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everythingsxen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:42 PM Original message |
Someone explain to me why Israel is "targeting" civilians |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Its called collective punishment |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes! It's in direct violation of international law! |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Can you please provide a citation for that? nt |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Here is some info on that... |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Again I ask you, what evidence do you have that Israel has violated |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Here is what is defined as violations of international law as per |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. You're wasting your time |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. LOL, I know but it is great to get the opening to post actual facts |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. some more |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Gosh, I hope you don't mind if I add some more as well |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. as I posted on another thread |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Yes, and from what we have been given to understand this |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Is a suicide bomber blowing themselves up on a bus collective punishment? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. How about resolution 242? n/t |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Would you like to answer my question first? nt |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. ROFLMAO! |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. you see, this is my point |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. The issue being discussed is Israel's targeting of civilians |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Following protocol, I see |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 06:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
86. The Lebanese people are being unfairly targeted |
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Ignoramus (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. Punishing a population for that is collective punishment |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Again, what is your evidence? nt |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I will leave it to others to determine whether what I provided has |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. In other words, you have no evidence. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. In other words, you have no argument |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. agree. I agree I suspect the destruction of the civilian infrastructure |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. And why would they want to do that? nt |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. collective punishment has long been there strategy |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You're right, collective punishment doesn't work. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. I don't think you would convince a number of human rights organization |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Well, I read the Amnesty link but I'm confused... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. as far as Hamas is concerned they had already indicated that |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You just don't get it yet. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. but Hezbollah is not going to be removed from Lebanon |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Of course Israel wants that. That is all they have ever wanted. nt |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:19 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I think if you check the record |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. No, you just seem to not get it |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
88. Certain members of the Israeli military and government |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
82. Seeing as much of the world |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
87. But, they have targeted civilians |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. You believe they are targeting civilians? nt |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Yes |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. What evidence do you have for this? nt |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. There is no amount of evidence, in any form |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. O.K., so you simply have faith, not evidence. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yeah, that's right. Checkmate. Well played. |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. No guile and cunning here....just logic and reason. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
73. Hope for peace? |
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raysr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. 10 to 1 civilian deaths |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. What is your point? nt |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
90. What a knee slapper! |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. lol |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
77. easy there |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
89. Your eyes are the evidence, your mind is the evidence |
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everythingsxen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I see.. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Look |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Wrong |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Your guess is as good as mine. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. They may not be targetting them, but they are killing them... |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. They are not targeting civilians...but I think you know that already. nt |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why? |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. They hate who? nt |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. They hate Lebanese |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. They do? Why do they hate the Lebanese? nt |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. That is a great question |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Are you going to answer my question or not? nt |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
65. too complicated to get into here |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. You mean the Hezbollah attacks? I agree. nt |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
66. To me, |
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everythingsxen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Ah of course! |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Yeah, cheap thrills |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
75. Israel simply does not care |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
83. They got away with it in 1982, so they probably think it's worth it again |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
18. They aren't |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
68. Really? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
91. Oh yes, they are |
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everythingsxen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
94. I know they aren't... |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
27. they are not... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
67. Give me a break |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
28. They aren't. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. You know the answer... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
84. Dairy farms? Pharmaceutical plants? Central Beirut? Grain silos? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
33. Deleted message |
rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Why don't you explain to us what exactly it means for Jews to be "chosen" |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
81. this is the post of the week. |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
34. Where are the Hezbollah targets? |
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MarkDevin (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
35. As I wrote in another discussion thread... |
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Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
54. Bombs from high is the sky don't distinguish christian and shiite, |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
57. It's called terrorism. It's the moist effective form of warfare. |
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CuteNFuzzy (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #57 |
78. "It's the moist effective form" |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. It's all about moisture. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
64. They are not, so they can not provide you a valid answer |
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NVMojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
71. genocide, elimination of a race, racial cleansing ...etc ... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
85. "Anti Israeli types" -- whatever |
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Ignoramus (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Exactly. What anti-Israeli types? Where? |
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cantstandbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
92. It may dowell for people to research who the current Isarelis in power are |
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