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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:28 AM
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The Demise of Public Health in 21st Century United States
Whereas the Bush administration makes a mess out of everything that it touches, its toxic effects on the science and profession of public health is of special concern to me because I have worked all of my 30 year career in public health and it is the only activity at which I know how to make a living.

The purpose of public health, as I discuss in my (unfortunately grossly over-priced) 1997 book, is to preserve and protect the health of human populations. Based on the science of epidemiology, which illuminates the causes of human health, disease and death, public health achievements have contributed to marked increases in human life expectancy in the United States and elsewhere. These achievements have included such wide-ranging activities as the development of pure drinking water supplies, the investigation of epidemics, infectious disease prevention with vaccines, discovery of the effects of smoking, the use of seat belts, life style education on the prevention of coronary heart disease, government agencies and regulations that address the safety of consumer products, and (dare I mention it) family planning clinics.

Almost all public health professionals are liberals (I have never known one who admitted to being conservative or a Republican or to having any racist tendencies.) The reason for that is that the very existence of the profession of Public Health implies the belief that an important function of government is to protect and improve the health of its citizens. And as such, Public Health is seldom practiced outside of government.


Intrinsic conflicts between Public Health and the George W. Bush administration

Public health is against everything that the Bush administration and its Republican fellow travelers stand for – especially with regard to two fundamental issues:

First, public health uses science rather than ideology to ascertain its strategies for protecting people. For example, the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, relies to a very large extent on condoms. The fact that some people consider it immoral to discuss with teenagers the potential life saving effects of condoms is of little concern to the vast majority of public health professionals. To them, the fact that condoms save lives is the bottom line consideration in deciding whether or not to discuss or advocate them.

Secondly, the field of public health is concerned with human disease, death, and quality of life, and not the accumulation of short term profits by corporations. This is a crucial point because the concern for corporate profits often sharply conflict with the goals of public health. For example, allowing a corporation to pollute our water or atmosphere may provide great economic benefits to that corporation, but at the expense of the health of the people who have to breathe the air or drink the water.


Examples of how the Bush administration neglects and even wars against public health

Infant mortality rate
Infant mortality rate is often cited as an excellent indicator of the state of public health of a nation or community, because public health activities have been shown to exert a pronounced effect on it. Prior to George Bush being selected as president in 2000 the United States had experienced tremendous declines in infant mortality, with a continuing steady decline since 1958 and a three-fold decrease since 1970.

Then, in 2002 the United States experienced its first increase in infant mortality since 1958. The close timing of this unfortunate occurrence with the presidency of George W. Bush was no accident. As explained by Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association (APHA), potential reasons for the surprising turnaround in infant mortality in this country include: “women receiving less prenatal care or losing their jobs, cuts to nutrition programs, and climbing poverty rates”.

The politicization of public health decisions at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
The FDA was created as a science based organization committed to evaluating foods, drugs, biological products, and now medical devices, for their safety and/or effectiveness, so as to protect potential consumers against dangerous or ineffective products. They make a big deal out of their claim to be a “science based” organization.

My experience in working for the FDA since George Bush got hold of it says otherwise, as does a recent poll conducted on FDA scientists by the “Union of Concerned Scientists”, described in a Reuters article. The results of that poll, based on 997 anonymous respondents (including myself), included 15% of FDA scientists saying that they had been “asked, for non-scientific reasons, to inappropriately exclude or alter technical information or my conclusions in an FDA scientific document”, 17% saying that they had been asked “to provide incomplete, inaccurate or misleading information to the public, regulated industry, media or elected/senior government officials”, and 40% saying that they feared retaliation if they voiced concerns about product safety in public.

The article goes on to state that (surprise, surprise!) an FDA spokeswoman dismissed the findings, saying that they were “based on leading questions and innuendo.” Well, I never heard poll results referred to as “innuendo” before. And if “Have you been asked, for non-scientific reasons, to inappropriately exclude or alter technical information or your conclusions in an FDA scientific document?” is a leading question, I wouldn’t know how else to ask it. It is also interesting that Reuters refers to the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) as “left-leaning” – I guess because believing that science is a more reliable tool than ideology for ascertaining reality automatically qualifies one as “left-leaning” these days.

