Guilford County, NC GOP head - gay "as natural as pedophilia"

[Democrat 4 Ever]

Caught this at a NC blog I frequently read, which led to this spot - even batshit crazy doesn't begin to describe this wacko.

NC County GOP head: being gay 'as natural as pedophilia'
Tuesday, July 11, 2006

We now say that homosexuality is ok. That it is natural. Yes it is as natural as pedophilia. If it were natural then we wouldn’t be having a conversation about it, because there would be no procreation. It really is that simple. All the other studies and written articles are the justification for the actions of this group of individuals.

-- Marcus Kindley, chairman of the Guilford County Republican Party


It's nice to know that Guilford County Republicans are well represented by a grade A, batsh*t-emitting, homobigots like Kindley. Any guesses as to whether he has a freshly washed sheet in his closet as well?

Kindley posted the above in a diatribe entitled "Morals, Church and the American Society" on his blog, The Chairman's Corner. He takes a swipe at gays, but as the leader of his county's GOP, Marcus also takes the opportunity to pontificate on issues of the day in a way that simply brings tears to my eyes.

On the right to choose...

Look at the issue of abortion. The North Carolina Democratic Party will not take a stand for life. It advocates the freedom to kill an unwanted child in the womb at your pleasure. There is no stigma of right or wrong associated with this action by our media and many of our churches and society as a whole. They say it is a personal decision. Well with that rational so is murder, rape, sposal abuse, pedophilia, incest..

On the decline of the church (apparently the bible-beaters aren't flogging hard enough):

Our churches in trying to be everything to everybody has failed to discriminated between right and wrong. If there is no right and wrong, but only gray, then there is no need for God or Laws....In America today our churches have degraded their beliefs so much that the ordinary citizen sees no need to attend a worship service, because he sees and hears the same thing on Opra and Dr. Phil everyday.
Someone please contact the Holy Joe campaign. We have another articulate endorsement from the GOP:

Look at Joseph Lieberman. He is an old time Democrat who loves America and believes we should protect our people. Yet, the new left and the media want him thrown overboard. I could work with Joe Lieberman, I believe he is a basically honest men. I could disagree vehemently with him on some ways to handle certain social ills, but we could talk. Look how he is being treated. Instead of respect for his opinions his own pillars him.
Matt Hill Comer of the NC Advocacy Coalition passed on this gem of a party leader. I noticed, as he did, that a commenter left a note at Kindley's blog that the pol's post "resonates" with him and that he "longs for simpler times."

Cue up "Dueling Banjos"...

http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2006/07/nc-county-gop-head-being-gay-as.html

also at Raw Story

[cboy4]

1. Yea, yea Mr. Kindley...it's as natural as pedophilia. You're so original!!

Well Done!!

[hfojvt]

10. and the answer is what?

Fundies see homosexuality as being compared to pedophilia. If it is not, why not? Is it a matter of adult consent? What about the recurring episodes of Dateline NBC which trap adult men arranging what they think is consensual sex with a 14 year old girl? They are painted as predators, lunatics, monsters - pedophiles. And yet, The age of consent is 14 in Brazil, in Deutschland, and in Canada.

The kind of intolerance and condemnation expressed for that on DU would be grounds for banishment or deletion if it was about homosexuality. It seems like a double standard to me, or I would like to see what the basis for the distinction is. Maybe it is a parental ownership thing, or maybe many adults can remember how immature they were at 14. I remember being pretty responsible. Heck, I had been working since 12 and while a paper route is not like an 8 hour day, it still requires you to show up mostly on time 6 days a week and get a job done in all kinds of weather and with dogs and other kids harrassing you.

[cboy4]

12. I'm sorry, but I don't condone consensual sex with 14 years olds...whether

it involves a man and a girl or a man and a boy.

I have zero desire to have sex with a 14 year old boy.

So how can anyone compare homosexuality to pedophilia? Maybe you can explain?

[hfojvt]

13. pretty easy comparison isn't it?

It is not the same thing as saying that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles. That would be a much different claim.

But pedophilia is comparable to homosexuality. Homosexuals are attracted to members of the same sex. Pedophiles are attracted to teenagers (except that a person attracted to a 14 year old is not a 'pedophile' in Brazil or Deutschland)

You don't condone that in the same way fundies don't condone homesexual acts. Since it is not your cup of tea, it must be condemned? What is it with the men on Dateline then? Do they have a mental illness? Were they abused as children? Are they just evil? Isn't that the same thing SOME people say about homosexuals? Do you think they DECIDED to be attracted to 14 year olds? I find it kinda strange that they are sexually attracted to the person without ever having seen them, but I have gotten IMs from men looking to have sex with me without ever having seen me either. And do I condemn things which I find strange?

