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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:41 PM
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Breaking: Man confesses to murdering Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman
OK, actually it has been a dozen people who have "confessed" to killing them. But we haven't heard about any of them...yet. Stay tuned.

Don


http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national/article/0,1406,KNS_350_4932699,00.html

Innocents often confess falsely to big crimes
By CECILIA M. VEGA
August 20, 2006


From the O.J. Simpson case to the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh's baby, famous crimes often attract confessions from people who have nothing to do with them. snip

In 1932, more than 200 people came forward to claim a role in the highly publicized kidnapping of aviator Charles Lindbergh's son. Investigators in the O.J. Simpson case have said that a dozen people claimed to have stabbed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman to death in 1994.

The 1947 Black Dahlia murder also prompted scores of people to confess to killing 22-year-old actress Elizabeth Short, whose body was found cut in half in a vacant lot. One man reportedly paid so many visits to Los Angeles police that detectives gave him the nickname "Confessin' Tom."

One of the country's most sensational false confessions came from Texas prisoner Henry Lee Lucas. During the 1980s, he said he killed more than 600 people, including his mother and Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa who disappeared in 1975.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:42 PM
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1. I shot J.R.
:evilgrin:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:22 AM
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12. smartass!
:rofl:

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:27 AM
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13. Guilty!
I was gonna take credit for Jimmy Hoffa but the line's too long.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:43 PM
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2. This Karr guy just punked the entire M$M and got first class treatment.
Champagne and French wine on the flight. They all ate it up like pig at a shit troff. Wonder how much money will be wasted on this guy?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:44 PM
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3. Probably millions. nt
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:50 PM
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7. The msm aren't the only ones who ate it up.
Take a look around, critical thinking's never been scarcer.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:55 AM
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15. And pate', and roast duck! I couldn't believe my ears.
It's all so bizarre, really! To me, the story of the plane ride John Karr took out of Thailand captures the essential elements of this whole saga that has cast the hard news right off the front page. If Karr did seek to make spectacular headlines worldwide, he surely achieved his goal! (And it wasn't even very hard to do.)

Tabloid "journalism" at its sickening worst.

And the sheeple eat it up.... :crazy:

I'm fairly certain than anyone who can command so much media attention will get a LOT of money spent on him, and time and effort as well will be wasted. What a farce!
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:28 AM
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20. But will they consider it money "wasted". . .
when compared against the revenue they'll realize as they first hawk the sensationalism of his "surprise confession," then ponder incessantly the deeper meaning of his revealed ruse (all the while carefully avoiding any responsibility themselves for the event or the saturation coverage of it)?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:46 PM
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4. I appreciate your having a serious point rather than a one-liner.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:48 PM
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5. Your appreciation is much welcomed
Thank you, Sir.

Don
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:49 PM
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6. Oh Dear Goodness.........I thought you were joking but you have a LINK!
SHEESH! Given the bizarrness of the "anti-news" or "Enfotainment News" these days...I figured you were doing a Jon Stewart...:D...

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:59 PM
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8. when it's all said and done
It will have given John Ramsey a fabulous media blitz that points the finger away from him and his now deceased wife, Patsy.

His career, which has been at a standstill since the murder, will now have a new beginning. He'll be seen as an individual most-deserving of sympathy.




Cher
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:18 AM
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9. Interesting bit of trivia...
Henry Lee Lucas was the only man who's death penalty sentence was commuted by bush while he was Governor.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:04 AM
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16. That's because the man was a serial killer, necrophiliac and sociopath
He and Bush would be kindred spirits.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:06 AM
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24. Hi FedUpWithIt All!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:48 PM
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25. Hello, newyawker99,
Thank you.

:hi:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:19 AM
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10. RE: The Black Dahlia murder, there 's an interesting book
by Steve Hodel, "Black Dahlia Avenger" who is a professional homicide detective. He offers a very compelling case that his father, a well-known physician, Dr. George Hodel, killed Elizabeth Short. It's a fascinating read.

I never believed OJ killed Nicole and Ron. When the corrupt LAPD took OJ's blood sample out of Parker Center to the scene of the crime, they blew the opportunity for reasonable doubt.

Reading Hodel's book confirms that the LAPD have been notoriously
crooked, for decades. They dropped the ball on the Dahlia case, on purpose.

I lived in L.A. from 1969-88. I dated a guy who told me of an incident one evening in the early 80's, not two blocks from Nicole's condo in Brentwood, where he was bringing a woman home from a dinner date. They were held up, at gun point. I've always thought Ron was accosted by someone with a weapon (not OJ), Nicole heard the commotion, came out, and was dropped, too.

OKAY. Flame away.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:13 AM
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18. I read that book....fascinating story.
I think it's being turned into a movie. I wonder what took them so long?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:22 AM
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23. To me, the whole OJ thing never made sense,
just as the Robert Blake thing didn't make sense. It seemed to me more about making the celebrity pay than finding justice.

I followed the OJ case, and discussed it a couple of times with a forensics student. There were questions, at the time, that just weren't explained. (I can't remember them now, except for the blood on the back gate.) It just didn't seem logical to me. The time-line was so tight that if he had gotten behind a slow driver, he would never have made it.