My own FDA experiences have been no better than those suggested by the UCS poll. I have talked with colleagues about groups of FDA scientists who spent months reviewing a product and decided it was too dangerous to be approved, only to be over-ruled by higher level FDA managers with little familiarity with the product, for no stated reason. My own manuscript which described research involving ruptured aortic aneurysms associated with a medical device used to prevent those occurrences was pulled by the FDA Commissioner just prior to being published, following conversations with the manufacturer. The FDA, against opposition from consumer groups such as NOW, continues to push silicone breast implants, a product with a rupture rate estimated at 30% to 70%, which frequently requires repeat surgery to address the resulting clinical problems. And then there was the scandal where the FDA ignored the warnings of Dr. David Graham about the lethal effects of the drug Vioxx, until publicity on the matter forced it to stop ignoring the situation.

Hurricane Katrina
Probably the most obvious failure of public health by the Bush administration concerns its lack of preparation for and response to Hurricane Katrina. Despite recommendations from its own Army Core of Engineers that the New Orleans levees could not withstand a major hurricane, the Bush administration decided not to repair them. Then, despite adequate warnings, George Bush sat around and partied rather than initiate an evacuation or rescue plan for the people of New Orleans, while hundreds or thousands of potentially preventable deaths were occurring. And when he finally got around to coming to New Orleans he ordered rescue workers to pose with him for a photo-op rather than commence with the urgently needed rescue of hurricane victims.

Other major obstructions of public health initiatives by the Bush administration
Perhaps the natural phenomenon with the greatest potential for catastrophic public health consequences is global warming. An Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that of 928 scientific peer reviewed articles on climate change, not a single one disagreed with the scientific consensus view that global warming is produced by greenhouse gases due to industrial activities, is highly likely to have catastrophic effects on the world population, and can be mitigated only by changing the industrial causes of the production of greenhouse gases. Yet George Bush has responded to this threat by denying that it is a major problem, making the United States one of two countries in the world that has refused to participate in the Kyoto protocol for reducing the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, and by silencing the top climate expert at NASA, Dr. Jim Hansen, who has called for “prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming”.

AIDS is likely to be the worst epidemic in the history of the world, predicted to reach 100 million world-wide deaths by 2020. Probably the best public health measure to prevent AIDS is education on the use of condoms. The Bush administration has not only refused to promote this, but it has actually actively obstructed its own scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from continuing this crucial preventive measure.

Research using embryonic stem cells has the potential to produce major advancements on a number of public health fronts. Yet, in order to pander to his religious base, George Bush has refused to fund this research, even going so far as to use his first and only presidential veto (Note the typical hypocrisy of opponents of embryonic stem cell research on display in the photo accompanying this article. Bush is holding a baby who was adopted as an embryo, the implication being that funding of embryonic stem cell research may have resulted in the baby’s sacrifice to research – an implication that is about as reality based as Bush’s contention that he invaded Iraq in order to prevent Saddam Hussein from attacking the United States with weapons of mass destruction.)


The future of public health in a Republican controlled nation

As Bush’s defenders like to say, “at least he’s consistent” – and I’ll agree with them on that score. His attitude towards public health is no different than his attitude towards government in general.

In the world of the George W. Bush and all his Republican followers, government either has no useful purpose at all, or else its only purpose is to fight imperialistic wars and to eliminate restrictions on powerful corporations so that the rich get richer at the expense of everyone else. Public Health has no place in that world, unless it is contracted out to private corporations, in which case their ability to roll up profits will inevitably conflict with and take priority over public health concerns.

The practice of Public Health is based on science rather than on ideology, and since that science often conflicts with Republican ideology, Public Health must be sacrificed so that the Republicans can pander to their ideological base. And since public health costs money it must be abandoned so that Republicans can lavish more tax relief on their rich benefactors.

Republicans have made it perfectly clear that neither Public Health nor any other government function that helps people in general, as opposed to their wealthy supporters, has any place in their system of government. Whether the issue be veterans’ health benefits, the availability of adequate health care to all Americans, or the promotion of public health policies to protect the health of the current and future generations of Americans, Republicans have made it quite clear where they stand. Only a fool would believe that any of that is going to change if another Republican Congress is voted in this fall.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:07 AM
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1. We are blindly charging toward a future where we will be sicker,
weaker, poorer, and die sooner. Whereas we used to do whatever we could to improve our children's chances to create a brighter future, we have now moved to trying to blight their future. It is insane.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:42 AM
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4. This so-called "pro-life" administration doesn't care about any of that
Nor does most of our Republican Congress.

