic Energy Association chief Mohamed El Baradei told reporters, adding he had help from people in many countries.

Could Cheney have had a financial relationship with the Nuclear Walmart, which would have provided a motive for exposing Plame’s operation?

(...)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=66773

(Citations removed from excerpt. Full story with evidence at link above)

[Octafish]

130. The Bush-Dulles-NAZI Connection

Here's why Santayana said it was so important to remember history...

(Of course, it would be nice to hear about it in the first place.)

Sigh. Whatever happened to the press corps?

Nazis in the attic, part 6

By Randy Davis

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

...Like Nixon, George Bush was deeply involved with supporting the Nazis in the Republican's closet. In fact, support for the Nazis was a Bush family tradition which goes back more than six decades and, once again, to Allen Dulles.

Loftus and Aarons write: "The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career. It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of Wall Street were making their deals with the Nazis. . . ."

THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION

SNIP…

"Sullivan & Cromwell was not the only firm engaged in funding Germany. According to 'The Splendid Blond Beast,' Christopher Simpson's seminal history of the politics of genocide and profit, Brown Brothers, Harriman was another bank that specialized in investments in Germany. The key figure was Averill Harriman, a dominating figure in the American establishment. . . .

"The firm originally was known as W. A. Harriman & Company. The link between Harriman & Company's American investors and Thyssen started in the 1920s, through the Union Banking Corporation, which began trading in 1924. In just one three-year period, the Harriman firm sold more than $50 million of German bonds to American investors. 'Bert' Walker was Union Banking's president, and the firm was located in the offices of Averill Harriman's company at 39 Broadway in New York.

"In 1926 Bert Walker did a favor for his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush. It was the sort of favor families do to help their children make a start in life, but Prescott came to regret it bitterly. Walker made Prescott vice president of W. A. Harriman. The problem was that Walker's specialty was companies that traded with Germany. As Thyssen and the other German industrialists consolidated Hitler's political power in the 1930s, an American financial connection was needed. According to our sources, Union Banking became an out-and-out Nazi money-laundering machine. . . .

SNIP…

". . . In a November 1935 article in Common Sense, retired marine general Smedley D. Butler blamed Brown Brothers, Harriman for having the U.S. marines act like 'racketeers' and 'gangsters' in order to exploit financially the peasants of Nicaragua. . . .

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http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm

You are always welcome on any post of mine, robertpaulsen. At any time.

[UncleSepp]

115. Like a Nazi, touched for the very first... oops.

[Octafish]

139. Fascism, Anyone?

A chilling analysis:

Fascism Anyone?

Laurence W. Britt

Free Inquiry readers may pause to read the “Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles” on the inside cover of the magazine. To a secular humanist, these principles seem so logical, so right, so crucial. Yet, there is one archetypal political philosophy that is anathema to almost all of these principles. It is fascism. And fascism’s principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for. The cliché that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm.

We are two-and-a-half generations removed from the horrors of Nazi Germany, although constant reminders jog the consciousness. German and Italian fascism form the historical models that define this twisted political worldview. Although they no longer exist, this worldview and the characteristics of these models have been imitated by protofascist regimes at various times in the twentieth century. Both the original German and Italian models and the later protofascist regimes show remarkably similar characteristics. Although many scholars question any direct connection among these regimes, few can dispute their visual similarities.

Beyond the visual, even a cursory study of these fascist and protofascist regimes reveals the absolutely striking convergence of their modus operandi. This, of course, is not a revelation to the informed political observer, but it is sometimes useful in the interests of perspective to restate obvious facts and in so doing shed needed light on current circumstances.

For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

CONTINUED W/14 POINTS ...

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2

The 14 Points are:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

Gee. That pretty much sums up the BFEE.

[oasis]

119. Kick for the night owls.

[Octafish]

140. Dust off the Nuremberg Files.

In plain print: Justice for All.

Dust off the Nuremberg Files

Friday June 17, 2005 (0634 PST)
Anwaar Hussain

At Nuremberg, in early October 1945, the four prosecuting nations -- the United States, Great Britain, France and Russia -- issued an indictment against 24 men and six organizations of the Nazi Germany. Of that 24 only 21 eventually sat down in the trial. The individual defendants were charged not only with the systematic murder of millions of people, but also with planning and carrying out the war in Europe. Twelve Nazi officials were sentenced to be hanged, three sentenced to life in prison, four were given prison sentences of 10-20 years, and the rest were acquitted.

Presently, the ongoing American and British slaughter of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians constitutes a blatant war crime. Average legal skills should be able to prove that a similar case for the prosecution against the current coalition leaders can easily be constructed on comparable lines.

In September 2004, the incumbent UN Chief Kofi Annan made a very clear statement. Talking to BBC Annan said "the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter." Being the UN Chief, and the custodian of International law, he should have known what he was talking about.

The consequent unlawful war of aggression, the killing of civilians and abuse of prisoners constitute war crimes as clearly as the UN Chief's statement.

Here are the Nuremberg Trial indictments.

The Nuremberg Trial Counts One & Two: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War and Waging Aggressive War. The "common plan or conspiracy" charge was designed to get around the problem of how to deal with crimes committed before the war. The defendants charged under Count One were accused of agreeing to commit crimes. Accusation for Count Two was defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances."

Abundant evidence is now available that shows that leaders and advisers of the Bush and Blair administrations engaged in "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression." Iraq posed no threat to either the United States or Britain. Its government had neither the means nor the intent of waging war against these countries; nor did it issue any threat to them. It possessed no WMDs.

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http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=109580

Don't you just love South Asia journalism? They beat the WSJ and NYT every time.

Thanks for the kick and all you do, oasis! Your support and dedication to the truth give us all hope.

[bridgit]

120. Bush Family Oligarchy - Funding the Hitler Project...

http://watch.pair.com/reich.html

[Octafish]

141. America 2006 Is Germany 1930

More of the story, tinged with philosophy.

America 2006
Is
Germany 1930

Norman D. Livergood

We who live in the post-World War II period possess an immensely valuable symbol, even if we don't understand it or use it effectively: the example of Nazi Germany.

"The German experiment, except to those who are its victims, is particularly interesting, and, like the offer of a strong man to let himself be vivisected, should make a great contribution to political science. For the Germans are the most gifted and most highly educated people who ever devoted the full strength of a modern state to stopping the exchange of ideas; they are the most highly organized people who ever devoted all the coercive power of government to the abolition of their own intellectual life; they are the most learned people who ever pretended to believe that the premises and the conclusion of all inquiry may be fixed by political fiat." -- Walter Lippmann. (1936), The Good Society

An Unknown Episode In American History

Nazi Germany was created by the criminal cabal that currently rules the United States and much of the world. One of the early underlings of this cabal was Prescott Bulsh, Dubya's grandfather. Prescott Bush was a director of the Union Banking Corporation, which the U.S. government took over in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corporation stock shares, all of which were owned by E. Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Prescott Bush.

