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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:51 AM
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Tucker shows talented Olberman and Stewart and even O'Reilly are
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 09:10 AM by Armstead
Before you jump on me about including O'Reilly, please hear me out.

I'd rarely seen Tucker Carlson in his later nite time slot. But now that he's on earlier, I've been watching occasionally as an alternative to Lou Dobbs latest rants about illegal immigration.

Tucker is obviously trying to be a combination of Keith Olberman, the Daily Show and Bill O'Reilly. in other words, a conservative version of all those shows. Snarky, wise-assed, edgy, stirring up fights with his guests, and trying to start fueds with his co-horts in the media and supposedly being humorous while substantial.

But by all those standards, he flunks. He has no sense of humor a la KO and Stweart. He also lacks the heft and indignation of O'Reilly. Anyone who can make O'Reilly look good is at the bottom of the barrel.

His show comes across as a public-access version of Countdown...Or Wayne's World imitating Bill O'Reilly.

For example, he interviewed Mike Papantonio of the Show Ring of Fire. To his credit, Carlson agreed with Mike that the Iraq War was a disaster and that Bush's foreign policy is a trainwreck....But could he actually allow a liberal guest to go unchallenged? Noooooooooo. Carlson had to knit-pick and reobotically repeat the old "Bush bashing" and "You liberals always blame America" mantras.....So the interview could have been scripted by Tom Tomorrow. "Well Mike I agree with you that the iraq War was wrong, and that our current foreign policy is a failure. But why are you liberals always Bashing Bush?"


He is obviously trying to stir the media pot, by taking on his cable competitors and making cogent satiric obversations about the foibles of cable news. Not a bad idea, but his "media criticisms" totally miss the mark. He singled out Anderson Cooper for scorn for pretending to be a reincarnation of Edward R. Murrow, but undercutting that by interviewing Dave Chappel. .....Okay maybe there's a point there, but Tucker totally undermined his own criticism with a whopper of a mistake. "Anderson, if you want to be Edward R. Murrow, then you can't also do celebrity fluff like interviewing Dave Chappel.".......One slight problem. Edward R. Murrow also did a weekly show of fluffy interviews with celebrities.

It's so weak that the seams show. It's like someone said "Well we've gotten a lot of mileage out of the fued between KO ands O'reilly, so Tucker has to try to start feuds too."....So the phoniess of it becomes glaringly obvious.

There is nothing like a bad version of something to make you realize how hard it is to make a good version of something. Watching Tucker makes you realize how sharp and smart KO is. It makes you realize how truly clever Stewart and his crew are.....It even makes you realize that as awaful as he is, O'Reilly at least has a certain weight and a genuine sense of outrage when compared to Tucker.

It almost makes one long for a return of the Abrams Report or Rita Cosby. At least they were so bad they had a negative form of entertainment value.



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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:56 AM
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1. He is horrible ...
I tried to watch him, but couldn't ... Worse than being an jackal conservative, he is an idiot, and I do mean that ...

He did some kind of a piece on schools cracking down on bullying, tried to tie it to that crusty, 90s PC nonsense, then said his position was that kids should be just left to fight it out ... This little bow tie wearing freak, like he was a toughie in school or something ... AND, the way he said it, I don't have the exact wording, kind of was baiting parents to let their kids fight other kids ... BEYOND irresponsible for a mainstream media figure ...

In what little I have watched him, he has had a handful of other situations where he just was stupid ignorant like that ... Pair with, as noted, his hamhanded liberal bashing ... GET HIM THE FREAK OFF THE AIR ...
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:00 AM
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3. He will not last long. Instead of edgy he is strident. Yuck!
Has he lost the bow-tie look??
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:08 AM
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6. Yeah, the kids were left to fight it out at Columbine high school.
The end result was pretty horrible. He is an idiot.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:58 AM
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2. O'Riellly's gravitus and sense of "credibility"
comes from being a class a bully. The narcissism can be convincing to some because many don't really Listen nor question. So, O'Lielly's schtick sells to the authoritarian crowd (thank you, John Dean).