Americans better figure that out before it's too late.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:20 AM
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2. surprising turnaround in infant mortality in this country include:
Pro-life, not so pro-life. Speak out both sides of your mouth, achieve conflicting results, let my people go find their own ways to survive, do as we say, not as we do, welcome to the Neocon America, the joke's on you.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:02 AM
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5. Right - They're "pro-life"
Send our soldiers to Iraq to support Halliburton.

Support stem cell rights.

Support the right to life of people who have been brain dead for over 10 years.
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filer Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:40 AM
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3. Isn't it called Social Darwinism?
Those living in gated communities will enjoy the best health care money can buy. The rest of us riffraff can fend for ourselves and die sooner, leaving more room for the superior gene pool. Health care for all Americans? Don't be silly. We have wars to wage and taxes to cut.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:23 AM
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6. "leaving more room for the superior gene pool"
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 09:23 AM by hobbit709
Want to bet that the inbreeding among the rich will lead to the same problems the royal houses of Europe had? Actually the gene pool among the poor will be better suited for survival in the long run.
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filer Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:17 AM
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11. Now that you mention it,
I'll bet that's what's wrong with W.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:56 PM
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19. True enough, but
If the poor are too sick or weak or worn out or dead or just too plain poor to buy their products, clean their toilets, and fight their wars, what then? Even for them this is shortsighted policy. And of course, when they make the planet uninhabitable, it will be uninhabitable for them too. This isn't Heinlein's universe.

Welcome to DU, filer :hi:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:20 AM
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38. People are not in a superior gene pool just because they are rich.
Where do the teachers, the professors, the scientists, paramedics, and nurses rank?


Oh, and don't forget the PajamaBloggers.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:53 AM
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39. That is most certainly true
People who voted for Bush in 2004 in general had substantially more money than Kerry voters, but at the same time had substantially less education.

It makes me wonder how these people get their money.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:32 AM
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7. Have you noticed the recent surge in PSA on bird flu? tin hat time:
ok, please talk me out of this (tin foil hat time):

-If Dems take over congress, there will be real investigations into criminal activity, so the R's must come up with either a way to insure (steal) another win, which will be more difficult this time due to failing approval and more scrutiny.

-Govt secured ~ 100,000 doses of vaccine for bird flu and told manufacturer didn't need more.

Could it be that a disease could be released in urban areas (read high Dem) right before the election which could suppress the Dem vote (urban areas usually support Dems) even more than the GOP disenfranchisement efforts?

Am I going over the edge with my mistrust?

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:31 AM
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12. i get more and more cynical
but it is never enough to keep up.
i would not put anything past these monsters.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:36 AM
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13. i wish we could make infant mortality the measure of
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 10:38 AM by mopinko
a civilized nation. even before this, it was easy to see that prejudice and discrimination existed in this country by looking at the infant mortality rate.
we need to replace "build roads and provide for defense" as the basic job of government with "feed and care for pregnant women and children". everything else will take care of itself.

edited to say i meant this to reply to the op.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:58 AM
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17. This is what I think mod mom
As someone who believes firmly in MIHOP, obviously I don't think that you're going over the edge with your mistrust. And obviously, I don't think that there is anything that is too immoral for these people. They want to stay in power, it's just a matter of how badly they want to stay in power, and how afraid they are of the consequences of turning over power at this time, given the possible investigations, etc.

However, I don't believe that bird flu would be their mechanism. In the first place, bird flu does not spread well among humans, so it is highly unlikely that it would have the effect they wanted. Of course there is always the possibility that they could use bio-engineering to make the bird flu more contagious, but I doubt that anyone knows how to do that. And in general, biowarfare is a very difficult way to pursue a goal like this. In addition, they would be putting themselves at risk if they tried that, because they would be uncertain as to how to control it once it got started.

I think it much more likely that they would simply declare martial law, call the elections off, etc., if they thought that they were going to lose and that they couldn't cheat enough to maintain control of Congress. Or, perhaps they could try another "terrorist attack" of the 9-11 variety. I think that a biological attack is most unlikely, however.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:38 PM
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26. thank you-I can sleep a little better now, although I agree the desire to
stay in power supercedes another care for the general welfare of the american people. :(
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:12 PM
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23. Here's what I think mod mom:
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 04:09 PM by Time for change
You may know that I am a firm believer in MIHOP - for most of the reasons that I describe in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=73406&mesg_id=73406

Therefore, obviously I don't think that you are going over the edge with your mistrust, since I myself don't believe that there is anything too immoral for these guys to do.