President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the Thyssen family of Germany and/or Hungary, nationals of a designated enemy country

This act by the U.S. government made it clear that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corporation were in essence front men for the Nazis. By keeping news of this seizure quiet, the American government avoided the more important issue: in what way were Hitler and his Nazi cohorts set up, armed, and supported by the New York and London cartel of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager?

On Oct. 28, 1942, the U.S. government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.

These were actions taken by the U.S. government during wartime, but Prescott Bush and his collaborators had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany. Harriman, Bush and the other cabal puppets had financed the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S. They had also helped in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with the slave labor and extermination camps as the result.

The cabal that controls America has moved as rapidly as possible to bring about the same conditions of dictatorship and fascism in the U.S. as it did in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The first major thrust toward fascism began during the Bush takeover of the Reagan presidency. During Bush Senior's (second) presidency he pulled off the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons crime, the savings-and-loan heist, the illegal use of U.S. military force to protect Bush's criminal collaboration with Manuel Noriega, his man in Panama, and many other crimes of state.


CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm

Thanks for the information about money makers. Light makes these cockroaches run.

[DemonFighterLives]

121. I'm having a hard time loading this thread

Computer even locked up 1/2 way down.

:tinfoilhat:

Kick and boodkmarked.
:dem:

[Octafish]

142. Sorry, DemonFighterLives. Here's the short version...

Laurence W. Britt stated things plainly...

The 14 Points of Fascism

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

Gee. That pretty much sums up what the BFEE has done to the United States of America.

He goes into detail here:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2

[DemonFighterLives]

146. Those 14 points make a slam dunk case

I showed a libertarian/part neocon that and I think she had a bulb light up. :idea:
Good Summary!
:yourock:

[Octafish]

160. How IBM helped the NAZIs

Can't forget Corporate America's role in all this:

How IBM helped the Nazis

IBM and the Holocaust By Edwin Black, Little Brown, ISBN 0-316-85769-6, Hardback

Book review by Peter Reydt
27 June 2001

IBM and the Holocaust tells the story of the involvement of this major US corporation in the establishment of Hitler’s Third Reich and the destruction of European Jewry.

Author Edwin Black shows how technology developed in America by Herman Hollerith—a punch card and punch card sorting system—enabled the Nazis to organise their war machine and carry through the efficient and systematic genocide of the Jews. At the time of the Nazi dictatorship, IBM had a near worldwide monopoly over the technology and the production of its vital ingredient—the punch cards.

Edwin Black is not new to the subject of the Holocaust. His parents were both Jews of European decent and survivors of the Holocaust. Black first encountered the punch card technology at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, where he saw a Hollerith card sorting machine on exhibition. He explains that it was then that questions started to nag at him—what role did this machine play for the Nazis? What was the role of IBM? This became the starting point for his investigation. In 1998, he began to pursue these questions vigorously, recruiting a team of researchers, interns, translators and assistants, until it comprised more than 100 people.

SNIP...

Black explains that ultimately, IBM helped the Nazis carry through their policy of genocide. Without this assistance, Hitler’s regime would not have been able to carry through its extermination plan with such efficiency. IBM’s machines were used at all stages of the persecution of the Jews. They collected the necessary information to identify the Nazis’ victims, first to enforce the bar on Jews working in certain academic, professional and government jobs and later to carry out mass evictions from their homes and into the ghettoes.

IBM technology was used to organise the railways, so that millions of Nazi’ victims could be transported to the concentration camps, where they were immediately led into the gas chambers. There were Hollerith departments at nearly every concentration camp, which registered the arrival of inmates, organised the allocation of slave labourers, and even kept tallies on the deaths of prisoners.

IBM was involved in virtually every aspect of the Third Reich’s operations. The book explains that the company leased, serviced and upgraded more than 2,000 IBM multi-machine sets throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout Nazi occupied Europe. IBM developed custom-designed cards used by the Nazis; with as many as 1.5 billion punch cards being produced in Germany annually.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/ibm-j27.shtml

More from the great Edwin Black:

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

Ford and Coca-Cola are just two more who need be called for a full accounting.

[oasis]

125. Kick: We must arm ourselves with information in the struggle for justice.

[Octafish]

143. Light scares the cockroach. Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism

As if we didn't have enough to worry about...

George Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism

Rev. Rich Lang
Trinity United Methodist Church Seattle. <[e-mail]>

02/14/04: (ICH) The men who wrote the Constitution of the United States knew that we human beings have a tendency to 'not get along with each other'. They knew that if power accrued into the hands of an elite the experiment of democracy (power spread out into the realm of the people) would be over. So they created a system of checks and balances which blocked access to any one person, or any one special interest or elite gaining too much power over others. Thus our executive, legislative and judicial branches of government "checked" each other. The media was yet another "check" on the accrual of too much power as was the Bill of Rights which was written into the Constitution. The system wasn't perfect but it kept alive the possibility of true democracy. It kept alive the dream that one day "we the people" could live in a peaceful commonwealth where every person has what they need to survive and thrive.

That dream died in December 2000 when the checks and balances of our Constitution collapsed and George Bush was inserted into the Presidency of the nited States. September 11, 2001 furthered the atrophying of democracy handing the country into the hands of an emerging Corporate (and I say Christian) Fascism.

Since that time we have witnessed and have been unable to prevent the emergence of an Imperial Presidency that has the unrestricted power to declare war against any country he chooses. The Imperial Presidency has brought to an end the Constitutional mandate that 'ONLY CONGRESS' has the authority to declare war. It has furthered weakened international law and has undermined the potential of the United Nations to spread democracy throughout the earth.

The President has also gained unrestricted power to round up unlimited numbers of American citizens and incarcerate them in military brigs or concentration camps for the rest of their lives. He can keep them from ever again communicating with friends, families, and attorneys, simply on the president's certification that the incarcerated are "terrorists," as he has done with Jose

Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi. The President may also now kill American citizens abroad solely on the basis of his certification that the one killed is a "terrorist". Just ask the family and friends of Ahmed Hijazi, anAmerican killed with a U.S.-fired missile in Yemen. Therefore suspending the Constitutional right: "no person shall be denied life, liberty or property without due process of law."

Ominous signs are all around us concerning the accrual of power into the hands of the Presidency. If Mr. Bush stays in office I think our future will continue to witness shrinking political rights, financial collapse and endless war. Part of the power and seduction of this administration emerges from its diabolical manipulation of Christian rhetoric. I want to flesh out the ideology of the Christian Fascism that Mr. Bush articulates. It is a form of Christianity that is the mirror opposite of what Jesus embodied. It is, indeed, the materialization of the spirit of antichrist: a perversion of Christian faith and practice.

CONTINUED...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5648.htm

Good thing Jesus talked about the Truth and setting us Free and all. Otherwise, things would be really problematic.

