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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:12 PM Original message |
WP: López Obrador Alleges Vote Was Rigged |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Recommended... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hear that John Kerry....this guy Lopez Obrador is a fighter |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I must ask, what would you have had John Kerry do? How did he not fight? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. He could have asked the question. It wouldn't have killed him. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. "asked the question" What question? And then? What should he have done? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. First, I hope you know that not only did I vote for John Kerry |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I understand, but still, where would that have gone? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I agree that whatever protest he lodged would not have changed |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. It might not have gone anywhere. But, by God , he could have at |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
54. The risk of being ridiculed? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Big picture - look |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
80. Oh, no! Not ridicule! Too great a risk! Ukraine, Mexico, Romania |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. It is in the past but still a pertinent question. How was it done is now |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. He did nothing, conceded the election to Dubya without so much as a |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. That really doesn't answer the question. What would you have had him do? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Here is what Kerry did do..... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. WHAT THE FUCK? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I don't write 'em, I just post 'em.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. And what did RFK's article say? NO LEGAL EVIDENCE TO CONTINUE THAT DAY. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. that is the most depressing piece of history |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. Article is full of CRAP. Read RFK's article - THERE WAS NO LEGAL EVIDENCE |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Are you referring to the June 15, 2006 issue of ROLLING STONE? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Of course the elections need securing, NOW - and no candidate is in charge |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. I heard the reports of long lines at Dem polling booths that very day. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. The way I see it.. |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 09:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
88. Exactly. He didn't stand up for me. Never again!! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Yes! We need to make our agreement with our candidate more plain. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. MAKE YOUR DEAL WITH THE DNC who is in charge of countering GOP efforts |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. His ENTIRE CAMPAIGN was not fighting |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Yeah - we noticed how he decisively won EVERY DEBATE. |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Kerry was as establishment/corporate as you can get... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. You're obviously not a modern history major. No one with half a clue |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Talk to Terry MacAuliffe - his job was to protect Dem votes from GOP |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why didn't this happen here? Or did it? Anyway, the media's role? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The media here withheld Palast's story of the disenfranchisement |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't like their tone.... |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Shades of 2000, and "Gore is trying to CHEAT by counting votes!!!!" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I know. But remember, Karl attacks our "strengths". Mr. Gore |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. They gaslighted us from day one. Not for much longer. n/t |
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oddtext (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. same old biased crap |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. why is it so hard to count votes in the modern age? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. People lie to exit pollers |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. that sounds subjective |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Actually, people are mostly honest. And why would you boost your opponent? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. lol -- that's exactly what I was pondering |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. you would want to boost your opponent to have them think |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. That would be pretty dumb to do if you thought folks might think |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. depends on how many votes you think you can cause your |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Besides I don't think that any campaign would have the resources to |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You can do it in state races, I've seen it done |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I dont know if you are lying or whatever, but I don't think the math works |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. not lying, we tried to use the exit polls to gain either an advantage |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Why do you lie to exit pollers, RGBolen? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. see reply 32 |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. why introduce bias when it isn't there? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. you do it to win the election |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. doesn't sound like a democracy to me |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. no concern with the exit polls mirroring anything |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. why would you want individuals with criminal intent to do exit polling? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. campaigns use exit polls to determine through the day where to best use |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. exit polls were not designed to affect voter turnout |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 08:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
86. I was exit-polled and didn't lie, and there was not ONE STRATEGY SESSION |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. Maybe you need some new friends. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Exactly.. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
14. Bush wanted the conservative in power in Mexico...Bush gets what he wants |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. Collusion In Mexico? |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
20. Remember Los Angeles, Denver, San Antoniio, DC, in May 2006 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Here's hoping! |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
33. That's how you fight a rigged vote. (nt) |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
34. Does he have any evidence that this is the case? nt |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Check this out... |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. 827,000 "blanco" ballots certainly does raise a lot of questions. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You're welcome. It's the Florida Crew - what can I say. |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
40. more comments from López Obrador |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. This would have been against the law |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. What about the 2.5 million missing ballots...found after Obrador protests. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Nobody can order the paquetes opened |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Thank you... |
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Justice Is Comin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
48. Way to go Lopez ! |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
49. Mass protest |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. it was rigged, bush/republican operatives were all over the landscape... |
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fordnut (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
65. yep |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. Duh. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
76. The International Republican Institute are the ones running the fraud |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 08:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. The tentacles of vote fraud are everywhere... |
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Jeanette in FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
77. Palm Beach County, Florida, redux |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
82. Shut down PEMEX |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
87. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark and .... |
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