I believe that it is very important for them to continue to maintain power, if for no other reasons than to prevent investigations into their many crimes. So, I believe that they would do anything they had to do to maintain power, IF they thought that they could get away with it.

However, I seriously don't believe that spreading bird flu would be near the top of their list. For one thing, it's not very contagious among humans, so it would die out quickly and not affect too many people. Of course, they could try to bio-engineer it to make it more contagious, but I don't believe that anybody knows how to do that. In any event, biological warfare is not a very reliable means of accomplishing one's objectives - if for no other reasons than that they would thereby risk acquiring the disease themselves.

I think that a far more reliable way to maintain their power would be to declare martial law and cancel the elections -- if they thought that they couldn't steal enough votes to maintain control of Congress. Or, barring that, they might stage another 9-11 type of terrorist attack. Who knows what these bastards will do. We definitely need to be on the lookout for just about anything.

On edit: I didn't realize that I had already answered this question. I thought that my previous response had not gone through. Oh well, now you have two very similar answers to your question. :)
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:47 AM
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8. Public Health scientists are losing grants
My hubby is a public health scientist at one of the leading research universities in our country. He is leading some cutting edge projects on the causes and prevention of cancers but the money from the federal govt is in short supply (some exciting stuff that could make a difference in our lifetimes). The future of our health and our kids' health is seriously being affected.

And you are correct about the political persuasion. We know leading scientists in our community and all over this country including Nobel Prize winners because hubby has been in this business for nearly 30 years--they are a tight bunch. The overwhelming majority of these men and women would not vote republican.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:31 PM
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27. That is such a shame
I have to believe that if our national news media covered this kind of thing to any significant degree, the Republicans would not be able to get away with it.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:57 PM
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33. NIH funding
I think I read that federal funding of NIH has been cut, which conducts vast amounts of research on disease prevention and treatment. When research is funded by private corporations, or "privatized", the study's sponsors have a financial stake in the results. The study itself can be set up in a biased way, to produce results favorable to the sponsor; the sponsor may disregard any results that don't support the corporation's bottom line; and the sponsor won't share the results of the study with other researchers, as they are now the competitors. Also, corporations, like drug companies, will only conduct research if there's big money to be made at the end.

I'm sorry that your husband's work is being affected due to lack of funds. In the end, we'll all be hurt; results of this type of research would ultimately benefit the greatest number of people.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:48 AM
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9. Excellent, excellent post!...
bookmarking for further review, when I've got the the time that this post deserves.

Too many, even on this board, see public health as an intrusion into their lives. Seat belts? Fuck that - I don't need no stinkin' government telling me what to do. Smoking? They're my own goddammed lungs and I can do whatever I want with 'em. Smoking around kids? Don't tell me how to raise my children, my parents smoked around me and I turned out OK. Vaccinations? No way, those things'll give my kids autism.

Many see the FDA as nothing more than a tool of "big Pharma", and don't realize that there are hundreds (thousands?) of people such as yourself who take pride in protecting the public from dangerous food products, pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements.

Keep fighting the good fight, knowing that there are many of us who do recognize and appreciate all that our Public Health officials do to protect us.

Sid
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:21 PM
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28. Thank you very much Sid
I've seen thousands of us at a single conference -- way too many for the Republicans to dispose of without a great big fight.

They can get rid of the few at the top and replace them with their robots, but public health institutions throughout the country are still filled with those of us who know what's going on and won't go down easily.
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RonHack Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:51 AM
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10. Let's not forget the troops......
You said:
"In the world of the George W. Bush and all his Republican followers, government either has no useful purpose at all, or else its only purpose is to fight imperialistic wars and to eliminate restrictions on powerful corporations so that the rich get richer at the expense of everyone else. Public Health has no place in that world, unless it is contracted out to private corporations, in which case their ability to roll up profits will inevitably conflict with and take priority over public health concerns."

Which jarred me to add:

Ooooh, oooooh, let's not forget their two-faced support for our troops. They say, "If you're against the war, you're against the troops", while refusing to investigate Halliburton's distribution of dirty water, diseased food not even a dog would touch, and price gouging taxpayers at every turn.

But let's not forget credit for our Administration, refusing financing for body armor and the TOOLS our soldiers need to do the job right, while poisoning them with depleted uranium dust (from our own armanent, of all things), and denying them benefits......