[Clara T]

144. Gott Mit Uns

El Cardinal Michael Faulhaber marcha entre las filas de los hombres de la  SA en una concentración Nazi en Munich.






http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/nazis.html

"You will make war when it suits us and keep peace when it doesn't And in return you shall have the support of my newspapers, and the delight of imagining that you are a great statesman."
-Undershaft, the armament maker, in Bernard Shaw's "Major Barbara," Act III, 1905

[oasis]

145. Thanks Octafish. A powerful article by Rev. Rich Lang. He illustrates

how we Americans arrived at our present situation. Lang gives a short history of what has become known as PNAC and how its goals have become easily adapted by the messiah/holy warrior Bush.

Bush and the christo-facists could care less about global warming because they believe the world will not be here 100 years from now.:wow:

An excellent study.

128. Look who is smiling at the September 11 Memorial Service

Why in the world would Mr. and Mrs. Bush be smiling? It is quite ghoulish.

[pauldp]

129. A picture tells a thousand words. n/t

[Octafish]

149. "Be calm, Junior. It all will work out."

Poppy's used to it.

One thing's for sure: They have no shame.



Once a cheerleader, always a cheerleader.

[RBHam]

131. 9-11 has proven most useful to the Bush Regime, no?

[Octafish]

150. Most useful. That's why I say to everybody: "BUSH KNEW!"

A handy compendium of stories of BFEE pre-knowledge of 9-11:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen

Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation
Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.
A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

The missile system, dubbed Spada, was erected along Italy's Adriatic coast during Nato's 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia.

SNIP...

The millionaire terrorist, Osama bin Laden, has been linked to an alleged plot to assassinate the US president, George Bush.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Bush Knew

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

SNIP...

According to court documents, Bath swore that in 1977 he represented four prominent and wealthy Saudi Arabians as a trustee and used his name on their investments in the United States. In return, he received a 5 percent interest in their deals. Time reporters Beaty and Gwynne suggest in their book that the $50,000 Bath invested in Dubya's Arbusto Energy drilling company may have belonged to Bath's Saudi clients since the Houston businessman "had no substantial money of his own at the time."

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

[yurbud]

132. I love that first pic--it looks like he's trying to figure out how to jump

out that little window

[Octafish]

154. He's wearing the expression of a defeated NAZI.

But he parties like it's 1984.

[rman]

134. Much of the 'US - Nazi' network is covered in

JFK II: The Bush Connection
http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv

It makes a very compelling case.

[Octafish]

153. Great video. Here's another thing: The Case of Nazis in the CIA

Regarding NAZIs, here's where so many came from:

The Case of Nazis in the CIA

The Gehlen Org: From OSS to CIA

During World War II, the OSS had infiltrated nearly two hundred agents into the Third Reich--almost three times as many as had been sent by Britain. Its operatives were inserted into almost every militarily significant city from Vienna to Berlin, Munich to Bremen. In all, over 70 cities had been salted with OSS spy teams by war's end.

The casualties had been heavy, but not exorbitant. Of the total number of agents that worked behind German lines, only thirty-six had been killed or captured. And of these, the majority were lost in the waning days of the war in the vicinity of the Last Redoubt of Bavaria. It was at this time that almost every civilian found on the road by the Gestapo was detained and questioned as to why they were not in uniform for the Fatherland, or at least under arms in a home defense unit. Even the best cover stories provided to the young OSS agents might fail such a test. Many did.

SNIP...

On April 1, 1945, a convoy of eleven trucks wound its way through Bavaria, traveling south from Berlin, away from the advancing Red Army who was at that moment conducting their own blitzkrieg through eastern Germany. Aboard the trucks were hand-picked German intelligence officers who guarded a very special cargo. Inside crates that had been carefully stacked and hidden under the canvas tops of the trucks were the most valued prizes of the head of German military intelligence: the files on Russia.

The purpose of the convoy was not to transport the documents to the Last Redoubt, but to remove them from harm's way altogether for use as future bargaining chips with the advancing Allies. For the files, which were the fruit of five years of intensive intelligence gathering on Russia, were now the personal property of a youthful 40 year-old general named Reinhard Gehlen. And with them, he planned on bargaining his way to a very special arrangement--with the Americans.

Reinhard Gehlen, known as Hitler's spy master, had overseen a huge organization of more than 3500 spies scattered throughout both Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. His top officers, Nazi zealots who had committed some of the most atrocious crimes of the war, had proven very effective in their efforts to extract information from prisoners and insert agents into Russia. The spies that were sent into the Soviet Union infiltrated not only the Red Army, but even the Soviet General Staff. The records Gehlen had amassed over the previous four years would be invaluable to the Allies--especially a select group of very interested Americans. Now it was only a question of saving the files and making the proper contacts on the American side. Gehlen was confident a suitable arrangement could be made for not only himself, but his organization.

CONTINUED...

http://www.riflewarrior.com/case_of_nazis_in_the_cia.htm

Thanks for the heads-up on that video, rman. If I could figure out how to download it, I'd send it far and wide. As is, the link goes out among the internets.

[DrDebug]

136. Kick

> Let facts speak for themselves
68 pages excerpts; 2.6Mb thread; at least 1000 pages when expanded in full.

> My new year’s resolution is to keep things simple.

[oasis]

137. Another kick.

[Octafish]

156. Col. Theodore Westhusing -- another victim of the BFEE

Wonder why the DEMs show so little spine?

Wayne Madsen had the scoop, and an alert blogger's compiled a couple more links.

Army's Top Ethicist Murdered in Iraq

Serious questions remain concerning Col. Westhusing's "suicide" in Iraq. Army's chief ethics expert was murdered, according to Carlyle Group insider.

According an informed source within The Carlyle Group business consortium, Col. Ted Westhusing, the Army's top military ethicist and professor at West Point, did not commit suicide in a Baghdad trailer in June 2005 as was widely reported in the mainstream media five months later. At the time of his death, Westhusing was investigating contract violations and human rights abuses by US Investigations Services (USIS), formerly a federal agency, the Office of Federal Investigations (OFI), which operated under the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

SNIP...

WMR can report that based on information obtained from Carlyle insiders, Col. Westhusing's death was not caused by suicide. The fact that Westhusing was investigating one of the most politically and financially powerful firms in the world resulted in higher-ups wanting him out of the way. According to the Los Angeles Times, all of the witnesses who claimed Westhusing shot himself were USIS employees. In addition, a USIS manager interfered with the crime scene, including handling Westhusing's service revolver. The USIS manager was not tested for gunpowder residue on his hands.

Westhusing's investigation threatened to unearth a network of fraudsters looting the US Treasury that included the Bush family and some of their closest financial partners. After Westhusing's murder, USIS management sent a vaguely-worded memo to employees about how to respond to derogatory information in the media or rumors about USIS. Management's attention, described as "psychotic" in nature, was on USIS's upcoming IPO (initial public offering), according to a well-placed source.

USIS also owns Total Information Services of Tulsa, Oklahoma, a commercial personal data mining operation.