And the people who made money on these cases? The prosecutors.

zalinda
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:19 AM
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11. Get Chertoff right on this.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:33 AM
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14. I was absolutely obsessed by that case.
Actually went to Rockingham and the condo and took my own pictures. They had put plants in front of the Bundy gate but I snuck up there anyway. Both late at night.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 04:13 AM
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22. Have a pic of connecting structure betw Kato's bungalow & the Main house?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 05:09 AM by tiptoe
My belief is that Kato's "Thump Thump Thumps" -- terminology, btw, introduced by Marsha Clark -- were from OJ's accomplice, chased to the side of the house, away from the driveway area by the headlights of Alan Park's early-arriving limo... shining through the gate, directly up the Rockingham driveway, for Park's assessing the feasibility of maneuvering his 11PM-due limo around TWO cars he saw parked within the gate (...one vehicle with its rear-end jutting into the driveway, as if it had first been backed into the Rockingham driveway before being moved forward into the parking space directly behind the Bentley. At trial, Judge Ito had Park's problematic, telestrator two-car testimony erased (!), since "the jury knew what the area looked like"). Park noticed no one fleeing the driveway as he peered through the gate, only that he couldn't make the driveway turn with the limo "given the way the cars were parked" and would have to opt for entrance via the Ashford gate around the corner. Meanwhile, OJ's accomplice had fled the headlighted driveway area to the safety of darkness along the side of the house. In that area of the property was an external air conditioner wall-mounting platform that the accomplice was able to grab, climb, extend a grip onto the horizontal seam-slot of the bungalow siding, and then slide himself left to the area of the enclosed walkway connecting Kato's bungalow to the main house. The height of that connecting structure was scaleable, as opposed to the high backwall of the bungalow. It was around 10:43pm when Kato heard sounds and saw a picture shake while on the phone with a GF.

I think an accomplice of OJ gained entrance to the house around that same time by way of the backyard door, unlocked (I suspect, but not confirmed in testimony) since it was the same backdoor only about an hour earlier thru which Kato followed OJ into the house...out the front kitchen door...to the driveway...and into the Bentley for their brief junket to MacDonalds. (The Bronco was not in the driveway at that time. It had already been staged outside the Rockingham gate in preparation for OJ's eventual trip to Bundy just before 9:36pm. Inside the Bronco was a flathead shovel and plastic bag [presented as evidence during trial, but blithely dismissed as pooper-scooper and tire storage bag]. OJ would eventually begin his Bundy excursion immediately upon returning Kato from MacDonalds. On a schedule, he would not even bother accompanying Kato to the same front door Kato expected to pass through again for easy access to his bungalow. At the front door, Kato would turn to see OJ still standing in the driveway, next to the Bentley, and realize he'd be trekking around the Ashford side of the house for return to his bungalow instead of via the front and back doors, as before. Kato would see OJ neither exit the Rockingham gate on foot nor depart in the Bronco parked along the curb.)

Geraldo Rivera asked Kato to demonstrate the "thumping sounds" on his midafternoon "Geraldo" show. Very curiously, what Kato demonstrated on that show was nothing resembling his televised courtroom slapping of his podium three times: "Thump, thump, thump" (as per Ms Clark's training, no doubt). On Geraldo's prompting, cameras followed Kato as he stepped to the very back of the stage...to its back wall...where he then spread-eagled his arms, pressed his body flat against the wall and proceeded to cancersans/slide himself across the stage's back wall surface. Kato had mimmicked the very actions I suspect OJ's accomplice would have made scaling the outside backwall of his bungalow! This was thoroughly different from what Kato had demonstrated in court.

So much for Marsha's "Thump, thump, thump."

Anyway, I was curious if any of your pics of Rockingham captured the connecting structure between the main house and the bungalows in back? How about the front porch area...with the benches??

Yeah, I "followed" the case as well. :eyes:
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:32 PM
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26. No I couldn't get in any of the gates
either on Rockingham or Ashford to get a look at any of the house except the front. Only the Rolls was there in the space. I did go through the neighbors driveway and walked all the way to the fence by the air conditioner. That was very thick brush and trees. It would be no easy job to get through there.

As for your theory, I am not aware of any walkway between Kato's room and the house. It was all pass throughs in the house if the door was not locked. The only walkway I have ever seen is along the side of the garage where the air conditioner was, and it was closed off a short distance from there to the back. It was all cobwebs.

To get around to the back door where the detectives went in, you would have to either go around the walkway on the Ashford side to the Katos room and Arnelle's. Or, go through the house. I'm 90% sure that was Simpson who made those noises at the air conditioner, and I have my scenarios at both Rockingham and Bundy.

It really helped me when I saw it in person.

But you are definitely right, there also was a "mystery car" there too at one point because Arnelle had gone to church and then to the movies and didn't get back until around midnight. The limo had already been there. Somebody's car was parked in her space because Park did say he saw two cars. And in the morning her car was in that space. That was missed by a lot of people.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 02:08 AM
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29. re "the back door where the detectives went in"
Just to add...

There were two conflicting testimonies about which entrance to the house was taken: the detectives' version and Arnelle Simpson's version.

Both versions could not be correct.

And it would be hard to believe that one or the other's memory was faulty.

Someone's version was a lie.

(Evidence and testimony suggest the detectives lied...and they had good reason to do so.)


















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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:10 AM
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17. Always thought the "real killer" was a golfer, considering the amount of
time OJ spends on the golf course.

:evilgrin:
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:16 AM
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19. I said that to my husband on Friday!
That'll be next!
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:52 AM
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21. You mock me
but killer bees did it with switchblades they got legally in Mexico on their way up.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:04 AM
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27. Looking for a giant prawn, champagne meal & free 1st class airline ticket?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:29 AM
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28. ttt n/t
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