The list can go on.

Methinks that the Repukes are trying to speed up their "superiority domination" by commiting slow genocide on the rest of this country.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:35 PM
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29. Exactly
They're simply bleeding the rest of the country dry so that they can have total control over everything.

And our corporate news media lets them get away with it.

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rabblerowzer Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:36 AM
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14. Lord, deliver us from Republicanism

The Republican Party is a coalition of crooks, morons and religious fanatics.

Lord, deliver us from Republicanism.


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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:37 AM
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15. Replacing honesty with dishonesty in everything they do.
I believe it is a very deliberate bush administration policy to make the jobs of honest public health officials intolerable. They squeeze out the good people so they can replace them with their own rotten people.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:49 AM
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16. we need the mother of all firehoses to wash out the fetid mess
that the Bush administration has made out of our government. Then we need purification rites to drive out all the demons that may still be lurking.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:41 PM
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18. I've noticed in the last ten years how hospitals aren't as clean
as they used to be kept when I worked in hospitals back in the early sixties. Back then everything was sanitized over and over again. It seems they don't have enough cleaning staff because of budget restrictions, but professionals like Drs. and nurses don't feel it's their job to pick up anything that is lying on the floor or tossed about.

The last time my husband was in the hospital I had to pick up trash that had fallen on the floor from different procedures they had done on him. Then I noticed his bathroom wasn't very clean, so I cleaned it. There was dust also on places like the window sills. It seems that the most that was done on a daily basis was change the linens.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:34 PM
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30. Personally, I feel that one of the biggest problems with hospitals these
days is that they don't try very hard to provide sufficient pain medication to keep patients reasonably comfortable. When I took my mother to the hospital a couple of years ago I had to almost constantly beg the staff to keep up with the pain medication, and finally they got the point.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:04 AM
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45. Most hospital policy's state that patients have a right to have
their pain taken seriously and treated. That said, find someone to carry it out. Patient rights workers in the hospitals are administrators that will give you a no. you can call and complain to at a time in some distant future. The staff can be emotionally or verbally abusive because they barely have time to deal with the treatments of the illiness.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:19 PM
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20. k& r
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:37 PM
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21. It's easy to dismiss the GOP's record...
... on many things, especially healthcare. The GOP used to accrue much mileage by dismissing the Dems shortcomings in many areas too. Yet the GOP continues to lead the DNC in one key area - their agenda is as clear as water while the DNC's is as murky as mud.

Time and time again the DNC transmits an agenda that is full of well-sounding rhetoric, outlining a series of platitudinous objectives. The DLC, the resident 5th column, does so as well - both are seemingly progressive in their objectives. Yet at least the DLC's "agenda" is a rhetorical sugarcoating for what is virtually the GOP's agenda - eg. "adequate healthcare" via outsourcing to pharma, the AMA and insurance.

My question is - what of the DNC? Does it follow the DLC's/GOP's neoliberal strategy of just giving more to the already too-wealthy medical triumvirate? Or does it stand for a truly national health program as virtually every 1st world nation has?

I recently read an op-ed (posted somewhere on this site) calling for "affordable healthcare". It liberally used the European and Canadian examples - but was careful to not mention precisely how the "affordable" will be put into practice. I fear that the purported opposition, the DNC, is far from being one - it is almost completely in the throes of neoliberalism and corporatism.

So what gives? You mention the threat of a privately-outsourced health system under the GOP. The DLC supports the same. What of the DNC? And why in the hell can't it be clear on the subject?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:12 PM
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25. If you're saying that there isn't a big difference between the two parties
Take a look at this post about the relative positions on various issues. Most Senate Republicans have a 0% rating by APHA. Most Dems have 100% or close to it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2757042

And talking about being in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. When it came to a vote to allow Medicare to negotiate prices with the pharmaceutical industry, the amendment was narrowly defeated, with only two Democrats voting against it:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00060
So, whatever position and power the DLC has, the Democrats vote pro-health care the good majority of the time.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:12 AM
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36. It wasn't the central point of my post
but now that you ask, there is much merit to the statement.

Please note that I'm writing from abroad where there is a wide spectrum of political parties and ideologies ranging from Communist to Fascist.

Nonetheless, I am aware of the cosmetic differences between the parties and their stances on talkingpoint issues. The GOP indeed a woeful record from the perspective of certain groups compared to a better record by Dems. But just how pertinent is this in light of the ideological spectrum?