CONTINUED...

http://loadedmouth.com/node/2727

This should be front-page news, but it seems to have been forgotten.

[Octafish]

157. Heh heh. Yeah. That was my intent. Sorry about that, Chief.

If I could go into the Way Back Machine, the OP would run like this:


The truth be known, George Walker Bush is most un-American.

Bush, the public front for the Bush Family Evil Empire, supports the goals of the NAZIs in word and deed.

Don’t believe me? No problem. Let facts speak for themselves:


Bush Steals Elections. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Let Down America's Guard, Enabling the "New Pearl Harbor." Like the NAZIs.
Bush Looted the National Treasury. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Enriched Connected Friends. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Lied to Make a Case for War. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Attacked an Innocent Nation. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Tortures Prisoners, Even Children. Like the NAZIs.
Bush Spies on His Own People. Like the NAZIs.

So. Which NAZI has come closer to destroying America? The 20th Century NAZIs or the Crazy Monkey?


Like a racetrack crook who’s in on the fixed trifecta, my money’s on Bush.


PS: I know these aren’t 14, but, like I said… Simple.

PPS: For completeness sake:

What Laurence W. Britt said ...

The 14 Points of Fascism

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

Gee. That pretty much sums up what the BFEE has done to the United States of America.

He goes into detail here:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2

Let’s do this again, real soon, DrDebug. Nothing scares these cockroaches like the light of day.

[DrDebug]

161. Point 15. Put out false information in the Press (Operation Mockingbird)

Journalists paid to write for military Web site
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6915347/

Education Dept. paid commentator to promote law
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm

What would this thread be without Operation Mockingbird. Just a friendly reminded that the author of this document has graciously put the document into public domain after the information was censored and it took an editorial in the Guardian to get it back in the search engines. ( http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3544 ) Courtesy of John Simkin.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
- William Colby, former CIA Director

Operation Mockingbird is a Central Intelligence Agency operation to influence domestic and foreign media discovered during the Church Committee investigation in 1975 (published 1976):

"The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda. These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets." (23).

History

In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects (OSP). Soon afterwards OSP was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world." (1)

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic and foreign media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles." (2)

In 1951 Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal organizations he had been a member of in the later 1940s. (3) According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird's "principal operative". (4)

One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), Charles Douglas Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). (5) According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work. (6)

After 1953 the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. By this time Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. These organizations were run by people with well-known right-wing views such as William Paley (CBS), Henry Luce (Time Magazine and Life Magazine), Arthur Hays Sulzberger (New York Times), Alfred Friendly (managing editor of the Washington Post), Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal), James Copley (Copley News Services) and Joseph Harrison (Christian Science Monitor). (7)

The Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) was funded by siphoning of funds intended for the Marshall Plan. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers. Frank Wisner was constantly looked for ways to help convince the public of the dangers of communism. In 1954 Wisner arranged for the funding the Hollywood production of Animal Farm, the animated allegory based on the book written by George Orwell. (8)

According to Alex Constantine (Mockingbird: The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA), in the 1950s, "some 3,000 salaried and contract CIA employees were eventually engaged in propaganda efforts". Wisner was also able to restrict newspapers from reporting about certain events. For example, the CIA plots to overthrow the governments of Iran (See: Operation PBSUCCESS) and Guatemala (See: Operation Ajax). (9)

Thomas Braden, head of the of International Organizations Division (IOD), played an important role in Operation Mockingbird. Many years later he revealed his role in these events:

"If the director of CIA wanted to extend a present, say, to someone in Europe - a Labour leader - suppose he just thought, This man can use fifty thousand dollars, he's working well and doing a good job - he could hand it to him and never have to account to anybody... There was simply no limit to the money it could spend and no limit to the people it could hire and no limit to the activities it could decide were necessary to conduct the war - the secret war.... It was a multinational. Maybe it was one of the first. Journalists were a target, labor unions a particular target - that was one of the activities in which the communists spent the most money." (10)

Part of the Directorate of Plans

In August, 1952, the Office of Policy Coordination and the Office of Special Operations (the espionage division) were merged to form the Directorate of Plans (DPP). Frank Wisner became head of this new organization and Richard Helms became his chief of operations. Mockingbird was now the responsibility of the DPP. (11)

J. Edgar Hoover became jealous of the CIA's growing power. He described the OPC as "Wisner's gang of weirdos" and began carrying out investigations into their past. It did not take him long to discover that some of them had been active in left-wing politics in the 1930s. This information was passed to who started making attacks on members of the OPC. Hoover also gave McCarthy details of an affair that Frank Wisner had with Princess Caradja in Romania during the war. Hoover, claimed that Caradja was a Soviet agent. (12)

Joseph McCarthy also began accusing other senior members of the CIA as being security risks. McCarthy claimed that the CIA was a "sinkhole of communists" and claimed he intended to root out a hundred of them. One of his first targets was Cord Meyer, who was still working for Operation Mockingbird. In August, 1953, Richard Helms, Wisner's deputy at the OPC, told Meyer that Joseph McCarthy had accused him of being a communist. The Federal Bureau of Investigation added to the smear by announcing it was unwilling to give Meyer "security clearance". However, the FBI refused to explain what evidence they had against Meyer. Allen W. Dulles and both came to his defence and refused to permit a FBI interrogation of Meyer. (13)

Joseph McCarthy did not realise what he was taking on. Wisner unleashed Mockingbird on McCarthy. Drew Pearson, Joe Alsop, Jack Anderson, Walter Lippmann and Ed Murrow all went into attack mode and McCarthy was permanently damaged by the press coverage orchestrated by Wisner. (14)

Guatemala

Mockingbird was very active during the overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala during Operation PBSUCCESS. People like Henry Luce were able to censor stories that appeared too sympathetic towards the plight of Arbenz. Allen W. Dulles was even able to keep left- wing journalists from travelling to Guatemala, including Sydney Gruson of the New York Times. (15)

In 1955 President Dwight Eisenhower established the 5412 Committee in order to keep a check on the CIA's covert activities. The committee (also called the Special Group) included the CIA director, the national security adviser, and the deputy secretaries at State and Defence and had the responsibility to decide whether covert actions were "proper" and in the national interest. It was also decided to include Richard B. Russell, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. However, as Allen W. Dulles was later to admit, because of "plausible deniability" planned covert actions were not referred to the 5412 Committee.

Dwight Eisenhower became concerned about CIA covert activities and in 1956 appointed David Bruce as a member of the President's Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities (PBCFIA). Eisenhower asked Bruce to write a report on the CIA. It was presented to Eisenhower on 20th December, 1956. Bruce argued that the CIA's covert actions were "responsible in great measure for stirring up the turmoil and raising the doubts about us that exists in many countries in the world today." Bruce was also highly critical of Mockingbird. He argued: "what right have we to go barging around in other countries buying newspapers and handling money to opposition parties or supporting a candidate for this, that, or the other office." (16)

After Richard Bissell lost his post as Director of Plans in 1962, Tracy Barnes took over the running of Mockingbird. According to Evan Thomas (The Very Best Men) Barnes planted editorials about political candidates who were regarded as pro-CIA.

