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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:20 PM
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If it's Not Torture, Then it's OK To Use it on Cheney
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If it's Not Torture, Then it's OK To Use it on Cheney
by Kirk Caraway


"We do not torture."

That's what President George W. Bush said, and we can believe him, right? After all, that whole water boarding thing is just a walk in the park. Here is how CIA sources described this technique to ABC News:

"The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him.

Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt."

And it seems to work pretty well. Another passage from the ABC story:

"According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in.

They said al-Qaida's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess."

Wow. Two-and-a-half minutes to get the truth. Not bad.

Perhaps the Justice Department could use this to speed up some investigations that are taking forever. How about that two-year investigation into who leaked Valerie Plame's CIA status?

Stick Karl Rove on the water board and we can see who really leaked what in just a couple of minutes. That would be fair, wouldn't it? After all, his boss says it's not torture, right?

And how about this whole question about whether we were lied into the war in Iraq. I bet Dick Cheney would have the answer for that one, though the water board may be tough on his bad heart. At least we would know for sure if 2,120+ brave Americans died for a lie.

Just for fun, we could strap Bill Clinton to the water board and find out a whole lot on what happened during his term in the White House. That's one interrogation people would pay big money to see on pay-per-view.

Think of all the situations this could be used for. Hook up Tom DeLay, see if he really did break Texas campaign laws. Get the Halliburton executives in there and ask what happened to all our money. Stick O.J. Simpson on the water board and find out if he killed his ex-wife.

Remember, it's not torture. Bush says so.

Of course, this method isn't foolproof. The confessions obtained this way aren't exactly trustworthy.

The ABC story recounts how one subject was water boarded into claiming Iraq helped train al-Qaida members to use biochemical weapons. This information then was used by the Bush Administration to justify the war. As it turns out, the subject had no knowledge of such training, and he fabricated the story in order to stop the treatment.

"This is the problem with using the water board. They get so desperate that they begin telling you what they think you want to hear," a source told ABC.

So maybe we weren't lied into war, just water boarded into it.

At least it's not torture. Bush said so. And we can believe him, right? Perhaps he can volunteer for the water board and prove he's telling the truth.

Kirk Caraway is Internet Editor for the Nevada Appeal. Email to: kcaraway@nevadaappeal.com
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:27 PM
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:28 PM
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2. Yeah Bill's crimes really compare to W's
A blow job vs. mass murder. :eyes:

Why don't you go enlist, you miserable POS?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:31 PM
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5. They're just as dead.
When you shipping out, hero?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:36 PM
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:38 PM
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9. There's plenty of time to do both, thank you
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:38 PM by wtmusic
Now, back to the subject at hand...when you heading over there to help out, Mr. Armchair General?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:40 PM
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:42 PM
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13. No you're not
You're a piece-of-shit Bush supporter who can't admit he made a mistake.

Be sure to turn off the lights if you're the last one out...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:45 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:47 PM
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:50 PM
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24. yeah, yeah
funny. You are so fucking brave.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:44 PM
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15. z-z-z
Do you talk as slow as you type, or is saliva messing with your keyboard?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:46 PM
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19. Dude, that's not saliva!
He's got a Dick Cheney desktop pic, and he's typing onehanded.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:47 PM
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21. ROFL!
To each his own :crazy:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:34 PM
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6. Ha!
Now don't get personal, Dick (I caught that little addition). You're heart can't take it...

:rofl:
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:30 PM
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3. .
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:31 PM by unhappycamper
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:37 PM
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8. I had always assumed that some form of torture had been used
on Khalid Sheik Mohammed. They announced his arrest, splashed his disheveled face all over TV and just a few days later they had information from him. I thought at the time that if he was as highly placed in al-Qaida as they claimed that he would not have been turning over information in such a short period of time unless they had used extraordinary methods to extract it. They wouldn't have gotten anything out of him that easily using normal interrogation procedures.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:44 PM
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16. Yeah, yeah...enjoy your stay, tough guy.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:45 PM
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18. Did you bring pizza?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:49 PM
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23. But of course!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:52 PM
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25. And every single one of the following:
Rove
Chertoff
Gonzales
Miers
Yoo
Libby
Addington
Rumsfeld
Feith
Wolfowitz
Perle
Cambone
Hadley
Rice
Negroponte

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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:00 PM
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26. Problem solved.


The sheriff took care of the problem.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:23 PM
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27. LOL! I've heard of "a new sheriff in town" before, but never THAT new!
If he was any NEWER, that hat would touch the ground! Great Pic!

Y'know, it was awful nice of the clearly-retarded dearly-departed
to devote so much of his brief DU career to kicking this one thread.

I'm gonna MISS him.....:rofl:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:39 PM
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28. "Remember, kids: it's not really torture unless their head comes off!"
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