[cboy4]

15. Oh please. I understand your point, but it's pretty disappointing you're

breaking this all down in order to seemingly defend a homophobe.

I don't believe for a second that this person is arguing your point.

He's trying to portray gays as sexual predators by using the "pedophilia" word.

If he really thinks homosexuality is a choice or a behavior, he could have used another example.

Instead, he chose the most shocking example possible in American culture. (This isn't Brazil or Deutschland)

[Warren DeMontague]

29. I don't give a shit whether it's a "choice" or NOT.

It seems to me, the only folks excessively hung up on that question are the ones wringing their hands from a theological perspective- because they can't figure out how to hate someone that "God" simultaenously (supposedly) tells them to hate, yet someone who "God" also made that way.

Me? As a freethinking, rational human being, I don't give a shit. With Gays, Swingers, Kinksters, Bisexuals, and anyone else who engages in consensual adult behavior, it doesn't matter whether they 'choose' it or are 'made' that way- it's still their bid'ness. Because, as the great sage Taj Majal put it so eloquently, when you mind yo' own bid'ness, you won't be mindin' mine.

There is a HUGE difference between that and CHILD ABUSE. I think questions of whether pedophiles 'choose' to be that way or are 'made' that way are ONLY relevant from the standpoint of, "can these people be rehabilitated and life safely in society?"- although, frankly, I happen to think that anyone who hurts a child should be put away for life- I don't care if it's because they "want" to or are wired that way... in my mind, that's what prisons should be for-, so it doesn't really matter whether they can 'change' or not. The only two caveats I would put on that is-

One, I think the "sexual predator" label should be reserved for the real deal- not the 17 year old who had sex with the 15 year old boyfriend or girlfriend, or the drunk who got busted for "indecent exposure" taking a whizz in an alley.

And two, I think the punishments for abusing kids should be meted out equally, whether the abuser's name is "Aqualung" or "Father O'Flanagan".

[Warren DeMontague]

18. You're defending this fucknut?

This is a new low, even for you.

[hfojvt]

19. that was a defense? I thought it was an inquiry.

If he is a fu$%nut, then explain why to somebody for whom it is not obvious. To declare something a new low is hardly a logical argument. I expect people here to not just react with unreasoning hate to anybody they disagree with. But that's what makes me a heretic.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Your first paragraph assumed some legitimacy to his argument.

Otherwise, there would be no "inquiry". It's kind of like saying "Nazis believe Jews are vermin. So- can you provide a logical rebuttal to this argument?"

His "argument" -the argument that consensual gay adult sex (however you want to parse those quite simple words) is equivalent to pedophila-- it doesn't deserve logic. Get it?

[hfojvt]

22. okay, then pedophiles

as defined in the US, an adult who has consensual sex with a 14 or 15 year old or even beyond that, an adult who finds a 14 year old sexually attractive. They are vermin. They are pervs. Predators. Is that what you are saying? Then why? What is the magic line between child and adult?

As I said later, the equivalence of the two seem pretty clear

both are sexual preferences
presumably neither is chosen
both are accepted, to varying degrees, in other cultures

The argument is more like "Nazis believe Jews are the same as gypsies" except for you any similarities cannot be discussed because you accept without question the premise that gypsies are vermin.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Look. What you are trying to do, and it's a pretty noxious tactic

is maneuver folks in this thread into a position of a) defending the arbitrary nature of some age of consent laws, b) defending adults having sex with children, and/or c) accepting that comparing gays to pedophiles is a legitimate comparison.

Meanwhile, what it seems to me that YOU are doing is calling into question whether or not ANY sort of age of consent laws are appropriate, in any fashion. Because if you can get the concepts of "age" and "consent", and "age of consent", then you understand why consensual adult sex between two members of the same gender and consensual adult sex between two members of the opposite gender are one thing, and sex between adults and kids -whatever the genders- is something completely different.