Our system of government is based on party and, I'm sorry to say, a certain political naivite of the electorate. The voting records of the opposition are bound to be the opposite of those of the party in power (with the notable exception of the DLC) - which does not reflect what the opposition actually stands for. At the same time the positions can be quite similar and only differ on minor points.

I asked if the DNC stands for a national health service such as that enjoyed by almost all the 1st world. Nobody seems to be able to answer this question, while the rhetoric spewed by both the DNC and DLC mention such terms as "affordable" without saying how this will be put into practice. From the perusal of DNC and DLC stances I come to the conclusion that both "sectors" have embraced neoliberalism in one form or another, be it the unadulterated version or the sugar-coated "third way" version... which means that the private sector will be a major part of either group's initiative.

I find it very disheartening that neither group sees fit to trust the electorate by actually expressing an outline of how they will go about achieving "affordable" healthcare. I know my history (and remember my experiences) well enough to know that this bodes no good.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:54 PM
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41. Take national health care for example
Bill Clinton, considered a moderate Democrat, tried very hard at the beginning of his Presidency to enact a national health care plan - and he had the support of many Democrats. But his plan was blocked by a massive attack by special interest groups.

Yes, some Democrats buckled under the pressure and voted against national health care. I don't condone that, but I also realize that Democrats are in a very difficult predicament, with our national news media being almost totally alligned against any movement to the left whatsoever.

You say that their voting record doesn't reflect what they actually stand for? I don't understand your reasoning on that. If anything, I believe that most Democrats are more liberal than their voting records indicate, but they feel that they will be blasted by our corporate news media if they show signs of leaning too far left, so they are ultra-cautious sometimes.

But only some of them. With the current composition of Congress, Democrats can't get much accomplished, and they shouldn't be blamed for that. I think we will see major changes if and when we get a Democratic Congress (minus Lieberman) and President.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:57 PM
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42. The media is against the DNC?
Then why hasn't it made waves in trying to return to the fairness doctrine? It seems that the DNC has been emasculated since Reagan's day - and to a great extent I blame the DLC.

"You say that their voting record doesn't reflect what they actually stand for? I don't understand your reasoning on that. If anything, I believe that most Democrats are more liberal than their voting records indicate, but they feel that they will be blasted by our corporate news media if they show signs of leaning too far left, so they are ultra-cautious sometimes. "

You at least partially exemplified my comment. Nevertheless and beyond the lack of spine that keeps some lib dems from being lib, a good number of politicos are timeservers.

"But only some of them. With the current composition of Congress, Democrats can't get much accomplished, and they shouldn't be blamed for that. I think we will see major changes if and when we get a Democratic Congress (minus Lieberman) and President. "

I am not nearly so sanguine. But hope springs eternal!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:47 PM
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43. No, I'm not saying the media is against the DNC specifically, I'm saying
that they're against Democrats in general, and especially any Democrat that they see as too far to the left or who makes too many waves. I talk about that at great length in this post:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/62

As far as why they don't make waves about returning to the fairness doctrine, perhaps they see that as political suicide at this time. They would probably be castigated by the media if they did that -- so perhaps it is wise to wait until they have the guns to do something about it before sticking their head in the lion's mouth.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:52 AM
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44. I know...
...I was being sarcastic about the media. It is so obviously biased as to be a disgrace.

As for waiting for the chance to reinstate the fairness doctrine, this is an example of the emasculation I mentioned. For DECADES the Dems have "held back"... and as they held back they abandoned the New Deal and embraced neoliberalism.

I don't buy it. These people run on political expediency - and I fear that many Dem supporters are blinded by wishful thinking... believing that their party is going to raise, phoenix-like, and return to the days and ideals of FDR and JFK.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:41 AM
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46. I certainly agree that taking the media back has to be a MAJOR priority
I am praying that if and when the Dems take back Congress this fall they will have learned their lesson, and they will get right down to it.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:24 AM
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37. On national healthcare
I live in Spain and am a user of the national healthcare system. It provides 100% care with no cost to me beyond what I pay in taxes and includes discounts on already-cheap prescriptions (eg., 20 tabs of tetracycline costs around $3.50 and through national health around $2.25). ANYONE in Spain, citizen, resident, tourist, illegal alien - has the right to healthcare at no cost.