Tucker is not well informed (neither is O'Lielly) but worse than that, he can't bluff. He is a schmuck and that would transcend even without the doofy bowtie. However, the thing that really clinches it for Tucker is that he is a spectator at the show--he doesn't REALLY believe everything he says or puts forth and it shows.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:08 AM
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7. I'm not praising O'Reilly
Just noting the contrast. O'reilly at least has talent as a demagogue. Not a good talent, but it's a step above a no-talent demagogue wannabe.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:03 AM
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25. No... I didn't think that you were...
And yes, it is hard to deny that he is an "effective" demagogue.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:03 AM
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4. He should be promoted to Floor 500 where the walls are made of gold. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:07 AM
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5. DING DING DING! Armstead, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 09:26 AM by rocknation
Tucker is obviously trying to be a...conservative version...of Keith Olberman, The Daily Show and Bill O'Reilly...(He)...comes across as a public-access version of Countdown, or Wayne's World imitating Bill O'Reilly.

So this is his new strategy, huh? Well, I say that the only reason why Tucker still has a job is because MSNBC doesn't want to pay out his contract. At least Rachel Maddow is free of him--and is now free to appear on other news programs.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:09 AM
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8. What happened with Rachel Maddow?
She was the only redeeming thing on his show in its early days. Did they have a tiff?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:16 AM
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10. No, she said yesterday that her contract with MSNBC had ended
and Tucker's earlier time shot made it impossible for her to continue to appear. So they either paid out on her contract or didn't renew it.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:15 AM
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20. If MSNBC were smart they'd give her a show of her own
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:12 AM
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9. He needs his bow tie back.
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tives12 Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:33 AM
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11. I couldn't stand Rita Cosby.
Not because of her politics...I actually don't even know what those are. I didn't watch long enough to get to know her. I just knew that I couldn't stand her voice.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:44 AM
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13. Actually Tucker's voice is almost as bad
When he gets emphatic, his voice goes up several octaves, and he sounds like a high-school guy whining because he has to stay home after dinner.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:47 AM
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16. Same here
like nails across a chalk board........eeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkk..as far as bow tie boy goes...never could stomach him I hope he leaves soon.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:39 AM
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12. "Wayne's World imitating Bill O'Reilly."
Boy that says it all.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:46 AM
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14. By mistake I watched and heard about 5 min. of that
disaster. He is stupid and ineffectual as a program host.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:46 AM
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15. By mistake I watched and heard about 5 min. of that
disaster. He is stupid and ineffectual as a program host.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:53 AM
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17. Tucker is guilty of outright lying. He claimed Dan Rather had to quit
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 09:54 AM by oasis
because he pushed "a story that had no basis in truth". Bush's AWOL story. "No basis in truth"?

And Tucker repeated the lie.:grr:
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:07 AM
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18. Among other things, Carlson's fundamental brattiness...
...is what dooms him to perpetual lightweight status, but O'Reilly's "heft"?

If O'Reilly seems hefty, it's only the sort of heft that comes from being a bellowing blowhard who doesn't stop yelling over people long enough for them to point out that whatever made-up "statistic" O'Reilly just pulled out of his rear end doesn't even exist. He's just an airhead with a booming voice. Exhausting to try and watch for any length of time.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:14 AM
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19. I don;t disagree about O'Reilly but....
..we have to give credit where credit is due. It does take a certain talent as a performer to be a bloviating egomaniac, and still convince people he's "on their side."

I mentioned him to make the comparison to Tucker, who is a lightweight compared to O'Reilly. Thaty's damming with faint praise, regarding O'reilly.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:38 AM
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22. I guess I don't see much comparison between Carlson and O'Reilly...
...I see Carlson as trying to be "hip" in the manner of KO, Jon Stewart, and even Anderson Cooper rather than any sort of demogogue a la O'Reilly.

There is nothing hip about O'Reilly, and I'm sure he and his viewers would be the first to say so. In fact, they no doubt would affect to revel and thrill in the description. The central underpinning of the program's appeal to its viewers is the validation of their very unhipness and reverence for the middle aged angry white male sensibility.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:19 AM
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21. Tucker is and always will be an ASSHOLE
nt.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:51 AM
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23. I watched Tucker yesterday. His show is just really bad.
:puke:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:56 AM
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24. The main problem with Lil' Tuckie Boy is that he doesn't...
...appear to do his homework.

He's lazy. He's predictable. He's not inventive. He is a phony brat with obvious roots from a Repug family that he never grew out of.

His career will likely take him to some back-office production gig of a future Ann Coulter...which will also fail.
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The Great Escape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:16 AM
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26. He Still Has His Weekly Slot On The Bubba The Love Sponge Show On Sirius..
Tucker used to smoke Marlboro Reds and drink Malt Liquor!
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