First exposure

In 1964 Random House published Invisible Government by David Wise and Thomas Ross. The book exposed the role the CIA was playing in foreign policy. This included the CIA coups in Guatemala (Operation PBSUCCESS) and Iran (Operation Ajax) and the Bay of Pigs operation. It also revealed the CIA's attempts to overthrow President Sukarno in Indonesia and the covert operations taking place in Laos and Vietnam. The CIA considered buying up the entire printing of Invisible Government but this idea was rejected when Random House pointed out that if this happened they would have to print a second edition. (17)

John McCone, the new director of the CIA, also attempted to stop Edward Yates from making a documentary on the CIA for the National Broadcasting Company (NBC). This attempt at censorship failed and NBC went ahead and broadcast this critical documentary.

In June, 1965, Desmond FitzGerald was appointed as head of the Directorate for Plans. He now took charge of Mockingbird. At the end of 1966 FitzGerald discovered that Ramparts, a left-wing publication, had discovered that the CIA had been secretly funding the National Student Association. )18) FitzGerald ordered Edgar Applewhite to organize a campaign against the magazine. Applewhite later told Evan Thomas for his book, The Very Best Men: "I had all sorts of dirty tricks to hurt their circulation and financing. The people running Ramparts were vulnerable to blackmail. We had awful things in mind, some of which we carried off." (19)

This dirty tricks campaign failed to stop Ramparts publishing this story in March, 1967. The article, written by Sol Stern, was entitled NSA and the CIA. As well as reporting CIA funding of the National Student Association it exposed the whole system of anti-Communist front organizations in Europe, Asia, and South America. It named Cord Meyer as a key figure in this campaign. This included the funding of the literary journal Encounter. (20)

In May 1967 Thomas Braden responded to this by publishing an article entitled, I'm Glad the CIA is Immoral, in the Saturday Evening Post, where he defended the activities of the International Organizations Division unit of the CIA. Braden also confessed that the activities of the CIA had to be kept secret from Congress. As he pointed out in the article: "In the early 1950s, when the cold war was really hot, the idea that Congress would have approved many of our projects was about as likely as the John Birch Society's approving Medicare." (21)

Meyer's role in Operation Mockingbird was further exposed in 1972 when he was accused of interfering with the publication of a book, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred W. McCoy. The book was highly critical of the CIA's dealings with the drug traffic in Southeast Asia. The publisher, who leaked the story, had been a former colleague of Meyer's when he was a liberal activist after the war. (22)

Church Committee Investigations

Further details of Operation Mockingbird was revealed as a result of the Frank Church investigations (Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities) in 1975. According to the Congress report published in 1976:

"The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda. These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets."

Church argued that the cost of misinforming the world cost American taxpayers an estimated $265 million a year. (23)

In February, 1976, George H. W. Bush, the recently appointed Director of the CIA announced a new policy: "Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contract relationship with any full-time or part-time news correspondent accredited by any U.S. news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station." However, he added that the CIA would continue to "welcome" the voluntary, unpaid cooperation of journalists. (24)

Carl Bernstein Article

Carl Bernstein, who had worked with Bob Woodward in the investigation of Watergate, provided further information about Operation Mockingbird in an article in Rolling Stone in October, 1977. Bernstein claimed that over a 25 year period over 400 American journalists secretly carried out assignments for the CIA:

"Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors-without-portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested it the derring-do of the spy business as in filing articles, and, the smallest category, full- time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad." (25)

It is almost certain that Bernstein had encountered Operation Mockingbird while working on his Watergate investigation. For example, Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great) has argued that Deep Throat was senior CIA official, Richard Ober, who was running Operation Chaos for Richard Nixon during this period. (26)

According to researchers such as Steve Kangas (27), Angus Mackenzie (28) and Alex Constantine (29), Operation Mockingbird was not closed down by the CIA in 1976. For example, in 1998 Kangas argued that CIA asset Richard Mellon Scaife ran "Forum World Features, a foreign news service used as a front to disseminate CIA propaganda around the world." (30)

On 8th February, 1999, Kangas was found dead in the bathroom of the Pittsburgh offices of Richard Mellon Scaife. He had been shot in the head. Officially he had committed suicide but some people believe he was murdered. In an article in Salon Magazine, (19th March, 1999) Andrew Leonard asked:

"Why did the police report say the gun wound was to the left of his head, while the autopsy reported a wound on the roof of his mouth? Why had the hard drive on his computer been erased shortly after his death? Why had Scaife assigned his No. 1 private detective, Rex Armistead, to look into Kangas' past?" (31)

Media Controlled

According to Carl Bernstein 400 reporters were working for the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird. These include, but are not limited to:

* CBS (William Paley)
* Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett)
* Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison)
* Copley News Services (James Copley)
* Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham Sr.)
* Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix)
* Newsweek (Ben Bradlee)
* New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop)
* New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger)
* Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson, Henry * Luce)
* Washington Post (Walter Pincus)
* Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary)

Sources

1. David Wise and Thomas Ross, Invisible Government (1964) page 95
2. Deborah Davis, Katharine the Great (1979) pages 137-138
3. Cord Meyer, Facing Reality: From World Federalism to the CIA (1980) pages 42-59
4. Deborah Davis, Katharine the Great (1979) page 226
5. Carl Bernstein, CIA and the Media, Rolling Stone Magazine (20th October, 1977)
6. Nina Burleigh, A Very Private Woman (1998) page 118
7. Carl Bernstein, CIA and the Media, Rolling Stone Magazine (20th October, 1977)
8. Evan Thomas, The Very Best Men: The Early Years of the CIA (1995) page 33
9. Alex Constantine, Mockingbird: The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA (2000)
10. Thomas Braden, interview included in the Granada Television program, World in Action: The Rise and Fall of the CIA (June, 1975)
11. John Ranelagh, The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA (1986) pages 198-202
12. Evan Thomas, The Very Best Men: The Early Years of the CIA (1995) pages 98-106
13. Cord Meyer, Facing Reality: From World Federalism to the CIA (1980) pages 60-84
14. Jack Anderson,Confessions of a Muckraker (1979) pages 208-236
15. Evan Thomas, The Very Best Men: The Early Years of the CIA (1995) pages 117
16. Evan Thomas, The Very Best Men: The Early Years of the CIA (1995) pages 148-150
17. David Wise and Thomas Ross, Invisible Government (1964)
18. Cord Meyer, Facing Reality: From World Federalism to the CIA (1980) pages 86-89
19. Evan Thomas, The Very Best Men: The Early Years of the CIA (1995) page 330
20. Thomas Braden, interview included in the Granada Television program, World in Action: The Rise and Fall of the CIA (June, 1975)
21. Thomas Braden, Saturday Evening Post (20th May, 1967)
22. Nina Burleigh, A Very Private Woman (1998) page 105
23. Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Government Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (April, 1976) pages 191-201
24. Mary Louise, Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation (2003)
25. Carl Bernstein, CIA and the Media, Rolling Stone Magazine (20th October, 1977)
26. Deborah Davis, Katharine the Great (1979) pages 266-268
27. See Steve Kangas's website: Liberalism Resurgent http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ tenets.htm
28. Angus Mackenzie, Secrets: The CIA's War at Home (1998)
29. Alex Constantine, Virtual Government (1997)
30. Steve Kangas, The Origins of the Overclass (1998)
31. Andrew Leonard, Salon Magazine, (19th March, 1999)