Having a knee condition I originally opted for a private insurance policy. Around 5 years ago it cost me approximately $40/month... with a $1 deductible for ANY intervention from an office visit to surgery. I dropped it when I discovered that the quality wasn't much better than what the state provided.

Insurance companies here make big profits despite these outrageously low costs (the cost of living isn't all that much lower here than in the US... outside healthcare). How can this state of affairs exist?

It's quite simple. In Spain (and the rest of Europe) insurance companies and doctors have had to learn to COMPETE with the states' system, while in the US both have a de facto monopoly on healthcare. Doctors and nurses here make a decent living - although perhaps not on the same level as doctors over there. At the same time "malpractice" has a different footing; "damages" are awarded as per set costs and negligence is punished not so much with cash but with the loss of license or even jail time.

It's time that the Sherman Anti-trust legislation be applied to the cabal of insurance, AMA and pharma over there. And it's about time that someone actually starts to talk about a national health system such as that of the rest of the 1st world.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:43 PM
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22. Terrific post by Time for change! K&R...
I have a question for those here who work in Public Health:

My 21 year old daughter is a junior in college. She's in the process of deciding a career path, and she's considering a masters degree in public health.

If you were a junior in college today, knowing what you know, would you embark upon a career in public heath?

Reading this thread leads me to believe that the underpinnings of the work have been undermined so badly (and the federal debt run up so irresponsibly) that it may take decades (if ever) to undo the damage.

Am I being too pessimistic? Would you advise your child to get into the work? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:06 PM
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24. That's a very difficult question for me, & I have mixed feelings about it
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 04:54 PM by Time for change
On the one hand, I am going through a phase now where I am quite distressed about what is going on in the FDA, and I have a more negative attitude towards my job than I have ever had, with a couple of possible short term exceptions. Consequently, I feel like I would like to change paths, but I don't know what else I could do and still earn decent money. But it's not all bad. I continue to fight my small battles, hoping for victories here and there. For example, if you read the link to the WSJ article in my OP, I am continuing to work on that case and may soon be able to submit another research paper where the evidence may be so overwhelming that they won't be able to squelch it this time -- and then we'll see what happens this time.

On the other hand, I think that public health is a great field. And there are many signs that our country is about to turn a corner. All polls show the Dems doing quite well this November, and I think there is a good chance that, with a fair election (and that's a big IF) we will take back Congress. With Dems in control of both houses of Congress and with a Democratic President, I believe that we will see a big change in public health practice in this country. In other words, I'm cautiously optimistic that there is a big change coming. But NOT until we get the Republicans out of control.

AND, I think that anyone going into Public Health these days should be prepared for some big fights. Thank God we still have a civil service. What that means is that we can speak our mind and voice our objections without fear of being fired -- for now. But Bush Co and his fellow Repukes would like to dismantle that as well.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:33 PM
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31. Thank you Time for change!
I think you're right - the pendulum may be swinging back.

And thank you for looking out for us through your work. I'm retired from working for the government in a human services field, and I always said that the front line workers in professional government jobs were some of the greatest people around. I know that we were far better at what we did than our private counterparts. We operated with zero conflicts of interest - the person sitting across the desk from us was always our only concern. In my area it was almost always middle and upper management, not the front-line professionals, who messed things up and created occasional bad PR for our organization.

Anyway, keep looking out for us. It is greatly appreciated, and many of us probably owe our health, and even our lives, to the work you people do. I'll pass your comments on to my daughter.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:02 AM
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35. Thank you Iowa - and good luck to your daughter
:toast:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:51 PM
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32. K & R
:kick:
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:16 AM
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34. Great post! The list of how the public has been short-changed with
regard to public health could go on and on. Another example is lack of oversight in the meat industry by the USDA. The "mad cow disease" is probably already in our food supply, to some extent, but since symptoms might not show up for 10 or more years, we won't know we have it or where we got it until too late. It is thought that some Alzheimer patients actually suffer from BSE (the mad cow disease).

Of course, the beef and other food industries want to limit regulations that would improve the health of the animals on their factory farms, as this would cut into profits. They also want to minimize testing of their animals for the disease.
Naturally, our cowboy president accommodates the desires of private industry over the health and safety of our citizens.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:55 AM
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40. Thank you Pinky - The list is long indeed
The only priority of this administration is consolidation of money and power in the hands of a very few people. Anything that benefits the public is not even a last priority - it's no priority at all.
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