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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:59 AM
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I've never really wanted to burn a U. S. flag........until now
I think I'll torch my first one on the 4th of July, right before the big fireworks display.

That should kick things off pretty good!}(
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:12 AM
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1. Will it be one of those,
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 01:36 AM by GreenTea
little flags one sees on cupcakes, or one of those small American flags made in China, how 'bout a T shirt with a flag on it, or a drawn picture or poster of the flag made with color crayons, a photo of a flag from a magazine or newspaper? Suppose it's only half a flag? How big a flag & what indeed counts as a "flag"? Who decides?

I've never seen anyone burn a flag, and usually most don't feel the need to, but, I do understand your frustration with such a series of republicans non issues meant to distract. (And question ones patriotism).

So what are the boundaries?

Such election time republican bullshit!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:54 AM
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2. Nah, don't give in to their games. Enjoy the 4th and what it stands for...
And what we have to continue to fight for...
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:57 AM
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5. Exactly what I've been saying....
They'll fight ten times harder for a constitutional amendment if they actually start to see flags being burned.

And while you might argue it will never ever get the 3/4 votes, the pukes will use it as a wedge issue to attract the fundies to the polls.....just as they did in 2004 concerning gay marriage.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:01 AM
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3. I'd be half tempted to start a...
bonfire of cheap Chinese flags, but that would probably just feed the flames for the amendment to pass.

Right now, I doubt there's any real support for it and it's all DC theater. But, all we need is a bunch of pictures of flagburnings all over the rightwing sites and it could get serious out there.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:46 AM
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4. write on
:rofl:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:13 AM
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6. We are acting like a half dead empire and what they should do
Is pass something to save the constitutions. A stamped cloth will hardly do it. Plus what will all those men in little red, white and blue bathing suits do?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:18 AM
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7. that makes as much sense as when you're in the 3rd grade, and
you pull on a little girl's hair and call her a fart-face because you have a crush on her and you want to get her attention.

Not a wise ploy.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:34 AM
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9. Hey!.....How did you know how I met my wife?
That's cosmic!
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:35 AM
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8. HAHA! I feel the same way
I never even thought about burning the flag before.

maybe we can start a 'Burn you Flag Across the Country' moment.
:evilgrin:

seriously, this law bothers me, for a bunch of reasons. mostly freedom of speech.

can't we get rid of this government NOW.? a special election, SOMETHING.

2008 is forever away, it seems
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:57 AM
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10. I haven't been paying attention to this nonsense...are they planning to
change the proscribed method of disposing of worn-out flags, i.e. burning? Otherwise, all you have to say for a defense is that it was worn-out. The whole thing is so stupid, but what can one expect of the Neanderthal Party
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:11 AM
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11. Will it have these proportions per Executive Order No. 10798?
EX. ORD. NO. 10834. PROPORTIONS AND SIZES OF FLAGS AND POSITION OF STARS
Ex. Ord. No. 10834, Aug. 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, provided:

WHEREAS the State of Hawaii has this day been admitted into the Union; and

WHEREAS section 2 of title 4 of the United States Code provides as follows: ''On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.''; and

WHEREAS the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949 (63 Stat. 377), as amended (see Short Title note under section 471 of Title 40, Public Buildings, Property, and Works) authorizes the President to prescribe policies and directives governing the procurement and utilization of property by executive agencies; and

WHEREAS the interests of the Government require that orderly and reasonable provision be made for various matters pertaining to the flag and that appropriate regulations governing the procurement and utilization of national flags and union jacks by executive agencies be prescribed:

NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States and as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949, as amended (see Short Title note under section 471 of Title 40, Public Buildings, Property, and Works), it is hereby ordered as follows:
PART I - DESIGN OF THE FLAG

Section 1. The flag of the United States shall have thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white, and a union consisting of white stars on a field of blue.

Sec. 2. The positions of the stars in the union of the flag and in the union jack shall be as indicated on the attachment to this order, which is hereby made a part of this order.

Sec. 3. The dimensions of the constituent parts of the flag shall conform to the proportions set forth in the attachment referred to in section 2 of this order.


PART II - REGULATIONS GOVERNING EXECUTIVE AGENCIES

Sec. 21. The following sizes of flags are authorized for executive agencies:

Dimensions of Flag
Size Hoist
(width) Fly
(length)
Feet Feet
(1) 20.00 38.00
(2) 10.00 19.00
(3) 8.95 17.00
(4) 7.00 11.00
(5) 5.00 9.50
(6) 4.33 5.50
(7) 3.50 6.65
(8) 3.00 4.00
(9) 3.00 5.70
(10) 2.37 4.50
(11) 1.32 2.50

Sec. 22. Flags manufactured or purchased for the use of executive agencies:
(a) Shall conform to the provisions of Part I of this order, except as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of section 24, or except as otherwise authorized by the provisions of section 21, of this order.
(b) Shall conform to the provisions of section 21 of this order, except as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of section 24 of this order.

Sec. 23. The exterior dimensions of each union jack manufactured or purchased for executive agencies shall equal the respective exterior dimensions of the union of a flag of a size authorized by or pursuant to this order. The size of the union jack flown with the national flag shall be the same as the size of the union of that national flag.

Sec. 24.
(a) The Secretary of Defense in respect of procurement for the Department of Defense (including military colors) and the Administrator of General Services in respect of procurement for executive agencies other than the Department of Defense may, for cause which the Secretary or the Administrator, as the case may be, deems sufficient, make necessary minor adjustments in one or more of the dimensions or proportionate dimensions prescribed by this order, or authorize proportions or sizes other than those prescribed by section 3 or section 21 of this order.
(b) So far as practicable,
(1) the actions of the Secretary of Defense under the provisions of section 24(a) of this order, as they relate to the various organizational elements of the Department of Defense, shall be coordinated, and
(2) the Secretary and the Administrator shall mutually coordinate their actions under that section.

Sec. 25. Subject to such limited exceptions as the Secretary of Defense in respect of the Department of Defense, and the Administrator of General Services in respect of executive agencies other than the Department of Defense, may approve, all national flags and union jacks now in the possession of executive agencies, or hereafter acquired by executive agencies under contracts awarded prior to the date of this order, including those so possessed or so acquired by the General Services Administration, for distribution to other agencies, shall be utilized until unserviceable.


PART III - GENERAL PROVISIONS

Sec. 31. The flag prescribed by Executive Order No. 10798 of January 3, 1959, shall be the official flag of the United States until July 4, 1960, and on that date the flag prescribed by Part I of this order shall become the official flag of the United States; but this section shall neither derogate from section 24 or section 25 of this order nor preclude the procurement, for executive agencies, of flags provided for by or pursuant to this order at any time after the date of this order.

Sec. 32. As used in this order, the term "executive agencies" means the executive departments and independent establishments in the executive branch of the Government, including wholly-owned Government corporations.

Sec. 33. Executive Order No. 10798 of January 3, 1959, is hereby revoked.

Dwight D. Eisenhower.
*** ILLUSTRATION OMITTED ***

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Standard proportions

Hoist (width) of flag 1.0
Fly (length) of flag 1.9:
Hoist (width) of Union 0.5385( 7/13):
Fly (length) of Union 0.76:
Diameter of star 0.0616:
Width of stripe 0.0769( 1/13):

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-exord.html
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