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Operation_Mockingbird

[Karenina]

147. Kick!

:kick:

[Octafish]

148. The Rise of Bush-NAZI-ism

From lillithgallery.com:

The Rise of Bush-NAZI-ism

What is a "Bush NAZI"? Well, it a person who ridicules other people who don't like Bush and calls them "unpatriotic" or "disloyal".

Adolf Hitler strongly believed in patriotism and loyalty to ones country. They waved flags and chanted "Gott Speichern Deutschland!" (God Save Germany!), but now in the United States people wave American flags and shout "God Save America". There's even a song by that name.

So imagine it if you can, or remember it if its happened to you. You're talking to what you think is a perfectly nice american, when suddenly the topic of George W. Bush comes up. And the Bush NAZI starts making fun of people who are anti-Bush.

What did the NAZIs do to people who didn't support Hitler? Well, they made fun of them. Some of them even attacked people who were anti-Hitler. Eventually the anti-Hitler people became more quiet, out of fear, or simply left Germany, out of fear.

CONTINUED w links-n-pics...

http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/bushitler.html

Thanks for the kick, Karenina. You know what this is about.

[Karenina]

163. There are many old folks in my 'hood.

Over the years I've befriended them and they have no fears of sharing their DIRECT EXPERIENCES of the Third Reich and how they coped. These are folks who were staunchly pro-American for decades. When THEY start spitting tacks expressing their contempt, it's WAY PAST TIME to wake up and smell the coffee burning...

[Greyhound]

151. Nice compilation. If you look further, you will find that the BFEE

have supported the Nazis since the 20's. They betrayed our country and got away with it because of their money, they got actual Nazis and Nazi sympathizers into the country after the war and, along with the Coors, put them in charge of various foundations, think tanks, and lobbying firms to continue their work. The BFEE has never stopped advancing the Nazi agenda for close to 90 years.
And the F-ing Dems never said one thing!

[Octafish]

155. Who Are the Merchants of Death?

The BFEE are of the same ilk as the worst NAZIs.

Who Are the Merchants of Death?

by stonemason

Sun Jan 01, 2006 at 07:48:37 AM PDT

It is instructive for those who would understand recent US history to study the names of those who have procured arms for wars throughout the 20th century. They are surprisingly few, with the same recurring characters repeatedly darkening the pages of history ... and selling arms to both sides. These characters are seen by many scholars to not merely supply arms - they are seen as the ones who even create the wars. These are known as the "Merchants of Death."

From the "Unauthorized Biography of George Bush(41)" (now put into the public domain by authors Tarpley and Chaitlin (download here for free)), a portrait of the cast of characters who provoked and armed World Wars I and II, including the grandfather and great-grandfather of our current president:


stonemason's diary :: ::

(Full text and footnotes here):

The First World War elevated Prescott Bush and his father, Samuel P. Bush, into the lower ranks of the Eastern Establishment.

As war loomed in 1914, National City Bank began reorganizing the U.S. arms industry. Percy A. Rockefeller took direct control of the Remington Arms company, appointing his own man, Samuel F. Pryor, as the new chief executive of Remington.

The U.S entered World War I in 1917. In the spring of 1918, Prescott's father, Samuel P. Bush, became chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board. The senior Bush took national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies.

This was an unusual appointment, as Prescott's father seemed to have no background in munitions. Samuel Bush had been president of the Buckeye Steel Castings Co. in Columbus, Ohio, makers of railcar parts. His entire career had been in the railroad business-- supplying equipment to the Wall Street-owned railroad systems.

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/1/94838/11275

Thanks for the gentle reminder, greyhound1966. I don't get why more people are up in arms about these connections. Perhaps there is a fear of what happens to those who stand up, like the U.S. Army colonel investigating torture at Abu Ghraib who all of a sudden "suicided."

[Loge23]

152. awesome! Keep it up!

Keep these facts front and center and use them even for "polite" conversation with the misinformed.

[Octafish]

158. Butterfly Effect.

Spread the news and people wake up.



The "Butterfly Effect", or more technically the "sensitive dependence on initial conditions", is the essence of chaos. This is illustrated in the accompanying applet of the Lorenz Attractor.

http://www.cmp.caltech.edu/~mcc/chaos_new/Lorenz.html

[bobthedrummer]

159. Using a controlled media-just like the Nazis

it's propaganda, PSYOPS, and a whole lot more. It's called "perception management".

Here's a recent thread on the subject from the DU archives.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x71919

[Octafish]

164. "Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts..."

Lots of light from ThirdWorldTraveler.com:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html

Media Control

" I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world -- in the field of advertizing -- and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency ... Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious ... I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours ... and we tend to disbelieve ours. "

a Soviet correspondent based five years in the U.S.

"I think democracy fails under a variety of conditions and one of the conditions occurs when people don't have the ability to get the kind of information they need to make up their mind. Ideologically, I don't care much for FOX News. But the truth is that, as long as there are countervailing points of view available on the spectrum, it doesn't matter."

Howard Dean

So many links, I can't believe it.

[Clara T]

165. The Seminal Work on This-Propaganda by Alex Carey

Review of Alex Carey, Taking the Risk out of Democracy: Propaganda in the US and Australia

(University of NSW Press, 1995. 214 pp., $19.95)

Reviewed by Alex McCutcheon in Green Left Weekly

As Alex Carey sees it, "The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy''.

Throughout this book of collected essays with its unified theme, Carey succeeds in showing the reader that far from being a natural outcome of "market forces'' or some natural "law of nature'', the present hegemony that corporations enjoy has been the result of a consciously pursued goal whose origins lie within corporate America.

Carey makes the crucial (and often forgotten) point that in a technologically advanced democracy, "the maintenance of the existing power and privileges are vulnerable to popular opinion'' in a way that is not true in authoritarian societies. Therefore elite propaganda must assume a "more covert and sophisticated role''.

In the US, corporate propaganda has played upon the high level of religious beliefs in the community, beliefs which leave its citizens predisposed to see the world in "Manichean terms''. This outlook leads towards a preference for action over reflection, a "pragmatic orientation'' that is perfectly suited to the corporate aim of identifying positive symbols with business, while assigning negative values to those that oppose them, such as labour unions and welfare provisions.