Do you accept that 'consenting adult' is any kind of standard for the legality of certain behaviors or sex acts? If so, there has to be a cut off point. An age of consent. I think 18 is a pretty legitimate one, being that 18 is the age at which, in our society, most "adult" rights and responsibilities come into play. That said, people under 18 can and do have sex- the first girl I had sex with was 15, and I was 16. One would be hard pressed to explain how that would make me a pedophile, but it does point up the arbitrary and sometimes stupid aspects of some of these laws. There's a woman in Alabama, I think, who has to move out of the house she just bought with her husband, due to being on a 'sex offender' registry- her "crime"? She had consensual sex with a boy who was 15, when she was 17.

I think you'd have to be a ninny, frankly, not to see the difference between a 17 year old having consensual sex with a 15 year old, and a 45 year old having sex with a 13 or 14 year old.

I also think you'd have to be a ninny not to see the clear difference between two adults of the same gender choosing to have sex with each other, and an adult taking advantage of a kid.

It's a noxious, deeply offensive comparison, and I've wasted enough time with it already. Really, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[hfojvt]

26. "no one can make you feel ashamed

without your consent."

Whatever tactics I use, I think my goal is to try to make people see my side, or to see another side without reflexively calling a person who disagrees with you either as evil, insane, bigoted.

At least, you do not convince people that they are wrong simply by calling them names, be it fu$%wad or ninny or trying to tell them they should be ashamed for disagreeing with you or not seeing things your way.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I respect legitimate disagreements. I think I made my points pretty clear

and kept the name-calling to a minimum, considering the subject of the "debate".

See, I'm all for respectful, content-rich dialogue- but I draw the line at things like racism, anti-semitism, sexism, and yes, homophobia. I don't think those "sides" deserve legitimate, time-consuming debate, or respect for that matter. Comparing consenting adult gay sex to pedophilia is about as bigoted and hateful a homophobic position as exists on the subject, but it's clear to me that you don't grasp that simple fact.

Meanwhile, you haven't really backed up your arguments, much less clearly stated them- most of what you've done in this thread is act indignant while protesting about being persecuted.

[BlueJazz]

2. Mr. Marcus Kindley and his Pig-Fucking Constituency need to

..go back to science class and learn about relative thinking.

[SlipperySlope]

3. Isn't it though?

I have no idea what he means by "natural". Some evidence says pedophilia is genetic, so would that make it natural?

But what difference does it make. Being a serial killer could be natural for all I know, but that doesn't mean it is a behavior society will accept.

In the end, being natural does not equate to being accepted. The public debate shouldn't be about what behaviors are "natural", but what behaviors will be accepted (or even encouraged) by society.

[Bluebear]

4. PHOTO>>>>>> Marcus Kindley

[WI_DEM]

6. which one is he? the guy with the beard or the drag queen?

[Bluebear]

7. I assume the one festooned with the exagerrated ribbon.

He looks fresh from a summer stock revival of The Music Man.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. I thought getting "festooned" was still a Felony in Guilford County.

God damn activist librul judges!

[cboy4]

11. The first thing he should prally do is stop dressing so gay!

[WI_DEM]

5. well, he should know!

what a shmuck!

[AnnieBW]

8. I'll Betcha

He's schtupping an underage boy.

[Botany]

9. Me thinks though doth protest too much.

I bet he wears a cowboy outfit and plays dude ranch w/ his buddies.

Freak!

[ComerPerro]

14. If you aren't reproducing, you're worthless

if attitudes like this jerk's were "natural", we wouldn't be discussing this, because every family would have 16 kids and the world population would have reached 40 billion, killing us all off.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. C'mon, lets COURT these folks!

I'm sure there must be some principles we can jettison, some secular whackjobs we can kick in the ass, some gays we can bash, so that we can figure out how to appeal to this man's demographic!

:sarcasm:

[Bluebear]

17. We need to "reach out to them"!

:eyes:

[lildreamer316]

20. I'm gonna go hide under a rock now.

When can I move??
Sheesh.
I'm just kidding...best if I stay here and fight.
Does make one ashamed to be from his county,though...

[LostinVA]

23. I lived in Greensboro for many years -- it always had a large gay communit

Any DUers know if it still does?

It was also a purple city... sad.

[bertha katzenengel]

24. Barf. Hey, thanks for the link to Pam's House Blend -- wow . . .

I didn't even know it existed. So much on the web -- how on earth to know what to look for?!

:bounce:

[bluestateguy]

30. Oh that's nothing. Check out the Texas Republican Party platform

http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServer/2006_Plat_with_TOC_2.pdf?docID=2022

(Page 14)

Homosexuality - We believe that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, recognition, or privileges including, but not limited to, marriage between persons of the same sex, custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

Texas Sodomy Statutes - We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.