The organised dissemination of these symbols had its initial impetus in groups such as the National Americanization Committee, which succeeded in manipulating nationalist and patriotic symbols during World War I to associate corporate values with the "American way of life''. The psychological power of this association cannot be discounted: it has proved to be an enduring feature of the political climate in the US today.

Since then the corporate agenda has embraced all areas of society - media, schools, academia and the workplace - with focuses on different levels from "grassroots'' to "tree-tops''. It has succeeded via the mass media in identifying capitalism with democracy and in portraying any challenge to corporate elites as either "subversive'' or "extremist''.

This campaign to vilify those who do not adhere to the desired apathy is exemplified by the shameful way in which some industrial psychologists portray economic interests of employees to be somehow neurotic or dysfunctional. Their shabby efforts to lend an air of science to this field are put under the spotlight by Carey and found severely wanting.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/25/006.html

Get a transcript where you can. You can also access an audio of his work from TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio.



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0252066162/103-2653805-7347059?v=glance&n=283155

The late ALEX CAREY lectured in psychology and industrial relations at the University of New South Wales. ANDREW LOHREY is a Research Fellow with the National Language and Literacy Institute of Australia, working at the University of Tasmania in language, learning, and consciousness. NOAM CHOMSKY, a professor of linguistics and philosophy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is the author of books including Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media.

[Octafish]

170. Excellent book! Thanks! And from Pizzo: The Return of Bush's Brownshirts.

DU! We're starting to get on the NAZI BFEE like a woodpecker in their pocket.

Here's truth from a real journalist:

The Return of Bush's Brownshirts

By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real
Posted on January 19, 2006, Printed on January 19, 2006
http://www.alternet.org/story/30991/

We've become so used to it that many Americans can no longer tell the difference between legitimate investigative reporting and a staged smear. It began with the Clintons, but it did not end there. In fact "they" saw how well it worked, and it has become Tool No. 1 in their box of tricks.

"They," of course, are the new breed of Republicans that arrived with Newt and Tom back in the 1990s. Lazy, complacent and corrupt Democrats provided a rich medium in which Republican smears could grow and thrive. From Congress to the Clinton White House, Republicans had a target-rich environment in which they could nurture mole hills into Mt. Everests. It was the most fun sleaze balls could have with their clothes on.

SNIP...

The Brownshirts took the guise of "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth." The genius of the idea was right there in the name. They had been, like Kerry, "Swiftboaters," they were "veterans," and they were going to tell us the "truth." And what a production it was! They launched an expensive media blitz shamelessly contradicting nearly every eyewitness to Kerry's service during the war, contradicted nearly every official account, challenged every written record. Kerry, they claimed, was really a yellow-belly and a liar.

And it worked again! George W. won a second term, despite the fact he never served in combat and instead actively avoided doing so. And, despite the fact his first four years as president had been an unmitigated disaster. He had started a war on false pretenses. He had gutted the national treasury by giving billions in tax breaks to the already wealthy.

But the GOP Brownshirts had done their magic once again. Fiction truimphed over fact. Liars trumped truth. All that was missing was the beer hall.

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http://www.alternet.org/story/30991/

Thanks again, ClaraT. Carey's on the money.

[Dr Fate]

167. In what way does he NOT resemble a budding Nazi?

That is the real question.

[Octafish]

175. Bush vs. Hitler

Doc, I've thought long and hard on it and I can't find any way the crazy monkey doesn't resemble a NAZI.

He believes the Good Lord made him better than everybody else and, thus, can play God with their lives.

From Pravda, of all places, truth (more than the NYT exhibits on the subject, anyway):

Bush vs. Hitler

01/03/2004 12:40

Although the quest for or preservation of "democracy" is often used as a justification for war, history has incessantly revealed that such a quest is often little more than a thinly-veiled attempt to install a puppet regime.

Nazi leader Herman Goering once remarked that it was easy to lead people into war, regardless of whether they resided within "a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship." All that was required, Goering argued, is for their government to "tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger."

Many years ago, when I was younger and more idealistic, I would have viewed Goering's statement as an anachronism. After all, millions had suffered immensely during the nightmare of World War II, and it seemed that this historical imprint alone would have indelibly reminded people about the folly of blindly following leaders into war. Also (and despite Goering's assertion) democracy appeared to offer additional protections from this folly as well, particularly in wealthy, industrialized nations like America, where freedom of speech and press permitted the free exchange of ideas, which in turn served to balance emotion and reason, and exposed any lies used to rationalize an unjust war. While it is true that America still suffered through the Vietnam era, it did not do so unquestioningly, nor with a blind faith in the nation"s leaders.

But the coup by the plutocratic supporters of George W. Bush in the year 2000, coupled with the invasion of Iraq, changed all that, revealing how easily Americans can be manipulated, how willing they are to be lied to, and how vacuous the freedoms of speech and press have become when the bulk of information is filtered through corporate-controlled media that profit from jingoism, propaganda and dishonesty. But, perhaps most disturbingly, these events demonstrated that even though the words "freedom, democracy and human rights" are chanted like mantras by political leaders, many Americans have apparently welcomed, or at the very least are blissfully unconcerned about, the erosion of freedom, the abuse of human rights, and the nation"s growing transformation from a democracy into a neo-fascist dictatorship.

Although the quest for or preservation of "democracy" is often used as a justification for war, history has incessantly revealed that such a quest is often little more than a thinly-veiled attempt to install a puppet regime. Decades ago, the folk singer Phil Ochs, in his song COPS OF THE WORLD (the lyrics of which are still hauntingly relevant today), stated that in American lexicon democracy is simply another name for profits, and that in poorer, "third world" countries democracy normally consists of an imperialist power handpicking leaders for the local populace to "elect." The late Cuban guerrilla leader Che Guevara went even further, stating that in these impoverished nations democracies are simply facades established by imperialist powers to placate the masses, when in reality "third-world" governments, burdened with debt and dependent upon wealthier nations for basic necessities, frequently have to implement policies that appease their imperialist masters even if it means the suffering of their own people.

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http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/11693_bush.html

PS: Love the happy Santa! A most Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, Dr Fate!

[parhelion]

168. Fantastic Thread!

Excellent compilation, and a damning wealth of facts linking the BFEE Corporate Fascists to their Nazi mentors and benefactors and clearly exposing them as the murderous anti-American fascists that they are. I can't begin to express my relief that so many are waking up to this terrifying reality. The Prescott Bush Nazi ties, the GHWB link to the JFK assassination, the parallels between the Bush's Amerika and classic fascism... I've known about so much of it for so long, even pre-911 and Iraq. For the most part I've felt pretty marginalized and alone in this knowledge until this recent awakening here at DU. Thanks to Octafish and every other contributor to this thread, great work!

All this information must be preserved and has to continue to be pushed to the front until the MSM is forced to start reporting it. It's truly an uphill battle when the MSM is basically multiple versions of Pravda and even more "moderate" news sources like CNN are moving hard-right. Propaganda and control of public opinion (and the nurturing of public apathy) is where their true power lies. Goebbels would be so proud...

[DrDebug]

172. Welcome to DU

:toast:

There is lots of information here about all kinds of subjects. We even have a publisher here who is gratiously putting his information for the whole world to read.

Chris Floyd
Empire Burlesque
High Crimes and Low Comedy in the Bush Imperium

Empire Burlesque by Chris Floyd provides an "alternative history" of the Bush years in power, beginning with the thunderclap of September 11 and continuing in the bloody quagmire of Iraq today. His latest book and website present a step-by-step account of how the United States descended into its current predicament: terrorized, militarized, divided, riddled with corruption, despised and feared around the world - a world made more dangerous and unstable by the crimes and blunders of George W. Bush and his Administration.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x2594

[Octafish]

174. The Brownshirting of America

Thanks for the kind words, parhelion.

All I ask is that the truth on these treasonous bedwetters gets spread to all who think and give a damn.

Where Did These Conservatives Come From?

The Brownshirting of America

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
October 15, 2004

James Bovard, the great libertarian champion of our freedom and civil liberties, recently shared with readers his mail from Bush supporters (Lewrockwell.com, October 12). For starters here are some of the salutations: "communist bastard," "asshole," "a piece of trash, scum of the earth." It goes downhill from there.

Bush's supporters demand lock-step consensus that Bush is right. They regard truthful reports that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction and was not involved in the September 11 attack on the US--truths now firmly established by the Bush administration's own reports--as treasonous America-bashing.

As well, Bovard is interpreted as throwing cold water on the feel-good, macho, Muslim butt-kicking that Bush's invasion of Iraq has come to symbolize for his supporters. "People like you and Michael Moore," one irate reader wrote, "is (sic) what brings down our country."

SNIP...

By substituting fiction for reality, the US media took the country to war. The CNN and Fox News "journalists" are as responsible for America's ill-fated invasion of Iraq as Cheney and Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle.

SNIP...

American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10152004.html

BTW: A most hearty welcome to DU! Welcome home!

[Clara T]

178. The Pharmaceutical Industry merits scrutiny

After the First World War, all the major chemical concerns were merged in 1926 into a single gigantic trust - the I.G. Farbenindustrie A.G. - under the leadership of Carl Duisberg and Carl Bosch. Dyestuffs, pharmaceuticals, photographic supplies, explosives, and a myriad of other products poured forth in ever-growing volume and variety.
Soon after the election of July, 1932, in which the Nazis had doubled their vote, Heinrich Buetefisch and Heinrich Gattineau . waited upon the Fuehrer-to-be to learn whether Farben could count on governmental support for its synthetic gasoline program in the event the Nazis should attain power. Hitler readily agreed that Farben should be given the necessary support to warrant expansion of the Leuna plant.
After the seizure of power, Farben lost no time in following up this auspicious introduction. Significantly, Farben's chosen channel was not the Heeresleitung but Hermann Goering's new Air Ministry. In a long letter to Goering's deputy Erhard Milch, Carl Krauch of Farben outlined a "four-year plan" for the expansion of synthetic fuel output. Milch thereupon called in Generalleutnant von Vollard Bockelberg, Chief of the Army Ordnance Office, and it was agreed that the Army and the Air Ministry together would sponsor the Krauch project. A few months later Farben received a formal Reich contract calling for the enlargement of Leuna so that production would reach three hundred thousand tons per year by 1937, with Farben's sales guaranteed for ten years - until June 30, 1944 - on a cost-plus basis.

And this:
Auschwitz was the largest mass extermination factory in human history, but the concentration camp was only the appendix.
The main project was IG Auschwitz, a 100% subsidiary of IG Farben, the largest industrial complex of the world for manufacturing synthetic gasoline and rubber for the conquest of Europe.
On April 14, 1941, in Ludwigshafen, Otto Armbrust, the IG Farben board member responsible for the Auschwitz project, stated to his IG Farben board colleagues, "our new friendship with the SS is a blessing. We have determined all measures integrating the concentration camps to benefit our company."
The pharmaceutical departments of the IG Farben cartel used the victims of the concentration camps in their own way: thousands of them died during human experiments such as the testing of new and unknown vaccines.
There was no retirement plan for the prisoners of IG Auschwitz. Those who were too weak or too sick to work were selected at the main gate of the IG Auschwitz factory and sent to the gas chambers. Even the chemical gas Zyklon-B used for the annihilation of millions of people was derived from the drawing boards and factories of IG Farben.


The map of Auschwitz (above) speaks for itself. The size of the IG Auschwitz plant (red area) was larger than all Auschwitz concentration camps (blue area) taken together.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm#support

[Sequoia]

171. He probably is proud to be compared to them too.

[Octafish]

176. The Bush Hitler Thing

From an eyewitness to both the Schickelgruber and the Smirkelgruber:

The Bush Hitler Thing

t r u t h o u t | Reader Submission
Friday 09 January 2004

Dear Sir,

My family was one of Hitler's victims. We lost a lot under the Nazi occupation, including an uncle who died in the camps and a cousin killed by a booby trap. I was terrified when my father went ballistic after finding my brother and me playing with a hand grenade. (I was only 12 at the time, and my brother insisted the grenade was safe.) I remember the rubble and the hardships of 'austerity' - and the bomb craters from Allied bombs. As late as the 1980s, I had to take detours while bombs were being removed - they litter the countryside, buried under parking lots,buildings, and in the canals and rivers to this day. Believe me, I learned a lot about Hitler while I was growing up, both in Europe and here in the US - both my parents were in the war and talked about it constantly, unlike most American families. I spent my earliest years with the second-hand fear that trickled down from their PTSD - undiagnosed and untreated in those days.

SNIP...

Every time I've gone back to Europe, someone has taken me to the 'gardens of stone' - the Allied cemeteries that dot the countryside. With great sadness, my relatives would stand in abject misery, remembering the nightmare, and asking 'Why?'. Maybe that's why they wouldn't support the US invasion of Iraq. They knew war. They knew occupation. And they knew resistance. I saw the building where British flyers hid on their way back to England - smuggled out by brave families that risked the lives of everyone to help the Allies. As a child, I had played in a basement, where the cow lived under the house, as is common there. The same place those flyers hid.

So why, now, when I hear GWB's speeches, do I think of Hitler? Why have I drawn a parallel between the Nazis and the present administration? Just one small reason -the phrase 'Never forget'. Never let this happen again. It is better to question our government - because it really can happen here - than to ignore the possibility.

So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice. The disappearances of 'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors - and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military. The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy. The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters - including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies.

CONTNUED...

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/4/3201

Gee. Things have only gotten worse since that was written two years ago.

[Sequoia]

177. Wow! Thank you.

[bobthedrummer]

173. kick n/t